Neglect or not?

[R2B2]

That was going to be my next point Ian, you beat me to it! The cameras have been on the McCanns 24/7 since she vanished - there's been absolutely no opportunity for the McCanns to do anything like that without being seen.

Another thing that doesn't add up is the McCanns supposedly hiding her body somewhere. To achieve this so successfully that police dogs and police searches were unable to find her would require intimate knowledge of the local area for the hide to be so secure. The McCanns have never been there before so they wouldn't have this knowledge, AND all this was supposed to have happened in between visits from the dinner table to the apartment. There just wasn't the time to do all this and then return to their friends at the table as if nothing had happened.

All these things they are supposed to have done are way way too inconsistent with real time frame possibilities.

If the PJ haven't thought of these things, especially somebody else hiring the same car, then they really are incompetent.

 

[Samster]

Yes there is a chance that they've innocently gone and hired the same car that was used in moving Maddy's body, it's a small chance, but then again it's a small resort with probably one predominant hire car company..........it's feasible.

I'm hearing that phones and email accounts were tapped by the Portuguese police some time ago, not just out there but at home also. To tap calls in the UK would have had to have involved the Home Office........hmmmmm interesting. If they've got something from these, as well as what's looking like forensic evidence that you can't really argue with, a FULL DNA match, then surely it's all over.

Why did Kate wash the cuddle cat thing? If you thought you were never going to see your daughter again you wouldn't wash her favourite toy would you? I'd keep hold of it no matter how filthy it became...............

 

[Big Phil]

When it was discovered that Maddie was missing MRS McCann returned to the restaurant to tell her friends!!! Would you leave the appartment with the other two children alone, knowing that the eldest had been abducted?

When she got to the restaurant - she said 'They've taken her!'

Why would she say that? You would be hysterical and saying 'she's missing!!@ or @maddie is gone!!' of something like that.

There are other wierd things too - they went for a jog on the beach a couple of days after she went missing?? Er why would you do that?

And what about the birthday party? How wierd was that? Why would you have a party for your missing child?

There are some really strange things in this case. I think that some of the latest developments might be the Portuguese police trying to close the case and are desperate.

I can't help but thinking they are a lot more involved than they are saying h1d1ng2

 

[Nixy]

It would'nt surprise me if the ex pat Brit Robert Morat comes back into the frame.The Mcanns got him to hide the body for them because im sure that someone living in an area for a number of years like him would know of suitable out of the way places rather than someone who has only been in the resort for two weeks.

I hope im wrong and Maddie is safe somewhere..

 

[XXscraper]

I love all this speculation, no i do i think its quite interesting as we are all [myself included] quite convinced the parents have something to do with it when really we know nothing :dunno:

Ive just read the PJ are now not so convinced with the DNA evidence so this case is going to twist and turn some more me thinks!

Maybe they didnt do it now....oh crap i feel guilty h1d1ng2

 

[XXscraper]

When she got to the restaurant - she said 'They've taken her!'

Why would she say that? You would be hysterical and saying 'she's missing!!@ or @maddie is gone!!' of something like that.

***** I wouldnt read too much into this as in the heat of the moment we have all said some strange things.......i know i have......it was probably the first thing that came to her mind *****

There are other wierd things too - they went for a jog on the beach a couple of days after she went missing?? Er why would you do that?

***** again, i'm being very forgiving here but if they ran much back home its a good way to stress relief and help clear the mind so why not go for a run - i do understand why it looks odd tho' and they have done a lot of odd things granted but maybe if your child had gone missing you would do some strange things too! Again just a thought bl4hbl4h *****

And what about the birthday party? How wierd was that? Why would you have a party for your missing child?

***** didnt hear about that but sounds odd hey ho no change there for the Mc Canns *****

There are some really strange things in this case. I think that some of the latest developments might be the Portuguese police trying to close the case and are desperate.

I can't help but thinking they are a lot more involved than they are saying h1d1ng2

Sorry about the way i have edited your quote but i couldnt be arsed to pick it appart like some peeps do

 

[ianrobbo1]

how about this for a thought, perhaps the McCanns were involved with drug lords or something similar,* and upset them in some way, resulting in the "drug barons" kidnapping the youngest as a "lever" to use on the parents, fully expecting them to roll over and do as they were told, the McCanns call their bluff and go "public" expecting the drug barons to roll over as well, only they too don't budge!! so we have the McCanns acting "suspiciously" in that they know what is really going on, and are now unable to conclude their "other" business with the Kidnappers because of all the publicity, :dunno: the kidnappers cant or wont do anything either as it has now become a matter of principal and a lesson to others in a similar position in future!! :dunno:

laugh or whatever, but it's no dafter a theory than any other being banded about, :dunno:


* they are doctors as well as Scousers h1d1ng2 so will have access to drugs, and maybe a network of importers etc!! :dunno:



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at the end of the day, I just hope the little girl is ok and gets home safely!! :dunno:

 

[R2B2]

Me too, but why is everybody talking about her as being dead? When was it revealed she was dead? :dunno: I know after all this time things are not looking good for her, but until a body is found I resolutely refuse to believe she is dead.

Ian... you need to pack in with coke-cola and start writing books. You have the imagination for it mate - you'll make bundles

The BBC were saying this morning that there was no direct DNA match and the PJ were playing down the reports from last night :dunno:

 

[Samster]

I've heard today that it's an 88% DNA match to body fluids. Don't siblings share 75%? This match has come from the recess in the boot where the spare wheel 'would' be kept........... does this imply that the spare was not there.

What is strange is that the reports on Sky were saying that police have foudn 'so much' of Madeleine's hair that it couldn't have transferred from clothing or as blanket and must have come directly from a body.

The public prosecutor has now instructed the case to go before a judge. The Portuguese seem pretty confident with what they've got here.............

LOL - I like Ian's theory - it's fresh, and I've heard of crazier things!

 

[mikew]

The timings and stuff assume that Maddy was still in the apartment at the time they said she was. Maybe, just maybe, she was already missing hours before?

A very valid point there Herr Lumpmeister.

Lickle girl could have been missing/dead for days and that would have given all the guilty parties involved time to get a story and plan together, possibly explaining the apparent lack of emotion from the parents, i.e. they had already done their "grieving".

 

[R2B2]

Looking at probabilities, and

bearing in mind the syringe and sedatives story was a fabrication by one of the Portuguese papers.....

.... realistically, how would somebody "accidentally" kill their own child? What sort of scenario would result in an accidental death in a children's bedroom?

Can anyone think of a realistic one?

I can't :dunno: :dunno:

 

[R2B2]

Lickle girl could have been missing/dead for days

Didn't one of the friends check on the McCann kids while checking on his own an hour or so earlier?

 

[mikew]

Didn't one of the friends check on the McCann kids while checking on his own an hour or so earlier?

Dunno, but if said friend was "in on it" then that could simply be a fabrication to suport the "abduction" theory.

I'm keeping an open mind about what has happened, I just hope that if the child is dead, that it was quick and painless, and not at the hands of some twisted freak who would take pleasure out of torturing a child.

 

[roXXo]

Didn't one of the friends check on the McCann kids while checking on his own an hour or so earlier?

As I understand it Rob, the only people to have checked on the children were the McCanns themselves. Individually.
Apparently one of the friends went to check on the kids with one of the McCanns but did not actually go into the bedroom and never "saw" them. Was Maddie already dead? Accidentally or at the hands of the parents.

Strange reaction of the parents.
Strange reaction of the twins. Slept through everything!
Strange reaction of the police. Crime scene not secured!

Curiouser and curiouser said Alice.

 

[SILVERONE]

The timings and stuff assume that Maddy was still in the apartment at the time they said she was. Maybe, just maybe, she was already missing hours before?

'Shit' think that is a good point and take it a stage further: as to getting shut of a small body just put it in a pram (if anyone stops you 'she's a'sleep) then come back with pram with blackets shaped like small body? :dunno:

'Bugger' now I've been drawn into this thread 'I promised my'self I keep out of it' :bang:

 

[R2B2]

Apparently one of the friends went to check on the kids with one of the McCanns but did not actually go into the bedroom and never "saw" them.

Right... I didn't know that. My mistake.

Curiouser and curiouser said Alice.

Agreed! I keep turning this thing over and over in my head and still the suggestion that the McCanns did it just doesn't make sense to me.

Logic suggests that the PJ have little or no evidence against the McCanns. Why else would they agree to them leaving the country if they were only days away from arresting them?

If the McCanns are supposedly involved in her disappearance, why would they remain at the crime scene? People who have just committed a serious crime tend to vanish and put as much distance as possible between themselves and the crime scene. History says this is what people do.

Another thing I find so odd, and I really can't get my head around this one, and that is the belief by so many people [including quite a few here!] that the friends of the McCanns [and even Robert Murat] were so willing to help them with the disposal or hiding of a dead child's body Why on earth would a friend want to do that? Frankly, it's such an unrealistic prospect that a friend would help like this, it's absurd. :dunno:

I know somebody will probably come back and say the friend was probably in on it from the start but it comes back to the same question... why would anybody want to help? Would any sane person take on that responsibility?

Another thing that stands out is if they were wanting to be rid of their daughter for some reason then surely they would do it in the middle of the night somewhere secluded and quiet where they wouldn't be seen.... not in the middle of a holiday resort while there with eight close friends, at a time when potential witnesses are around. These people are doctors, they are not stupid, why would they do it in such high risk circumstances?

I'm just trying to make sense of some of these theories..... and none of them do!

I still think they didn't have anything to do with it, 99.9%......... but I'll keep the oven warm in case I have to bake that pie a bit quick!

 

[Samster]

Hey Rob - you'd better pre-heat that oven.............. only joking mate, I sincerely hope you don't have to locate the pie dish

Something I noticed last night, Gerry keeps saying the same thing now over and over.............."we played no part in Maaaadeleine's abduction". Now he can of course say that with utter conviction because it's true.............it's becoming clear to most that she wasn't abducted at all!

Who had that hire car around May 3rd?

Did you know that the first reported sighting of Madeleine (was it a fuel station in Morocco?) was made by a woman who now turns out to be a friend of Gerry McScamm's brother! Coincidence? For crying out loud, this was a pre-arranged hoax sighting to send people the wrong way and put them off of the scent..............

If I were in charge of this I would have got that Dr O'Brien in a room and grilled him for hours until he cracked. He's the character who was missing for most of the meal because apparently his own child was being sick in their own apartment............... yet he returned to the Tapas bar late and their was no request made for any clean bedding etc........................ Oh and hang on, who's his wife?..............ahhhhhhhhhh yes, the only witness to see a man carrying 'what could be' a body away from the apartments.

I can feel my refund from the fund coming............. this is about to blow wide open.

 

[R2B2]

Pretty damning evidence if it were all true Sam, but where is this stuff coming from? There's little or nothing coming from the PJ so anything else has got to be very suspect.

Did you know Sky's man in Portimao, who is standing outside the door of the justice building trying to get information, has said this morning that the clumps of hair story is looking very much like another newspaper fabrication? I think everybody fell for that one.

Such is the pitch of this story now, people will believe anything without a fleeting thought of where "new" info originates. If someone said Gary Glitter made a secret record to raise funds to do a deal with his guard so he could nip over and kidnap her... then there would be a section of the scandal hungry and hysterical public that would believe it.

That's how silly this has got.





Oven still on but in energy saving mode. Mixing bowl now out of the cupboard!

 

[Samster]

Not as silly as if Renault were cashing in on the story........... they could do a special edition people carrier, the Renault McCann

Have given up taking this story seriously now......... I'm off on holiday so won't be following the news for a week.

Catch you all in a few days....................

 

[R2B2]

Have a good hols Sam.

I'll keep an eye on it for ya!