Neglect or not?

[R2B2]

Rob, as a parent of two girls I have a good idea of how I'd react should anything happen to either of them

I'm sure you would Derek..... but that's you, not the McCanns!

You're expecting to see the McCanns react how you think you would...... and maybe they are reacting like you would, but the point I was trying to make was we simply don't know how they're reacting because the odd few seconds we see them on the news represents a tiny fraction of their day, but you think that's how they are all day every day!!

Seems to be a very narrow and blinkered view to me :dunno: :dunno:

Because they are keeping out of the public glare doesn't mean they aren't suffering?

 

[Duck n Dive]

Derek, in the babysitting example you give social services would not leave the kid in foster care until a court case...... it is, however, fairly common for them to place kids into brief one/two/three days of "emergency" foster care for what you mention ... they then move heaven & earth to get the kid back with mum..... going to court would normally disrupt/prevent that process so they don't go to court for (forgive the phrase) "simple neglect".


Kids put into foster care until a court case are normally where there are more permanent ongoing issues and where there is significant evidence of risk or the parent(s) have a total inability to proved basic care (often due to /drinkdrugs etc). Even then they'll spend years trying to sort out the parents so they can return the kid before they throw in the towel and go to court for permanent fostering/adoption.

As a local govt. agency social services have to make the finite cash they have stretch to cover everything .... foster care is expensive, care homes more so (and more damaging to the kids) and adoption seems to be the last recourse.... adoption is the only one that "requires" going to court .... in all the other cases court is only required in the parent(s) are fighting social services suggestions..... if the parent make the right noises the kids go back, again & again & again & again & again & again ..... and it's the poor kids who suffer!!

 

[derek kelly]

Because they are keeping out of the public glare doesn't mean they aren't suffering?

Keeping out of the public glare? they are on tv more than Dale Winton

 

[Smix]

they are BBC News 24 tonight - full interview being shown any minute I think

 

[R2B2]

From about the third day in I've always thought she could well be in North Africa. I used to work in one of the northern African countries and and have heard for myself about this fascination for blonde people that predominates there.

I think these folk are on the right track focusing on this possibility. Something the embarrassingly incompetent Portuguese police should have done months ago..... shame on them.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1291231,00.html

 

[Barrie]

Rob, as a parent of two girls I have a good idea of how I'd react should anything happen to either of them even now they have past their mid twenties, I also know that during their childhood if a trusted family member could not baby sit then we didn't go out, these so called educated people have let their children down badly & as has already been said if they were a council estate family then the chances are they would already be behind bars or the very least their other children taken from them.

Bloody hell Derek, I agree with you again.

 

[R2B2]

Things are looking up....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1297006,00.html

 

[Gforceuk]

lol , sorry rob , dont beleive it for a minute . If he knew who it was and she was still alive then he wouldnt be blowing all this hot air ... she'd be back by now.

 

[R2B2]

They know who killed Rhys Jones too.

It's a question of them having it all right before they make a move surely? If she is where they think she is they only have one chance to get it right.

 

[Gforceuk]

They know who killed Rhys Jones too.

It's a question of them having it all right before they make a move surely? If she is where they think she is they only have one chance to get it right.

and they wouldnt have given any hints to anyone especially the press , not really got the element of suprise now have they

 

[R2B2]

At friggin last!

At last that shameful bunch of incompetent jerks that masquerade as Police, the PJ, are finally going to admit they got it wrong.

On Lisbon's radio Renascenca tomorrow (sun 3rd Feb) the director of the PJ, Alipio Ribeiro, will concede they were too hasty in classifying the McCanns as Arguidos.

Legal moves can then be made to have the status lifted and, presumably along with it, the restrictions placed on the case in general that have so impeded the flow of information.

I sincerely hope someone in the PJ will be held accountable for this mess but judging by their past professionalism that has to remain doubtful.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/ns/news/detail/?id=34




Cue Gforce!!.........

 

[Demonbane]

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/resourcesforprofessionals/Statistics/KeyCPStats/15_wda48733.html


There were 59 cases in 2002/2003 in England and Wales involving a stranger 'successfully' abducting a child or children, resulting in 68 victims (9% of all recorded child abductions). There were 361 cases of 'attempted' child abductions by strangers, resulting in 377 victims (47% of all recorded child abductions).

so how many of those made the news.






what gets me is all the publicity around ONE abduction by the press

no one gives a rats arse about the rest
how many have been abducted SINCE she went missing that have had ZERO publicity, no " funds" no sympathy no nuffin


my 2p

 

[R2B2]

no one gives a rats arse about the rest

Really? I don't think anybody would agree with you there. What a strange thing to say :dunno: :dunno:

 

[Demonbane]

Really? I don't think anybody would agree with you there. What a strange thing to say :dunno: :dunno:

where is there news coverage?

where is there trust fund?

361 cases .. over one a day

when was the last time you saw another abduction making such headlines?

its all media hype and headline stuff. its all to do with selling papers and not about wether she is returned to her parents.

when she is returned or otherwise, the media will be offering millions for the rights to tell there story.

 

[R2B2]

Hey, I wasn't commenting on the rights or wrongs of news coverage, or stats, I was referring to your odd line about nobody giving a rats about the others, which I'm sure most people would not agree with.

However, the stats on the NSPCC website are a bit misleading in as much as they quote all reported cases, but a large proportion of those cases refer to incidents of parental dispute where one parent may deny access to another and do a runner - such cases are still recorded as attempted abductions although the child is not missing as such.

 

[R2B2]

Time to re-gauge opinion?

So much has now happened....... some facts to date:

- Goncalo Amaral - the PJ Chief sacked from Maddie case and charged with omission of evidence and falsifying documents in the Joana Cipriano case - desperately tries to save face by launching a book that is full of the same time wasting and speculative accusations that got him removed from the case in the first place.

- Fernando Monteiro, of the Portuguese Prosecutors Department, has said that the only correct course of action was to drop the cases(s) against Robert Murat and the McCanns as the PJ were unable to produce any credible evidence linking them with Madeleine's disappearance.

- Almeida Rodrigues, National Director of the PJ, says that the Police process has been archived but the the case remains open and any new leads or evidence will be immediately investigated. This will be ongoing until the case reaches a finite conclusion.

- Robert Murat and two others awarded libel damages of ?600,000 from four newspaper groups who all admitted in court to fabricating evidence that they were involved in Maddie's disappearance.

- McCanns awarded ?550,000 against Express Newspapers who admitted their allegations against them were untrue.

- The 7 friends on holiday with the McCanns receive ?375,000 damages from Express Newspapers after they admitted in court that they wholly fabricated allegations that the friends covered for the McCanns and misled the police investigation.


So now that the influence of the papers has been exposed for what it was, do the doubters still feel the same way as before..?

Does everybody still think they "done it"?

Be honest and tell us if you still feel the same..... or you've changed your mind.

Has the hate campaign been killed off by all this?

Personally, I haven't met a single individual in ages who still thinks the McCanns are in any way connected.

There's still no body. Could she still be alive?

 

[derek kelly]

They are definitely guilty of child neglect.
They were hard faced enough to leave their other two children & go touring the World supposedly to raise the profile of the case & find Maddie [like the pope had the power to bring Maddie back] as I've said before if one of my kids had disappeared I would never let the other out of my sight.
Yes evidence was fabricated but I have known of cases in this country where Police have fabricated evidence because they have known that the alleged offender was guilty but didn't have the proof, I am not saying it's right but I can understand the reasoning behind it.
Yes I still think they are somehow connected to Maddies disappearance

 

[R2B2]

Err Derek.... I think you've skimmed over my post again mate. I was on about the effect on public opinion caused by the PAPERS fabricating stuff to fuel the hate campaign..... oh, never mind c7u8 c7u8

 

[Barrie]

I'm with Derek on this one Rob. If they were not directly involved in Maddie's disappearance they were certainly guilty on gross neglect.

 

[derek kelly]

So now that the influence of the papers has been exposed for what it was, do the doubters still feel the same way as before..?

Yes

Does everybody still think they "done it"?

Yes

Be honest and tell us if you still feel the same..... or you've changed your mind."

Yes, No

Has the hate campaign been killed off by all this?.

Possibly

Personally, I haven't met a single individual in ages who still thinks the McCanns are in any way connected.

Have you actually spoken to anyone cos most people I know still have the same opinions

There's still no body. Could she still be alive?

Doubt it.


That clear enough for you Rob? :-0)