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Neglect or not?

Samster

chamon motherf*cker
"A corpse WAS in that hire car"................

The Evening Standard and London Lite are both carrying the same front page headline this evening.............apparently authorities have proved a corpse was in the hire car, and are awaiting tests on bodily fluids that they believe to be Madeleine's.

"I'm being persecuted because of my looks", says Kate McCann.............oh FFS........here we go...........she actually said that if she was heavier and had bigger boobs then people would be treating her with more sympathy! The quote came from her mother Susan Healy.

What a selfish cow.......... the arrogance astounds me, your being persecuted because you are an unfit mother! These pair are a sorry excuse for parents.
 
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derek kelly

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R2B2 said:
Bit of a knock-back for quite a few of the conspirators and hate campaigners....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1289143,00.html


Not really Rob the sedation theory was just one of many possibilities & even then do we know at what point the samples were taken? the sedation theory came about quite a while after the disappearance so it is possible that any drugs will have had time to leave the system, I still believe that one or both of the parents know more than they are letting on, but whatever happens I hope the truth comes out in the end because if they are guilty then they need to be punished, & if they are innocent then they need to be vindicated
 
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XXscraper

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Samster said:
What a selfish cow.......... the arrogance astounds me, your being persecuted because you are an unfit mother! These pair are a sorry excuse for parents.

I know m8 i dont know where this shit comes from and now she wants to quit being a doctor and move into child welfare WTF is she thinking with her reputation :eek:

I'm sure those kids were sedated as when it all first happened someone said that the twins were picked up after Maddie was gone and they never woke. In an interview when asked about sedatives Gerry denied it and immediately scratched his ear - a big tell of lying or wrong doing!
 
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R2B2

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XXscraper said:
I'm sure those kids were sedated as when it all first happened someone said that the twins were picked up after Maddie was gone and they never woke.
I thought it was quite normal for sleeping kids not to wake when being picked up :dunno: I've seen it myself countless number of times over the years.

I witnessed my next door neighbours do exactly that yesterday afternoon when they returned from a visit to the kids grandparents. I was outside talking to them both as they unstrapped their sleeping kiddies from their booster seats in the car and carry them both indoors - neither of them woke despite a couple of teenagers screaming by on noisy scooters at the time.

They'd probably drugged 'em, eh? :rolleyes:
 
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XXscraper

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R2B2 said:
They'd probably drugged 'em, eh? :rolleyes:

I dunno, you'll have to ask your neighbours :dunno:

It's gerry's reaction when asked about sedatives that makes them look like they are lying!

Maybe kids can sleep through noise and being picked up but if they were sedated then they are even more likely to do so! If maddie was out cold then it would explain why no one heard her scream if she was taken!

If you were going to leave your kids under the same circumstances would all three be able to go off to sleep while you were getting ready to go out and leave them on there own. Once out you would you want them to sleep the whole time, as if they woke unattended they might become scared and start crying and that might wake the others! So if they were sedated would it be the best way to get them off to sleep and keep them that way?

I personally dont know the answers to these questions as i dont have kids which probably shows in my ignorance of their sleeping abilities but this whole thing stinks of something very rotten!
 

Duck n Dive

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Were now up to 11 pages of this ..................

Is it not fairly straight forward:

1. The kid is missing.:cry:
2. We don't if the kid is dead or alive.:cry:
3. The parents may be responsible...
4. Someone else may be reponsible.
5. Only the parents know for certain what their actions were.
6. The initial investigation appears to have been bungled.
7. The press like to publish speculation to keep the story going.


All the rest is just uninformed speculation by the uninformed..............



As for some of the most recent posts ... ye gods we really do have some armchair experts of physcological interpretation don't we :bang:


I read one post, scratched my ear, realised what I'd done and promptly ran round to the local nick to give myself up for something or other.........
 
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XXscraper

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Duck n Dive said:
Were now up to 11 pages of this ..................

Is it not fairly straight forward:

1. The kid is missing.:cry:
2. We don't if the kid is dead or alive.:cry:
3. The parents may be responsible...
4. Someone else may be reponsible.
5. Only the parents know for certain what their actions were.
6. The initial investigation appears to have been bungled.
7. The press like to publish speculation to keep the story going.


All the rest is just uninformed speculation by the uninformed..............



As for some of the most recent posts ... ye gods we really do have some armchair experts of physcological interpretation don't we :bang:


I read one post, scratched my ear, realised what I'd done and promptly ran round to the local nick to give myself up for something or other.........

This is a free speech forum isnt it or am i mistaken :dunno:

I never said i was an expert but the ear scratching thing is a well known tell and i take an interest in that sort of thing but it looks like you know nothing
:tosser:
 

Samster

chamon motherf*cker
Just been up the juicer for some lunch and read in the tabloids that Kate McCann is planning a career in Child Welfare. I nearly choked.

Anyway, the question I posed when starting this thread was quite simply, "was it child neglect or not". I doubt there's anybody on here that could put forward a good argument to say that leaving your children in this manner wasn't paramount to neglect. So why are they not being charged with it?

You would be, I would be.
 
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XXscraper

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I know Samster, i posted this after reading the same story - I know m8 i dont know where this shit comes from and now she wants to quit being a doctor and move into child welfare WTF is she thinking with her reputation :eek:

I kind of agree about them being charged with neglect but i guess [if i am allowed to do so :bang: ] because of the cases high profile they are too 'scared'
also shouldnt the twins have been taken into care if they were deemed at risk? Maybe social services dont want to appear heartless in this case which is a bit unfair on all the other people who have been done for similar cases!
 
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Jen Ataylia

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Duck n Dive said:
Were now up to 11 pages of this ..................

Is it not fairly straight forward:

1. The kid is missing.:cry:
2. We don't if the kid is dead or alive.:cry:
3. The parents may be responsible...
4. Someone else may be reponsible.
5. Only the parents know for certain what their actions were.
6. The initial investigation appears to have been bungled.
7. The press like to publish speculation to keep the story going.


All the rest is just uninformed speculation by the uninformed..............
Well said DnD. The thing we have to rememeber is that a lot of information is retained and not released to the public and some of the stuff that was released could have put the childs life in danger (i.e the eye condition for example). But the way I read it, the parents were made official suspects purely so that the police were ALLOWED to ask them particular questions and take POSSESSION of certain items, i.e diary and a laptop. Surely those parents would have answered ANY question in the hunt for her, they would have handed all their worldy goods over for analysis willingly so why else make them suspects?
 

Samster

chamon motherf*cker
If my daughter was still missing I wouldn't be spending ?35,000 per month from a fund that had been set up to help find her with an 'image consultant' to rebuild my image.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.
 

derek kelly

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Samster said:
If my daughter was still missing I wouldn't be spending ?35,000 per month from a fund that had been set up to help find her with an 'image consultant' to rebuild my image.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.



Nor I doubt would you have left the other children while you went off meeting the Pope, whether this couple are the abductors/murderers etc or not I don't think anybody can say they are ideal parents, they are cold, emotionless, & seem to be all about promoting self image rather than concentrating on what is important.
 
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R2B2

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derek kelly said:
I don't think anybody can say they are ideal parents, they are cold, emotionless, & seem to be all about promoting self image rather than concentrating on what is important.
Fooking 'eck Derek! Harsh words given what little is known about what these people are like away from the public glare..... or what they're concentrating on during the other 23 hours 59 minutes and 40 seconds of each day that they're not featured on the tv news :dunno:

Have these brief tv news clip appearances or carefully selected newspaper pictures really revealed this much information about them..... or are you privileged to inside info the rest of us haven't seen?

I'm intrigued as to where you're getting yer info from mate?

Seriously, what do we actually know about these people other than what the tide of hate is suggesting. Think about it - they are unable to defend themselves because of the constraints placed on them, so the epidemic of speculation is allowed to run riot.

What the hell does anybody know about how cold or emotionless they are? Very little I would contend.
 

derek kelly

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Rob, as a parent of two girls I have a good idea of how I'd react should anything happen to either of them even now they have past their mid twenties, I also know that during their childhood if a trusted family member could not baby sit then we didn't go out, these so called educated people have let their children down badly & as has already been said if they were a council estate family then the chances are they would already be behind bars or the very least their other children taken from them.
 

Duck n Dive

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Derek, unfortunately social services do not jump in to grab kids in the way that's publicised in the tabloids.


Apart from the odd case that gets reported in the tabloids in the main things have to be very, very, very desperate before they actually remove the kids.... well beyond what I suspect you & I would consider desperate........
My own view is that despite all the nice words, finances push the decision process .... it's cheaper to leave the kids with the parents that take them inot care........
 

derek kelly

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Not always the case Gerry, a friend of mine fosters children & he is called on at all times of day & night, most of the cases are horrendous but sometimes it is a case of single mum in her teens or early twenties decides to have a night out, cannot get a baby sitter & doesn't want to let her friends down so she settles the baby for the night then goes out, when she returns a neighbour has called the police & the child is fostered out until the court case, in many cases this goes on for several months without actually reaching court when the SS come up with a plan that will help the mother with her child, my friend has had these mothers banging on his door sobbing desperate to see their child fearing that they are going to lose them for good.
So what is the difference between the single mother leaving her child for a night out & what the McCanns did?
 
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