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Mis-firing???

petrosc

petrosc

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silverfox.xx said:
Barometric sensor, but I guess Taff's talked that one through. By all accounts it'll cost more to repair than replace via Taff. Note that if you do get it repaired it may still not work, and the eprom memory will only retain the key chips code for about 18 months so would need fitting to a bike on a annual basis to allow you to keep it as a spare.

Me' if the replacement works, chuck the old one.
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Thanks for that mate, both of you are saying exactly the same thing. I suppose I will ask Taff if he wants it and if he does I will send it him.

What about the HISS side of things. Would the 2nd hand one work ok?
How does HISS work anyway? What about the key chips code?

Regards
 
silverfox.xx

silverfox.xx

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Key chip codes are logged in the ecm. Taffy will probably supply with ecm. To test once replacement ecm fitted wrap your key top in foil and tape new chips to allow hiss to work. Once you confirm ecm is to be replaced remove key cover and old chips..replace with one meatching new ecm. Ecm hiss will only work with logged chip codes..
 
petrosc

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Jesus, what an event.......

I am learning. Thanks mate. I suppose that when you do that, thats it for the life of the new unit? I mean secod hand new unit. lol

What is supposently the life span of these units? Or do they just go at any time?
Does it have anything to do with the fact that I never even started the bike up for seven months?

I am only asking because I want to fnd out if it was me that did this. I dont want a repeat....and I just hope that the problem i sorted out soon.

Regards
 
silverfox.xx

silverfox.xx

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Normally the ecm and key chip memory would not pose a problem in 12 months. If your eprom memory failed hiss would prevent you starting bike. Ecm generally are trouble free. Early injection 99/00 used first ecm which can give problems. Problems generally sorted after first ecm. I believe south Africa got a bigger failure rate..
Hiss. In brief. The pick up hiss around the ignition swith detects the key chip. If the correct chip is detected by the ecm it allows engine start. Hence key chip and ecm are matched.
 
petrosc

petrosc

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Learnig, learning, learning

thanks for all the info

one thing thou, Did I cause these problems?

Does it have anything to do with the fact that I never even started the bike up for seven months?
 
silverfox.xx

silverfox.xx

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petrosc said:
one thing thou, Did I cause these problems?

Does it have anything to do with the fact that I never even started the bike up for seven months?
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No

and

Shouldn't be a problem.

I'm still wondering if its ECM. A component 'shouldn't' fail through not being used... however fuel quality will, gumming up of fuel system will... an electrical 'wire' connection could acquire a dry joint... but as you have an ECM on its way I'd be very interested if the original has failed.

Generally even if the ECM fails 'partly' you would/should get a fault code logged in even if its not that part thats at fault, just that the ECM has failed at that part of its diagnostic check. NOT BIRD but later ECM/ECU have self diagnostics that allow the ECM/ECU to diagnose itself... the BIRD ECM is of an early design without such a facility.

Lets face it we'd all probably still be on carbs still if it wasn't for emission regulations requiring a cleaner burn..
 
petrosc

petrosc

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So really, you dont believe that the ECM is at fault here. I was hoping that the new one coming was going to sort the problems out...., at least the rich burning "mis-firing"
type problems that I have been getting.

I am still getting the bike fired up by "hot-wiring it" Jaws said something about the alarm. I have a datatool alarm on the bike (bought it like that) and never had a problem with it. John said that it might have gone wrong and should disconnect it. But, you should not just disconnect it and that there is a way of doing this.....only he did not tell me the way. Do you know how I could disconnect the alarm?

Basically the starter button does not do anything when you press it. Could it be the button itself? Could it be the alarm? Whats your opinion mate.

Regards
Peter
 
mickeystitch

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My opinion for what it is worth would be take the alarm off and put bike back to standard and take it from there :dunno:
 
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You will probably find that they cut into the wires leading to the ecm. Easiest way to disconnect a alarm is to find the unit(alarm) and trace the wires into the loom by cutting the black tape off and exposing the wires till you find where the alarm wire joins into the harness.
 
mickeystitch

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But if you have any doubts get somebody that knows what they are doing to help you :-0)
 
petrosc

petrosc

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Prob

mickeystitch said:
But if you have any doubts get somebody that knows what they are doing to help you :-0)
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Aha, the biggest problem down here is trusting the one that sais "he knows"..

They want the business, the problem is that they want to learn on your bike. LOL (having said that, I met plenty of the same in the UK in the 35 years I lived there)

I just want to ride my bike
 
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silverfox.xx

silverfox.xx

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Alarm removal first. Find a wiring diagram for the alarm, disconnection would entail re-joining some of the bikes wires that have been cut to allow the alarm to be fitted 'in circuit'.

Remember that an alarm not only makes a noise it inhibits the ability to start the bike. so somewhere it'll be spliced into the 'start' circuit of the bike.

Installation diagram first.

Once the alarm has been removed you can then if you still have the problem trace the 'start' circuit.
 
petrosc

petrosc

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alaaaarm

silverfox.xx; Remember that an alarm not only makes a noise it inhibits the ability to start the bike. so somewhere it'll be spliced into the 'start' circuit of the bike. Installation diagram first. Once the alarm has been removed you can then if you still have the problem trace the 'start' circuit.[/QUOTE said:
First of all thank you for giving me your time and expert advice. It is much appreciated.

Alarm
You mean, it incorporates an immobiliser....and that it could be the starting problem. OK
So there is a procedure for removing the alarm off the bike.
INSTALLATION DIAGRAM??? for a datatool alarm?? Where can I find one?

Should I look at the starter button/circuit first? The truth is that I would like to keep the alarm if the problem is with something else.
How many people have had problems with their alarm preventing them from starting the bike? What do you think?
Regards
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petrosc

petrosc

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Good god, I was hoping you were dead by now

FAT BERT always an excellent contribution to solving any problems

FOOKING WANKER

What the hell are you doing in this section you morron?

The first comment you made, you were ignored, didn't that tell you something?
 
petrosc

petrosc

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Hi mate

The problem is that I am a Mech Eng and electrics seem to be my only problems lately lol.

I have the installation procedure of the alarm now and I will follow it (reversed) as much as I can......lol

The ECM/U has arrived this morning as well, so expect some posting with hopefuly the statement that problems have gone!!!!!!

LOL
 
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