Foxhunting-thanks Ritchie for the idea

[roXXo]

Don't get pissed off Bubba.
Of course there are more important issues than fox hunting. People in this country are not more concerned with fox hunting than wars and disasters.
Iraq or any other issue has nothing to do with this thread of fox hunting.

Cruelty is only perceived by humans. Any predetory animal will kill prey. Be it one on one or groups onto one. The point is that humans should not endeavour to carry out acts of cruelty. Millions of animals are killed all over the world by other animals. In my opinion Man should not be killing animals for sport.

What's wrong with drag hunting?

Farmers with guns who cannot shoot for toffee should not have guns. If they "need" a gun, they should get training and have to be up to a standard. I am a bit worried now. Next time I'm out with the dog and hear a farmer shooting, he might be one who can't shoot for toffee and hit me. Or anybody else. Mmm.
Poisoning is indescriminate, wrong and illegal. Rats in domestic and commercial situations excepted. Rats pose a real health danger.

I personally see nothing wrong with shooting pheasant or deer if you are going to eat them. I don't think they should be killed for sport.

I am sure your uncle who is a game keeper is not a cruel man. He will raise pheasant chicks etc just to be shot. I personally don't have a problem with that if the pheasants are eaten but if the shot birds are just dumped then I believe that is wrong.

As with any husbanded animals, if they are treated well, respected and have a "decent" life before they are killed for eating, that is not a problem for me.
To kill for the sake of killing i.e. sport is a different matter.

Debate is healthy. I am sure we all have some definite black and white areas and likewise many shades of grey. Debate will very often move the grey around and sometimes may just alter the black and white.

Don't get pissed off Bubba. Get pissed.
:beer:

 

[roXXo]

Neither. Till we get a gov'mint thats worth a vote, then I'll start voting.

So none of the parties have anything in their manifestos that you think is worth voting for?
Are there no issues that you think are worth trying to promote?
If not in national or global matters. Is there nothing that affects you or your family that you would like to stop or improve.
A I've said in numerous other posts, you can change things.

Anyway
Back to fox hunting.
What's wrong with drag hunting.

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[osprey03]

the sight of a load of middle class wanabes prancing about the countryside dressed like Butlins SS officers makes me sick.

Well, I think answers the question - envy !!
What about all the stable hands/kennel people - ban hunting and put them all on the dole

 

[Wolfie]

What's wrong with drag hunting.

nothing.


except they will not get there blood and there is no chance of getting any either.

no fox tails to pin up, no head to pin up bit boring really aint it????

 

[Wolfie]

Well, I think answers the question - envy

fuck yeah i really want to look like

middle class wanabes prancing about the countryside dressed like Butlins SS officers

 

[roXXo]

Nonsense.

Drag hunting.

 

[roXXo]

nothing.


except they will not get there blood and there is no chance of getting any either.

no fox tails to pin up, no head to pin up bit boring really aint it????

You're not supposed to answer Wolife.
I want a pro hunter to answer. Doh!
:beer:

 

[roXXo]

Following on from Ritchies comment about banning smoking in pubs(see below) ...So why are our myopic and city-loving government banning foxhunting? Putting peoples jobs at risk in favour of a furry pest? Banning hundreds of years of tradition coz they dont like the scary countryside? Lets have your views and I will try to keep order in the house m'lud. You can probably guess which side of the fence I am on!

http://www.bikersoracle.com/blackbird/forum/showpost.php?p=161798&postcount=19
g0551p

Not myopic or city loving.
The Government (us, the tax payer) put a lot into the countryside with subsidies.

The Government (Voted in by us) are banning foxhunting because we (the majority)want it banning because in our opinion it is wrong.
Peoples jobs are not at risk. Drag hunting is a wonderful alternative.

Tradition, scary countryside.
Nonsense

Kev.
You have seen the views. I think the majority of posts have been anti fox hunting.
Have you any reasoned reply?
What reasons do you have for staying on the other side of the fence?
:beer:

 

[D.S.]

Following on from Ritchies comment about banning smoking in pubs(see below) ...So why are our myopic and city-loving government banning foxhunting? Putting peoples jobs at risk in favour of a furry pest? Banning hundreds of years of tradition coz they dont like the scary countryside? Lets have your views and I will try to keep order in the house m'lud. You can probably guess which side of the fence I am on!

http://www.bikersoracle.com/blackbird/forum/showpost.php?p=161798&postcount=19
g0551p

I certainly won't be taking this issue into consideration when it comes to the general election 'cos personally, I don't give a monkeys, although I wouldn't mind a bit of fox hunting round Sarf Larndan, 'cos the fookers are everywhere :shooter:
Anyone for bullfighting? :dunno: :neenaw: :}

 

[Wolfie]

You're not supposed to answer Wolife.
I want a pro hunter to answer. Doh!

they can't they have not got one!!!!

 

[osprey03]

Wolfie,

The comment about envy was meant as a joke, but my sense of humour missed the mark again.

 

[trophychap]

Roxxo

There is nothing at all wrong with drag hunting, most packs that used to be used for Otter hunting now drag hunt as do quite a few beagle packs.

I keep seeing the words most people want it banned being used frequently in this debate forgive me if I am wrong but I don't recall the nation having had a referendum on the subject so where are these figures comming from?

Driving round the countryside as I do every other day I keep seeing posters saying 59% say keep hunting. Now when I went to school percentages were based on units of 100 unless things have changed recently that says to me that there are only 41% of people that want so see hunting with dogs banned.

Therefore it is the anti's that are in the minority, or have my maths gone totally to pot with all this blood lust?

 

[Aidey]

Ah but, Trophychap , you're missing the point here. On an issue as polarised as this facts and figures don't come into it, only emotions. On your figures I would say democracy has given an "overwhelming endorsement" to continue hunting.
I seem to remember that when there was a referendum on Welsh devolution there was less than 1% majority on a 23% turnout. This was described by our Labour gruppenfeuhrers as an overwhelming endorsement for Welsh devolution. Makes you think doesnt it?



PS. I have never hunted nor I have I any wish to do so. I'm also a floating voter for those who think my previous posts reveal any particular political bias.

 

[Rob]

What shall we BAN next then??

Whether people want to hunt with hounds or not dosen't really bother me , it's the Banning of things that normally law abiding people want to do ( usually a minority) that does bother me . As a participator of a couple of minority sports it worries me about how much longer i'll be able to carry on enjoying them, i hunt with my hawks as in they chase and sometimes kill cute little bunnies, i also love to ride my motorcycle, aah i hear you cry but motorcyclists don't kill cuddly little foxes , No but we are a minority and there are a lot of people who would love to see them banned , as the doctor who patched me up from my last prang was fast enough to tell me they are dangerous and should be banned and i should be made to pay for his services because it was my own stupid fault for riding one. Needless to say i told him to wrap up and fook off . R'gards Rob.

 

[derek kelly]

the sight of a load of middle class wanabes prancing about the countryside dressed like Butlins SS officers makes me sick.

Well, I think answers the question - envy !! I have my own stables, I have had horses for over 20 years, I have had invites to hunts, I have kept hens, exactly what am I supposed to be envious of?????



What about all the stable hands/kennel people - ban hunting and put them all on the dole

Bollocks, good stable hands/grooms/kennel people will always find work, my mother worked as manageress at a big kennels in Leeds the problems she had was keeping good kennel staff as most of them were just there filling in time before college or going onto other jobs.

 

[Wolfie]

Wolfie,

The comment about envy was meant as a joke, but my sense of humour missed the mark again.

nah i got it, hence the

Driving round the countryside as I do every other day I keep seeing posters saying 59% say keep hunting. Now when I went to school percentages were based on units of 100 unless things have changed recently that says to me that there are only 41% of people that want so see hunting with dogs banned.

they did not ask me!!!! 59& of what??? people who work with it, do it, think their jobs will disappear without it??? Farmers union?? I have also seen figures stating that 79% of the people taken in the survey are against fox-hunting, their figures were from 1500 people, so these 1500 people are a fair view on how we all think are they??? think not some how. :beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[derek kelly]

Just before christmas we were discussing this very subject at work, out of the six of us involved in the discussion four were against fox hunting, two were for it the two for it were husband and wife both ex NCO MP's.
the wife actually had a go at a colleague because he goes shooting rabbits/geese/pheasants, (incidentally he is against fox hunting) just after christmas I had the same discussion with five other colleagues we were all against fox hunting, so on that score pro hunters are in the minority
Anyway just heard on the news that you have lost your appeal, so end of story, no more cruelty to foxes, all them grooms/stablehands/kennel people gonna have to look for other jobs.....NOT

 

[ianrobbo1]

the way I heard the news of the appeal being rejected, was because of all the other "laws" the government "pushed" through the commons would also be open for appeal and THAT just wouldnt do would it,?? :dunno:

 

[trophychap]

Like everything that is voted on by MP's all it really proves is, the majority of people voting on that day wanted to ban it!!

If you were an MP and you had a very definite view on something (mind you, that would prolly disqualify you LOL) even though you knew very well that the majority of your constituents had the opposite view on whatever it was - how would YOU vote?

I believe that MP's - like anyone elected to a committee - is usually advised to vote their own way on the basis that you have been elected warts an' all, and if the folks don't like it they shouldn't have voted for you. That's a bit black and white I know, but that's the gist of it. On my first 'proper' committee (a Union - so we were taking decisions that affected peoples livelihoods - not the whole country by any stretch of the imagination but a big responsibility nevertheless) that was the guidance I got; usually on our committee the premise was that the committee members would have a much greater in-depth knowledge of both sides of the argument before being asked to vote and could therefore reach a more balanced viewpoint than (some of) the people we were representing. Very altruistic.

I'm a bit more cynical now!!!!! %$fan

Jen

 

[derek kelly]

Ok you want both sides of the argument.

Pro hunt, We want to chase a defenceless animal round the countryside then let our dogs have a bit of fun by torturing then killing it so we can smear it's blood on our children to initiate them into this way of life.

Anti hunt, We want to stop the barbaric act of wanton cruelty carried out on defenceless animals, and the sick practice of smearing fox blood on children.

Is there really any reason to debate it any further?