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birdinflight
Registered User
TA DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOu hit the nail right on the head there Derek!!!!!!!!
derek kelly said:
YOu hit the nail right on the head there Derek!!!!!!!!
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Aidey
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Bit on the side, you did not read me post correctly. I said I was not particlarly for or against hunting, it is something on which I dont have an opinion. Read it again, properly please.
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Rob
Guest
Hunting????????????
Although the banning of fox hunting dosen't affect me personally even though we have horses we don't ride with the hunt, the people and organisations that have campaigned for the ban have already stated their next objective is the banning of all shooting ( it is not necessary for anyone to own a gun !!!, their words not mine ), along with a campaign against fishing ( which does affect me ) and then the banning of hunting with Hawks and Falcons again which affects me personally, where will it all end?? the most dangerously vulnerable vehicle on the road is a motorcycle !! maybe to protect those vulnerable riders from injury or even death , should they be BANNED ?? . Smoking and Drinking are harmful to your health lets BAN them . at some they will want to BAN something that directly affects YOU !! will you wait till that time before you stand up and be counted , whether you are for or against fox hunting it's ban is only the tip of the iceburg, just wait and see. R'gards Rob.
Although the banning of fox hunting dosen't affect me personally even though we have horses we don't ride with the hunt, the people and organisations that have campaigned for the ban have already stated their next objective is the banning of all shooting ( it is not necessary for anyone to own a gun !!!, their words not mine ), along with a campaign against fishing ( which does affect me ) and then the banning of hunting with Hawks and Falcons again which affects me personally, where will it all end?? the most dangerously vulnerable vehicle on the road is a motorcycle !! maybe to protect those vulnerable riders from injury or even death , should they be BANNED ?? . Smoking and Drinking are harmful to your health lets BAN them . at some they will want to BAN something that directly affects YOU !! will you wait till that time before you stand up and be counted , whether you are for or against fox hunting it's ban is only the tip of the iceburg, just wait and see. R'gards Rob.
Rob, motorcyclists do not go out with the intention of torture and murder, huntsmen do,
I too enjoy fishing although I am lucky if I get to partake twice a year now, they attempted to ban fishing sometime in the seventies, but realised it would cost too much to employ people to monitor the rivers lakes and canals, a job which each and every fisherman takes on board everytime they go fishing.
I too enjoy fishing although I am lucky if I get to partake twice a year now, they attempted to ban fishing sometime in the seventies, but realised it would cost too much to employ people to monitor the rivers lakes and canals, a job which each and every fisherman takes on board everytime they go fishing.
ALonaBIRD
Registered User
for what its worth im more against than for foxhunting but im against a ban as once they get that then they will just start on someone else like shoothing(not bothered about shooting) fishing(not bothered about fishing) falconry ( surprise surprise something im for......and on that note, if they ban falconry and we all have to release our birds we might get more stories like these http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4206031.stm )
the antis say .." yeah they whip us and try to trample us with their horses"
the pros say ..." they slash our horses and throw welded staples on the ground to cripple our horses
so who is in the right here????????????????????? :bang: :bang: :bang:
the antis say .." yeah they whip us and try to trample us with their horses"
the pros say ..." they slash our horses and throw welded staples on the ground to cripple our horses
so who is in the right here????????????????????? :bang: :bang: :bang:
Al the difference being that nature intended these birds to kill to survive, birds and animals do not kill for pleasure, they eat what they kill,
I will never condone the harming of horses and I agree that a lot possibly most of the hunt sabouteurs are doing more harm than good and the methods they use makes them just as bad as the hunters,
I do remember a case though where a man stood in a field blowing a hunting horn to confuse the pack hounds, and the police arrested him, yet they let the prat in the red jacket carry on blowing his just because he was the master of the hunt,
Is there a law stating that you must be on horseback to be allowed to blow a hunting horn?
I will never condone the harming of horses and I agree that a lot possibly most of the hunt sabouteurs are doing more harm than good and the methods they use makes them just as bad as the hunters,
I do remember a case though where a man stood in a field blowing a hunting horn to confuse the pack hounds, and the police arrested him, yet they let the prat in the red jacket carry on blowing his just because he was the master of the hunt,
Is there a law stating that you must be on horseback to be allowed to blow a hunting horn?
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trophychap
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A ban on Angling would stand as much chance as a snowball in hell of being on any parties manifesto. The largest participant sport in the country with over three million participants.
Thats an awfull lot of votes!!!!
Wake up and smell the coffee ned!
Thats an awfull lot of votes!!!!
Wake up and smell the coffee ned!
trophychap said:
I totally agree but it was muted about quite a bit in the early seventies, at the time my eldest brother worked in the agricultural dept at Leeds University, and some of his friends were river bailiffs, and I remember them being worried about losing their jobs, I was only 13 or 14 and didn't understand politics but I was worried as I had recently got a load of fishing tackle as birthday presents
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Biff Baff Boff
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So let me get this right.
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- You breed dogs to kill dogs.
- You raise livestock on farms that are inhabited by wild animals, animals that were there tens if not hundreds of thousands of years before the farms were, then declare that these wild animals should be torn apart for fun because they're doing what they've always done and evolved to do.
- Most of these farms wouldn't last 5 minutes as a business were it not for the enormous subsidies that the EU dole out anyway.
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KevKing
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roXXo said:
As I already said, my opinions are personal and I am sure you can all find counter-examples. However, capital punishment does work if applied correctly - Roxxo you obviously havent been to Singapore or Malaysia. As for the b****x about this governemnts wonderful achievements I am not sure this is the thread, but I think your view is clouded by the wrong sort of glue. So whats the difference between your lab ripping up a rabbit and a hound ripping up a fox? Yes foxhunting was patronised by "toffs" but you are out of touch if you think that is still the norm. I didnt say dont debate foxhunting but lets put it in perspective - dont see much parliamentary time given to greyhound racing do we?
If you want rights then you have to accept responsibilities
Question to those of you passionately against - apart from that passion, are you directly affected by the actions of hunts - if not, I would politely ask you to butt out and enjoy your own pastimes etc
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KevKing said:
What on earth possessed you to ask such a Naive and Banal question,you do not have to be directly affected by something to have an opinion,
but in answer to your question yes I have been directly affected by the actions of a hunt, but putting that aside, anybody who is against the torture and murder of a defenceless animal is directly affected by the actions of the morons of the hunt.
Do you have to be directly affected by a murder (say a close friend or family) for you to be passionately against murder,
For every argument for fox hunting there are ten against, the majority want to ban hunting so bring on the ban and end the debate.
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bitontheside
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Question to those of you passionately against - apart from that passion, are you directly affected by the actions of hunts - if not, I would politely ask you to butt out and enjoy your own pastimes etc
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Kev - if you want to social climb and the only way to do it is to hunt, then fair enough - but to say to others that you cannot have and express an opinion is cobblers! Again, this is Democracy at work.
Aidey - sorry, I have just re-read your piece. :blush:
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Kev - if you want to social climb and the only way to do it is to hunt, then fair enough - but to say to others that you cannot have and express an opinion is cobblers! Again, this is Democracy at work.
Aidey - sorry, I have just re-read your piece. :blush:
ALonaBIRD
Registered User
yup im sure there are that amount from the antis side and i could probably agree with you ...................... but from the pro hunt side there will be ten arguments for to every one against ( cant think of many offhand cos im against hunting anyway ) im just against the ban on priciple
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roXXo
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KevKevKing said:
I have not been to Singapore or Malaysia. I have not been to the USA either.
If Capital punishment works, how come these nations keep on killing murderers. Surely there would be no more murders.
It is my view that this government has tried and succeeded in may areas to make life better for all.
Libby, my Lab, catching a rabbit and ripping it apart (although she has never caught one yet) cannot be compared with a group of people with a trained pack of hounds setting out with the intent of hunting an animal to it's death.
Hunting with dogs was an elitist passtime. I didn't say it is now. There are some "ordinary" folk who don't know the origins of the form hunting that we are discussing who think that it is the tradition and culture of the common man. It is not. There are also those who have "bought" into the so called country way of life and think that they should perpetuate this once elitist hobby. I am not against hunting because of the social background they come from.
Greyhound racing isn't hunting. There are many groups that are trying their best to help old, greyhounds, horses, ponies, donkeys. There are already laws on cruelty that are applied and many people are prosecuted. We are talking about a new law to ban hunting with dogs. Of course there will be more parliamentary time given to the introduction of a new law. Quite right.
I don't think I mentioned rights or responsibilites but I don't disagree with you.
Even if you are not directly affected by the actions of a hunt, it doesn't mean that you should not be allowed an informed opinion.
What is wrong with drag hunting?
All the fun of the dogs picking up a scent, following the hounds on the back of a wonderful animal. Out in the countryside with like minded friends. A great social activity. I wouldn't mind joining in myself.
We can all have our opinions and there will always be different opinions. This is how it should be. In the parliamentary democracy that we live in we vote in the MP we want that we think best represents our views and wishes. We cannot have mob rule and the government elected on single issue arguements but obviously in the '97 manifesto, the Labour party thought that banning hunting with dogs would attract voters and some voters put banning hunting with dogs higher up their priority list than other issues.
Banning hunting with dogs will make no difference to anybody's way of life, employment or hobby but it will make a big difference to a fox's life.
What's wrong with drag hunting?
Do you ride Kev?
Bubba
Registered User
Just a point or three,
Any one seen hare coursing? One dog, one hare. That single dog, what does he do when/if he catches the hare? Stands around, waits for the other dogs to arrive before killing the animal? Sends Txt messages "Have hare, need pack"? STOP TALKING FECKIN' BOLLOX!!!!! The dog will kill. Simple as, in a pack, first dog will kill. My parents used to have an Airedale, watched her ratting on more than one occasion. First blow, she'd break the rats neck. Quick and painless. Then she'd play with the body before walking away.
Someone mentioned the lions method of killing, suffocation is a usual method but it does depend on the size of the animal. Would also like to point out that a lion is a feline and your discussing the hunting techniques of canines. Anyone seen a wolf kill? Same as a dog, quick, painless. Where does a dog come from? Where does it get its pack and hunting instinct from? Anyone been on a vermin shoot? What about my uncle whos a game keeper and a deer stalker? What about the stalkers who take people on a deer shoot? Are they all inhumane?
I get the impression that a majority of the people on this thread want to see an end to hunting because its cruel. What about the farmer who cant shoot for toffee even with a shotgun? Poisons? How long would it be before the nation was up in arms because of the amount of wounded and poisoned foxes being picked up by the public that have to be destroyed.
This is really beginning to piss me off, the attitudes of the people in this country just amaze me. My old outfit has been shipped over to Iraq at, what is potentionally the most turbulant time, people are being killed, domestic abuse in Scotland is up by 10%, more armed crime is happening in this country than ever before, Africa is on the brink of an Aids epidemic, world poverty and pollution is on the increase and we're more concerned about Fox hunting and the off chance that they do make a catch? You all need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Oh, and what moves into a resource, drains it then moves on to another resourse to repeat the process? There are two that do that, one is a virus. Second one? Guess
Cue Flaming
Any one seen hare coursing? One dog, one hare. That single dog, what does he do when/if he catches the hare? Stands around, waits for the other dogs to arrive before killing the animal? Sends Txt messages "Have hare, need pack"? STOP TALKING FECKIN' BOLLOX!!!!! The dog will kill. Simple as, in a pack, first dog will kill. My parents used to have an Airedale, watched her ratting on more than one occasion. First blow, she'd break the rats neck. Quick and painless. Then she'd play with the body before walking away.
Someone mentioned the lions method of killing, suffocation is a usual method but it does depend on the size of the animal. Would also like to point out that a lion is a feline and your discussing the hunting techniques of canines. Anyone seen a wolf kill? Same as a dog, quick, painless. Where does a dog come from? Where does it get its pack and hunting instinct from? Anyone been on a vermin shoot? What about my uncle whos a game keeper and a deer stalker? What about the stalkers who take people on a deer shoot? Are they all inhumane?
I get the impression that a majority of the people on this thread want to see an end to hunting because its cruel. What about the farmer who cant shoot for toffee even with a shotgun? Poisons? How long would it be before the nation was up in arms because of the amount of wounded and poisoned foxes being picked up by the public that have to be destroyed.
This is really beginning to piss me off, the attitudes of the people in this country just amaze me. My old outfit has been shipped over to Iraq at, what is potentionally the most turbulant time, people are being killed, domestic abuse in Scotland is up by 10%, more armed crime is happening in this country than ever before, Africa is on the brink of an Aids epidemic, world poverty and pollution is on the increase and we're more concerned about Fox hunting and the off chance that they do make a catch? You all need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Oh, and what moves into a resource, drains it then moves on to another resourse to repeat the process? There are two that do that, one is a virus. Second one? Guess
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Aidey
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Labour government Bubba? Just a guess.
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bitontheside
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Aidey said:
Tory voter - just a guess! :neenaw:
Wolfie
Is a lunp
Question to those of you passionately against - apart from that passion, are you directly affected by the actions of hunts - if not, I would politely ask you to butt out and enjoy your own pastimes etc
stop trying to kill my pastime and i will. I like seeing foxes badgers birds etc in THEIR enviroment.
My old outfit has been shipped over to Iraq at, what is potentionally the most turbulant time, people are being killed, domestic abuse in Scotland is up by 10%, more armed crime is happening in this country than ever before, Africa is on the brink of an Aids epidemic, world poverty and pollution is on the increase
should never of gone to war in the first place.
domestic abuse in scotland not heard of that one yet so can not comment
lack of police/police presence ???
if they dont use the condom and continue to visit dirty pros then it will happen
agree, but america aint doing nothing about cutting their polution, cause they dont have to, if they want to gain friends and become respected then they should lead the way. All to often they are keen to stick their noses into other peoples business, but they wont upset their own apple cart for the greater good of everybody will they.
stop trying to kill my pastime and i will. I like seeing foxes badgers birds etc in THEIR enviroment.
My old outfit has been shipped over to Iraq at, what is potentionally the most turbulant time, people are being killed, domestic abuse in Scotland is up by 10%, more armed crime is happening in this country than ever before, Africa is on the brink of an Aids epidemic, world poverty and pollution is on the increase
should never of gone to war in the first place.
domestic abuse in scotland not heard of that one yet so can not comment
lack of police/police presence ???
if they dont use the condom and continue to visit dirty pros then it will happen
agree, but america aint doing nothing about cutting their polution, cause they dont have to, if they want to gain friends and become respected then they should lead the way. All to often they are keen to stick their noses into other peoples business, but they wont upset their own apple cart for the greater good of everybody will they.