Let's see if they try to cover this one up

[morphgarth]

I agree, but about 4 or 5 years ago I had dealings with a bloke throwing a puppy over a railway bridge onto the tracks. Dog died.
He was locked up with extreme swiftness... But CPS advised that RSPCA ( or their solicitors/ advisor's) should collate all papers and submit a file to them for prosecution (Including our interviews and statements)??? Something to do with an ACpoo agreement ( But I never looked it up). The bloke got ?200 fine, community service, and banned from having pets. ( Wow, that taught him a lesson).

Murt.

Could well be right Murt, I had some involvement in a nasty tail docking job recently and I thought this was what the RSPCA prosecutor told me. Could be as you say though.

 

[morphgarth]

every dog handler I have ever known (Police or Snowies) has loved dogs first and their job came a poor second. I think some people like to have a go at the police over anything, it's like a hobby such as train spotting, but less valid and rewarding. Some people think they know the police inside out and like to have a misplaced and ill informed dig. The internet allows this as you can be as big an asshole as you like and hide behind a few lines of text. (the irony in that line will not be lost on all, but I can guarantee it will be on some)
Myself I doubt every much if the people responsible for this meant it to happen and I imagine they are most upset.
I know what comments I would rather take on face value, and it isn't some of those within this thread.

As usual Karlos you are spot on.

 

[Barrie]

I cannot beleive a police dog handler would be daft enough to leave the dogs in a life threatening situation. Obviously he/she did leave them in such a situation. What we don't know is how this came about. These officers, as I understand from knowing a police dog handler, ask to do the job because of their love of the animals, it's not one they do because it's part of every officer's duty. I bet the officer involved will never forgive himself.

 

[derek kelly]

Derek, how do you manage to reconcile one of your posts that states nothing will be done and then post an article from 1998 (very contempary) that shows Police officers being prosecuted?

Where have I stated that nothing will be done? I said "I wonder if there will be a cover up"

 

[andyBeaker]

I wasn't wrong, was I. That's three seperate post including words to the effect that 'some of my best mates are dog handlers'.

I have no idea what happened in this incident, the bloke may desrve to be locked up. But I am saying that perhaps everyone should wait for facts to be established before jumping to what is, in fairness, the obvious conclusion.

The only FACT that is known is that the animals died a horrible death. Period.

p0pc0rn41

 

[derek kelly]

every dog handler I have ever known (Police or Snowies) has loved dogs first and their job came a poor second.

I do know some very good dog handlers both in the Prison service and in the police, but I also know of some that shouldn't even be wearing a uniform.

I think some people like to have a go at the police over anything, it's like a hobby such as train spotting, but less valid and rewarding.

If you read back through my past posts you will see that I am normally eager to defend the police & in this case I am not having a go at the police I am discussing a single person who is employed as a police dog handler

Some people think they know the police inside out and like to have a misplaced and ill informed dig.

If I ever have a dig at the police you can rest assured it will not be misplaced or ill informed

The internet allows this as you can be as big an asshole as you like and hide behind a few lines of text. (the irony in that line will not be lost on all, but I can guarantee it will be on some)

We are all entitled to opinions, some people have had good experiences with the police some have had bad experiences, personally I have had both but I will not stereotype the police force for the sake of a few arseholes in their employ

Myself I doubt every much if the people responsible for this meant it to happen and I imagine they are most upset.

So we should give him/her a pat on the back & say there there never mind, I wonder how many police officers have heard, "Sorry I didn't mean to kill my wife for having an affair" or "Sorry I didn't mean to molest my kids"

I know what comments I would rather take on face value, and it isn't some of those within this thread.

From what you post it would appear that you have already made up your mind that the officer in question has just been a little bit silly & should go unpunished, but then again I try not to read too much meaning into words typed on the internet so I could be way off track, however I do know that I cannot stand any kind of cruelty to animals & leaving two dogs in a car on the hottest day of the year is cruelty whether intended or not

 

[RHINO]

He was simply paid to keep them alive & well; he seems to have failed to do so and now wants some paid time off as a consequence.
RH

Your WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! Totally wrong!!!

He was paid to use them as a resource tool to aid tracking and catching offenders.
Of course their welfare partly comes down to him but this is shared between him, the kennel hands and supervision.
YES there were kennels near to where his vehicle was parked however, there are regulations about placing them in and 'protocol' more than likely prevented this.
Now, was he to ignore a lawfull order and NOT attend his meeting?
Was he to ignore 'force procedure' and dump the dogs in the kennel for 20 mins risking a discipline procedure?
OR would he maybe leave them with ventilation to attend a 20 min meeting , keeping within guidlines but with tragic circumstances that many of us would not suspect could occur in such a short time let alone their handler..?

I would like to think it was a massive error of judgement and not neglect.

RH , i would like to know WHY you are so negative over the Police forces in this country as it seems to be the only time you rear your head..
Must be difficult being so perfect :bow:

 

[martin]

every dog handler I have ever known (Police or Snowies) has loved dogs first and their job came a poor second. I think some people like to have a go at the police over anything, it's like a hobby such as train spotting, but less valid and rewarding. Some people think they know the police inside out and like to have a misplaced and ill informed dig. The internet allows this as you can be as big an asshole as you like and hide behind a few lines of text. (the irony in that line will not be lost on all, but I can guarantee it will be on some)
Myself I doubt every much if the people responsible for this meant it to happen and I imagine they are most upset.
I know what comments I would rather take on face value, and it isn't some of those within this thread.

The voice of reason:bow:

Rhino, spot on.:bow:

 

[ianrobbo1]

It's a damn shame IMO,I don't know the circumstance that led to these unfortunate deaths, I'm sure the officer concerned was the last man on earth that would have wished this on the dogs, and I think I'll keep an open mind until ALL the facts are gathered,:dunno:


slightly off topic, unfortunately looking at some of the uninformed responses in the above thread, also give,s reason to not re introducing the death sentence something I believe should be brought back!!h1d1ng2

 

[Smix]

With respect, I find this hard to believe- presumably healthy dogs should be able to survive 20 minutes in a ventilated car.

RH

Twenty minutes is not long at all!!

Hopefully someone will test how quickly a car heats up under the sun at say 30 deg c (ambient temp) and say how long until a dog will start to be in distress, let alone suffer as there will be many dog owners clueless on the dangers.

Maybe they should say that over a certain ambient temp, no children or pets should be left in a car.

The RSPCA man on the radio yesterday pointed out that most people with vaguely modern cars have air cona nd if not, they would be driving with the cold air blowers on in the current weather.

So - the temperature in the car feels maybe 15 deg C?? Even with the windows open, in normal summer sunshine (not the blazing hot we've had this week) a car get get to well over 30 dge C in about twenty mins apparently.

He also suggested that any dog with a heavy coat (or the ones with flat faces - I know, not police dogs) will suffer much quicker with the heat, and twenty minutes is plenty of time for the dogs to become very unwell and die.

How many people have been lucky? Most people don't realise how hot (degrees) its been and even fewer would understand the effects of heat in a car.

Yes - someone with the dog knowledge and responsibility of a handler should know better.

Personally I think it is incredibly sad. I'm sure actions will be taken, and I can totally understand why the man is on sick leave - he must be devasted (I can't imagine this was intentional)

 

[Smix]

From the RSPCA website - it takes minutes in 45 degrees of heat (C or F??)

Your car could break down, you could get caught up in the shops and the ‘one minute’ milk run turns into ten, etc etc,. The simple message is don’t take your dog out in the car in these exceptional conditions. In 45 degrees they WILL die in minutes, it’s as simple and as scary as that!

Ooops - the Auzzie one :blush: - guess its F's then!!!

 

[Smix]

ah - from the UK one -

The dangers
Dogs can suffer from heatstroke, which can be fatal.
Even when it is just 22?C (72?F) outside, the temperature in a car can soar to 47?C (117?F) within 60 minutes.
Open windows or a water bowl make little difference.
Cloud cover can disappear quickly.
All dogs will suffer, but some dogs are more prone to heatstroke. For example, dogs that are old, young, short-nosed, long-haired, overweight or heavily muscled are more at risk, as well as dogs with certain diseases.
Temperatures in air conditioned cars can reach the same temperature as outside within just five minutes of being turned off.

 

[gypsy]

The RSPCA man on the radio yesterday pointed out that most people with vaguely modern cars have air cona nd if not, they would be driving with the cold air blowers on in the current weather.

So - the temperature in the car feels maybe 15 deg C?? Even with the windows open, in normal summer sunshine (not the blazing hot we've had this week) a car get get to well over 30 dge C in about twenty mins apparently.

He also suggested that any dog with a heavy coat (or the ones with flat faces - I know, not police dogs) will suffer much quicker with the heat, and twenty minutes is plenty of time for the dogs to become very unwell and die.

How many people have been lucky? Most people don't realise how hot (degrees) its been and even fewer would understand the effects of heat in a car.

Yes - someone with the dog knowledge and responsibility of a handler should know better.

Personally I think it is incredibly sad. I'm sure actions will be taken, and I can totally understand why the man is on sick leave - he must be devasted (I can't imagine this was intentional)

Some people have been known to boil Bunnies on this site and have escaped prosecution

 

[Smix]

Some people have been known to boil Bunnies on this site and have escaped prosecution

Excuse me - I'm far more modern than that - I NUKED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :} :} :} :}

 

[TopBird]

Lost for words

 

[Jono]

Where have I stated that nothing will be done? I said "I wonder if there will be a cover up"

Derek explain to me how the fuk this will be "covered up", it would appear quite a few folk know about it????????????????

 

[RHINO]

Lost for words

Fuckin hell thats a first















































h1d1ng2

 

[TopBird]

You're right...it isn't like me to be lost for words but I cannot get my head around how/what the fook happened...

 

[RHINO]

You're right...it isn't like me to be lost for words but I cannot get my head around how/what the fook happened...

I know......fookin hot weather in the UK.... amazed me to

 

[TopBird]

Leave it, I know you're 'in the job' but for fooks sake Rhino... still can't find any words to say...