Let's see if they try to cover this one up

[derek kelly]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRAlzqGXxm8jw2u9ocdGozXUO0fgD996D6FG0

I wonder how many car windows the handler has broken to rescue dogs & how many people he/she has prosecuted for leaving dogs in their cars

 

[Biker Babe]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRAlzqGXxm8jw2u9ocdGozXUO0fgD996D6FG0

I wonder how many car windows the handler has broken to rescue dogs & how many people he/she has prosecuted for leaving dogs in their cars

Heard about this on the news this evening, beggers belief don't it? :dunno:

I bet nothing is done about it :bang::bang:

 

[andyBeaker]

Doesn't look good, but the police have asked a very senior RSPCA Inspector to investigate so I don't think there is any chance of a 'cover up'.

Perhaps we ought to wait until facts are established.

Either way it is extremely sad, and I think we all know how close the bond is between man and dog in a working partnership. Sure whoever is involved is devestated.

 

[andy102]

He/She may be devastated but they still bloody left two dogs locked in a car on one of the hottest days of the year; police or not they should be prosecuted and banned from keeping pets for life

 

[derek kelly]

Perhaps we ought to wait until facts are established

Fact, two dogs were left in a car by a supposedly responsible person, one who has the power to arrest others for the same offence

Either way it is extremely sad,

Sad, tragic & highly avoidable

I think we all know how close the bond is between man and dog in a working partnership.

Really? are you absolutely sure about that? I have seen so called dog handlers who haven't a clue how to take care of themselves let alone a dog, I have seen them deal out beatings [yes I did report them to their senior officers with the threat of the RSPCA] I have seen them punch their dogs in the stomach [at the time methods approved by Durham constabulary], I have seen them swing the dog on it's lead, I have known of one handler who got home when it was snowing hosed his dog down & left it outside, the next day it was dead, he got promoted.

 

[andyBeaker]

Blimey Derek....................

I bet you believe that Michael Schumacher is The Stig as well as it was on t' telly.

'Facts' are not necessarily what are reported in the media.

This should be good. Bet 'some of my best friends are police dog handlers' appears at some point.

p0pc0rn41

 

[trigantle]

some of my best friends are dog handlers























only they havn't been caught yet

 

[derek kelly]

Blimey Derek....................

I bet you believe that Michael Schumacher is The Stig as well as it was on t' telly.

Couldn't give a shit who the stig is

'

Facts' are not necessarily what are reported in the media

So the dogs weren't dead they were just sleeping?

This should be good. Bet 'some of my best friends are police dog handlers' appears at some point.

p0pc0rn41

You mean like these arse wipes? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/208489.stm
Normally I defend the police but some actions are indefensible

 

[rovinghawk]

"Lessons will be learned"

It was "tragic & regrettable"

The will be a "full & far-reaching" enquiry.

Nobody will be punished as nobody will have been responsible as it will be found to have been a "procedural failure/error"

They've already stated how much they care about animals, despite the disparity between that statement and the known facts.

Update: The handler hasn't been suspended; he's on leave, presumably until the heat dies down (no pun intended). The RSPCA are looking into whether a prosecution is warranted (Nottinghamshire police are not, although this might change when there's an outcry). IPCC have declined to become involved.

RH

 

[karlos2000]

Blimey Derek....................

I bet you believe that Michael Schumacher is The Stig as well as it was on t' telly.

'Facts' are not necessarily what are reported in the media.

This should be good. Bet 'some of my best friends are police dog handlers' appears at some point.

p0pc0rn41

:-0) & p0pc0rn41

 

[bishbosh]

They probably sloped off for a hot dog! :lick:


Taxi ......


(appologies for all canine lovers out there, couldn't resist the voices).

 

[Rheumatoid]

Doesn't look good, but the police have asked a very senior RSPCA Inspector to investigate so I don't think there is any chance of a 'cover up'.

.

probably from the same lodge as the chief constable!

no chance of a cover up my arse!

R.

 

[Murt]

Right.. Been able to find out a few 'rumours' from contacts..

The officer was off duty and was visiting an office at the Headquarters.

The two GSD's were left in his own car ( Thought to be an estate car) with the windows open ( But not fully).
He was away from the car for about twenty minutes.

He has gone sick from duty.

He will be interviewed very soon by his Force Professional standard people ( The old Complaints and Discipline lot) and by the RSPCA for all sorts of offences ( They specialise in animal law, so are better than the police at this bit!)..

..

I agree with the comment about some dog handlers in the police not being able to tie shoe laces, no matter work a dog! That's the way the police force has gone... It's not who will be best for the job.. It's who fits the 'profile', be they best for the job or not!!

But... A lot of my mates are dog handlers.
Most are bloody good at the job and the dogs are like a child to them.

This incident will not be a whitewash.. The officer will be prosecuted. ( Depending on the CPS of course).

I think he deserves all he gets.

Murt.

 

[rovinghawk]

The two GSD's were left in his own car ( Thought to be an estate car) with the windows open ( But not fully).
He was away from the car for about twenty minutes.

With respect, I find this hard to believe- presumably healthy dogs should be able to survive 20 minutes in a ventilated car.

He has gone sick from duty.

Man flu or a wish to hide from annoyed people?

This incident will not be a whitewash.. The officer will be prosecuted. ( Depending on the CPS of course).

I hope you're correct but time will tell.

RH

 

[Murt]

RH..
As I say, that's all I have.
As you know, if I have any doubt or chance to show the 'other side of the coin' I will.
But on this occasion I cannot find anything different to say about this officer that has not already been said!

My contact has been a dog man for about 25 years, and has won awards all over the Country for his dog's, but even he has come up with some rather interesting idea's on what should happen to the handler!!
He says.."It's as if he left his kids to die." I can't say any more that that.

I think the fact he's gone sick is a mixture of many things.. Horror and regret, and, as you say, to get out of the flak!! Probably to get away from the other handlers!!

The bloke needs doing, and I'm sure he will be for this.

Murt.

 

[bishbosh]

Twenty minutes is not long at all!!

Hopefully someone will test how quickly a car heats up under the sun at say 30 deg c (ambient temp) and say how long until a dog will start to be in distress, let alone suffer as there will be many dog owners clueless on the dangers.

Maybe they should say that over a certain ambient temp, no children or pets should be left in a car.

 

[morphgarth]

Derek, how do you manage to reconcile one of your posts that states nothing will be done and then post an article from 1998 (very contempary) that shows Police officers being prosecuted?

I have no doubt that, in the absence of some extenuating circumstances (hard to imagine what that might be) there will be a prosecution.

From memory I don't believe that the RSPCA need to go through the CPS for charging decisions.

On the officer going sick, I imagine it's because he's bloody upset and is probably no good to anyone at the moment. Much as anyone would be if they lost their dog in tragic circumstances, whether through their own act or omission or not.

 

[rovinghawk]

On the officer going sick,

My understanding is that he's on leave.

I imagine it's because he's bloody upset

He's not the only one.

and is probably no goog to anyone at the moment.

This presupposes he was any good in the first place; the circumstances suggest otherwise.

Much as anyone would be if they lost their dog in tragic circumstances, whether through their own act or omission or not.

They weren't his dogs, they were the taxpayers'. He was simply paid to keep them alive & well; he seems to have failed to do so and now wants some paid time off as a consequence.

RH

 

[Murt]

From memory I don't believe that the RSPCA need to go through the CPS for charging decisions.
.

I agree, but about 4 or 5 years ago I had dealings with a bloke throwing a puppy over a railway bridge onto the tracks. Dog died.
He was locked up with extreme swiftness... But CPS advised that RSPCA ( or their solicitors/ advisor's) should collate all papers and submit a file to them for prosecution (Including our interviews and statements)??? Something to do with an ACpoo agreement ( But I never looked it up). The bloke got ?200 fine, community service, and banned from having pets. ( Wow, that taught him a lesson).

Murt.

 

[karlos2000]

every dog handler I have ever known (Police or Snowies) has loved dogs first and their job came a poor second. I think some people like to have a go at the police over anything, it's like a hobby such as train spotting, but less valid and rewarding. Some people think they know the police inside out and like to have a misplaced and ill informed dig. The internet allows this as you can be as big an asshole as you like and hide behind a few lines of text. (the irony in that line will not be lost on all, but I can guarantee it will be on some)
Myself I doubt every much if the people responsible for this meant it to happen and I imagine they are most upset.
I know what comments I would rather take on face value, and it isn't some of those within this thread.