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OO-Look! A PROPER Sports Tourer!

Dark Angel

Still kickin' it!
Well, it’s been quite a day - and I’ve made my mind up!

11 o’clock found us at Blackpool Honda to take a ride on a Kawasaki GTR1400 – and I loved every minute!

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It’s an incredibly luxurious feeling to sit in one of these cadillacs, with all the tricks and trimmings you could dream of, or wish for. I won’t rhyme them off here (you can look them up for yourself, if you’re sufficiently interested), but get a test ride if you’re thinking of changing your bike in the near future.

It’s a very good touring machine and the engine needs no mention. Brilliant mirrors - and the front brake is awesome. The rear brake, though, felt woolly by comparison: maybe a bit of TLC is needed on a two year-old bike that has done just over 10K miles, but in fairness I have to add that it had only been received into the dealership as a part exchange the day before, so it hadn’t been through the workshop.

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The high bars and generous lock make it an easy bike to turn and manoeuvre at low speeds, while the seating position and dashboard layout are excellent. I was also very pleasantly surprised by the agility of such a big, panniered bike, especially through the twisties and when negotiating roundabouts of varying types and sizes. After a while I relaxed and let the bike find its own way through the corners and, while it tended to wander a little wide sometimes, it only needed a little bit of input to sort it out: no dramas and, yes, I know: it’s a tourer.

Against all of this, there was a distinct whine from, either, the gearbox or the shaft drive, especially when pulling away in first gear. Which also reminds me; the gearbox itself could only be described as adequate: “silky”, it wasn’t. I found it almost impossible to change up smoothly through first and second to third gear, and that makes for an unsettled bike and a disconcerted pillion passenger. I never got the hang of things but, with a little more time, I reckon that normal service would soon have been resumed.

Finally, low-frequency vibrations were noticeable through the bars and footrests, even when cruising on the motorway. With 10K on the clock, a good service and a general “tightening up” all around would probably do a world of good. All in all, I was very impressed with the GTR; very impressed indeed.

We retuned to the showrooms and left again, almost immediately, on a Pig-bike. :eek:

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Lorraine loved the way it handled and accelerated – and so did I. Yes, really! It was great fun – but – I was appalled by the vibration from the engine, which transmits through the whole machine; bars, seat, frame, footrests; the lot. Lorraine even commented on it when we were halted, and I remember thinking that I could get the same kind of sure-footedness, acceleration and handling characteristics from my old Gixxer 750 – but with a lot less in the way of the “bad vibes” of the Honda.

Besides the awful styling, the vibration factor has come, not so much as a disappointment, but as more of an outright shock that no one has mentioned it before. Was it a “rogue” bike, or is this a trait of the V-4 that is taken for granted by the cognoscenti?

Anyway, it was fun – but neither I, nor Lorraine would contemplate riding across Europe on one. The Pig-bike is not a Tourer. It is a wanna-be sports bike-toy on ugly pills (very BIG ugly pills!), albeit a very competent one.

A while later and we’re walking into Preston Superbikes, on our way home. Earlier, I’d tried with other dealers to arrange a test ride on a Triumph Sprint GT (not available until next week) and a ZZR1400 (closed on Sundays), so we called in on spec. and there, in the showroom, was a silver “Z” that had just been received, awaiting inspection and valeting. First registered in 2009 – 410 miles on the clock. That's right: four - hundred - and - ten - miles. (Pause for reflection here: VFR Pig-bike £12K+; ’08 GTR @ 10k miles £8700+; brand-new ZZR at “pre-loved” price!)

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Having ridden one before, I was prepared for the worst when the Preston guys very generously allowed me a test ride when we’d only walked through the door a few minutes previously. What I discovered, though, was that riding the GTR and the Pig-bike had removed all thoughts of the Blackbird from my head, so my preconceptions and expectations were swept away, along with any thoughts of making a direct comparison between the ZZR 1400 and my sweet, sweet Honda B. When we got back, Lorraine said, “I really liked it! It feels really impatient to get going, but it feels really good through the bends!” And me? I loved it!

Previously, the ZZR had felt alien, as I’d climbed straight off the Honda onto a bike with a comparatively upright riding position. The footrests felt too low and the bars were set wider and higher and too close to me; so I thought I didn’t like it and the bike didn’t “fit” me properly.

Only after riding the GTR and the VFR1200 was I able to approach the ZZR from a new perspective – and this time, it was obvious. The “low” footrests mean that you only have to “work” to go faster – you don’t have to “work” to make yourself comfortable. The bars may be wider and closer, but that means you’re not reaching forward as much; there’s more leverage available when travelling quickly through corners; and more lock for manoeuvring the bike at low speed. It all made perfect sense. Now I understood. Everything slipped into place. Brilliant! Proper clocks with moving pointers reminded me of my old Blackbird; the smooth power delivery and slick gearbox were distinctly Honda; the hyper-speed response to throttle-opening was refreshingly scary and the brakes were mind-boggling. Catch ma drift?

Stepping back from the bike – well – it looks good enough to make me want to take a backward glance as I walk away after parking up; I feel the same about the GTR, too, and those panniers take a full-face helmet each – no problem. The VFR is a brilliant bike to ride if you just want a bit of fun, or if you want to learn to ride quickly without having to suffer aching wrists/back/knees. A proper “old man’s bike” that’s so easy to ride that it may just be the new C50 – apart from the price, that is! h1d1ng2

So – as I said at the start of this rant – I’ve made my mind up.

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I’m gonna buy a renovated Volkswagen “Beetle” and keep me licence!​
 
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jono49

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VFR1200 Vibes

Yes I was surprised by the vibes to! bit of shock to the system from a bike with so much hype before the launch?










ttp://www.bikersoracle.com/blackbird/forum/showthread.php?t=49657
 

Dark Angel

Still kickin' it!
Thank fook for that.....now can we get back to leather settees and their quality.?
OO... You are awful... ...but I like you. :-0)

Yes I was surprised by the vibes to! bit of shock to the system from a bike with so much hype before the launch?
Bloody-?ell, jono49! When did yer slip that one in? (Oo-er, missus!). :-: I must?ve nodded off while I was readin? the ?couch? thread, or somethin? similar?!! :} Honestly, though; have any of the motorcycle mags 'n' rags mentioned the fact that the VFR's a bit of a bone-shaker? :dunno: ... If not; I wonder why? :rolleyes:
 

Tinytim

Registered User
OO... You are awful... ...but I like you. :-0)


Bloody-?ell, jono49! When did yer slip that one in? (Oo-er, missus!). :-: I must?ve nodded off while I was readin? the ?couch? thread, or somethin? similar?!! :} Honestly, though; have any of the motorcycle mags 'n' rags mentioned the fact that the VFR's a bit of a bone-shaker? :dunno: ... If not; I wonder why? :rolleyes:

Christ !....from a "bit of vibes felt" to a fekkin "bone-shaker" in two easy posts..

Don't forget, you're using the Birds engine as your benchmark...a smooth turbine like silky in-line four.....NOT a fookin V4....how would you describe a Boxer twin c.f. the Birds engine then.

So, DA...which pseudo Blackbird did you choose ?:dunno:

Out in mid Wales this weekend and stopped on the road to Llandrindod to check directions...when in the distance we heard a couple of bikes heading our way in the quiet evening air. As they appeared 'round the bend the lead bike turned out to be a white VFR...the sound was fekkin brill as he approached not quite on full chat but certainly giving it large on the bend. Looked well impressive compared to the massive sleek bulk of the two Kawasaki 1400's following behind. One had the panniers on too....fekk you could get a months shopping on that....or deliver for DFS as a sideline. Hah! Could call them fekkin retro touring bikes really couldn't you?

At your age DA, you need all the help you can get..and you do look good on the Viffer........:-0)
 

Dark Angel

Still kickin' it!
Christ !....from a "bit of vibes felt" to a fekkin "bone-shaker" in two easy posts..
A trifle harsh, Timmo; a trifle harsh. Everyone knows I?d never criticise the VFR1200 :rolleyes: if it had lived up even half-way to the hopes of (probably) the world?s Blackbird owners. But, to me, it?s so far away from any Blackbird ?Evolution? machine that I can?t help meself.

Jono419 wrote: ?Vibes noticable right away, plenty of torque and good acceleration, Gearbox fairly slick, could not tell it was shaft drive, then the handling...very planted on sweepers but a lot of force needed to steer more than I was comfortable with, on returning I definitley experienced numb fingers?

This was the first comment I've seen on the ?vibes?. I?ve not seen, or heard, any of the so-called ?professional motorcycle journalists? comments on the topic ? so J419 has the scoop on them all. ?And I was ?appalled? by the "shakes", but at least I suggested that it might have been a ?rogue? bike that had slipped through the net. Apparently not, if I?ve correctly interpreted your rather cryptic comments ?:-:

Don't forget, you're using the Birds engine as your benchmark...a smooth turbine like silky in-line four.....NOT a fookin V4
:lol:
So, DA...which pseudo Blackbird did you choose ?
Why, the ZZR will carry us swiftly to Catalunya, all being well, in a few weeks time. :yo:

At your age DA, you need all the help you can get..and you do look good on the Viffer...

Only cuz I didn?t need the step ladder ter climb aboard, Timmo! :-0)
 

Dark Angel

Still kickin' it!
Caveat ? and probably my final post on here.

My current BB is three years old and, at just over 42K miles, it?s the least-used/abused of the four I?ve owned. It?s also the first I?ve had MOT?d. All these bits o? crap are important to me, because they?re ?Blackbird Owners? Crap?. Little bits of history created for me by the best model of bike I?ve ever owned.

The first one (Red) introduced us to B.I.R.D. :rolleyes: I had no option but to sell that particular machine as it had once forced me, at gunpoint, to wander naked at midnight around a distant hotel whilst under the influence of bash-consumed alcohol. I should stress though, that I (think I) had my boots on, cold as it was; in the hope of avoiding the inevitable shrinkage factor. :-0)

Another disadvantage of owning this machine was that it introduced us into the presence of various, infamous desperados such as Clive, Quiney, Fat Bert, JAWS Rhino, Fodder, Rolfy Dave (and luvvly Jan), Hugh and Dawn and many other criminals from whom we have strived to dissociate ourselves ? some successfully and some less so ? for many a year.

The second (Red) and third (Black/Silver with Gold wheels) introduced us to track days, European touring and MotoGP fanaticism. The highest mileage achieved on one machine was 72K in less than three years. The loom let us down, so we had to get another. The rest of the bike would have gone on for at least another 30K before it needed some serious attention that would (probably) have seen it double its hard-working life.

Today I rode my Blackbird home after it had been serviced and MOT?d, knowing that I?ve come to the end of what, for me, has been a motorcycling era. We?ve travelled a lot of miles on the Honda Blackbird, Lorraine and I. So, I?d just like to say that, even with its very few faults; and even when judged by modern standards; I think the Honda Blackbird was one of the finest motorcycles ever created.

I was born lucky enough to own, not one, but four.

I?ll miss my Blackbird.

What a great bike it was. :yo:
 

Wolfie

Is a lunp
Caveat ? and probably my final post on here.

My current BB is three years old and, at just over 42K miles, it?s the least-used/abused of the four I?ve owned. It?s also the first I?ve had MOT?d. All these bits o? crap are important to me, because they?re ?Blackbird Owners? Crap?. Little bits of history created for me by the best model of bike I?ve ever owned.

The first one (Red) introduced us to B.I.R.D. :rolleyes: I had no option but to sell that particular machine as it had once forced me, at gunpoint, to wander naked at midnight around a distant hotel whilst under the influence of bash-consumed alcohol. I should stress though, that I (think I) had my boots on, cold as it was; in the hope of avoiding the inevitable shrinkage factor. :-0)

Another disadvantage of owning this machine was that it introduced us into the presence of various, infamous desperados such as Clive, Quiney, Fat Bert, JAWS Rhino, Fodder, Rolfy Dave (and luvvly Jan), Hugh and Dawn and many other criminals from whom we have strived to dissociate ourselves ? some successfully and some less so ? for many a year.

The second (Red) and third (Black/Silver with Gold wheels) introduced us to track days, European touring and MotoGP fanaticism. The highest mileage achieved on one machine was 72K in less than three years. The loom let us down, so we had to get another. The rest of the bike would have gone on for at least another 30K before it needed some serious attention that would (probably) have seen it double its hard-working life.

Today I rode my Blackbird home after it had been serviced and MOT?d, knowing that I?ve come to the end of what, for me, has been a motorcycling era. We?ve travelled a lot of miles on the Honda Blackbird, Lorraine and I. So, I?d just like to say that, even with its very few faults; and even when judged by modern standards; I think the Honda Blackbird was one of the finest motorcycles ever created.

I was born lucky enough to own, not one, but four.

I?ll miss my Blackbird.

What a great bike it was. :yo:

so you are giving up on the blackbirds because you have got to MOT them now??? thats sad man sad.
 

Tinytim

Registered User
Nice but poignant Post DA

Caveat ? and probably my final post on here.

:yo:

This thread?....or the Forum?...either way thank fook for that....all this inane chatter about motorcycles/motorcycling/motorcycle performance has just kept getting in the way of settees/biscuits/sausages/athletes foot powders/Indian Restaurant anecdotes/dwarf horses/knicker elastic whether red blue black or any other fekkin colour :wank:


Have only just got to "know" you..pity :cry:...but if you are going to the Kwakasaurus side then just be aware ...you wont get Quality Shite like this over here, oh no sirree :xm

May well "bump" into you when the Cloggers get off their arses and have a ride...

Ride safe...:yo:
 

Jono

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How ya gonna manage the luggage side of things? Testing the GTR on saturday, looked at the ZZR but as I say luggage? w;;v
 

Dark Angel

Still kickin' it!
so you are giving up on the blackbirds because you have got to MOT them now??? thats sad man sad.
The MOT?s aren?t the problem, Wolfie. I giving up on the Blackbird because Honda have stopped makin? ?em. Not being able to get a new, upgraded, 2010 Bird means I?ll have to find an alternative, and the ZZR1400 fits the bill. Here?s a good report from 2006 on that very topic.

... if you are going to the Kwakasaurus side then just be aware ...you wont get Quality Shite like this over here, oh no sirree
I was supposed to be finished with this lot, wasn?t I? :rolleyes: In 2008 Kawasaki sorted out the fuelling to get rid of a flat spot (sound familiar?) and 99.9% of the reviews I?ve seen have raved about the bike. Lots of ex-Blackbird riders amongst ?em, too ? so ?shite quality? shouldn?t be an issue, Timmo! :} (The Cloggers are now the ?Flying Ferrets?, by the way, and have been for a few years, methinks.)

You'll regret not buying a Viffer

:lol: ?having ridden the ?Ugly Shaker?, I can assure you that I won?t! (Post some pictures of yours when you get one, willya, Bertrand?)

How ya gonna manage the luggage side of things? Testing the GTR on saturday, looked at the ZZR but as I say luggage?
Plenty of stuff out there in the way of luggage, Jono. Givi V35?s don?t look too bad.

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We?ve got a few weeks o go before we head for Spain, so I?ll root around a bit more and see what I can find. I know it?s out there, somewhere! :-0)
 

Tinytim

Registered User
That last pic....almost 'Busa like.

Cloggers...Ferrets...I know. c7u8 ..for some reason I have a mental

block about them and can never fookin remember what they were/are now....anyrode..it's them over Manchester wayhay....p0pc0rn41
 

Dark Angel

Still kickin' it!
That last pic....almost 'Busa like.
No, no, no, no, no! :t This is a 'Busa, sill-ee-ee? :rolleyes:

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...Don?t look at it for too long or you?ll turn to stone! :-0)​

Cloggers...Ferrets...I know. c7u8 ..for some reason I have a mental block about them and can never fookin remember...

Yer might be better off if yer stop beatin? yerself over the ?ead wi? that big stick, M8!

I gave that up meself, years ago, an? I?ve never looked back since?! :-:​
 

Jono

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Mate of mine just gone from a Blackbird to the ZZR 1400....loves it by all accounts, why wouldn't he...it's a modern bike.:-0)
 

Oldbull

Registered User
WEll... Im glad you finally made your mind up me ol' mate and I really hope you enjoy your new bike... :bow:

Just a few thoughts that crossed my mind when reading your test ride reports Eric. I noticed you mentioned the touring advantages of higher/wider bars, lower footrest, smooth comfier ride etc etc... But, with all your thousands of touring miles on your four blackbirds have you ever :- lowered the pegs, fitted bar risers, had ?300 quids worth of K-Tech suspension , ?60 quid on a Tony Archer seat, and a screen of your choice and / or hard luggage even....
Now Im not having a pop here pal but I really do find that hard to believe that you never actually 'toured one up' at all, and now your going out there to buy a bike with all of that ????
I would have been interested in your report on a toured up one after getting of the Kwaka mate !!!
The only thing that a 'toured up' bird hasnt got is a shaft drive, which is a shame, but the main advantage over the Kawaka is that it Will/ Does carry the weight with the sorted suspension... which is the main concern I would have with the Kwak ...

Any way, I said enough for you to get my drift where Im coming from and as Mr Spock once said... ' you have been and always will be my friend' so Ill still come ride with you on your Kawakaki pal :-0)


Give my best to Lozzers :k
 
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