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morphgarth
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As I said RH "IIRC"! I've just looked back at the slow mo on the Guardian video and it does indeed appear to show a baton strike to the legs first.
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As I said RH "IIRC"! I've just looked back at the slow mo on the Guardian video and it does indeed appear to show a baton strike to the legs first.
rovinghawk
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There was no trauma injury to the legs in the post-mortem- it was all to the abdomen.
RH
rovinghawk
Registered User
Here's the update.
It wasn't a whitewash in the slightest. It's just unfortunate that they chose an unsuitable coroner to investigate a death of this nature and then used his version of events to exonerate the officer in question. No stink about this one at all.
RH
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11015705
It wasn't a whitewash in the slightest. It's just unfortunate that they chose an unsuitable coroner to investigate a death of this nature and then used his version of events to exonerate the officer in question. No stink about this one at all.
RH
rovinghawk
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Further update:
After it was decided that his contradictory evidence meant no chance of a court case, the pathologist has been removed from the register on the grounds of incompetence.
A pity this didn't happen BEFORE the court decision.
RH
After it was decided that his contradictory evidence meant no chance of a court case, the pathologist has been removed from the register on the grounds of incompetence.
A pity this didn't happen BEFORE the court decision.
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bishbosh
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Oh what a surprise, like there's no collusion that some solitary dispretuble pathologist got a high profile gig and a word in his shell.
Move on, nothing to see here.
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jontheone
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with 10 police officers with batons drawn, dogs etc. i would have walked a bit quicker!!
i am thinking something went on before the incident??
was over top but i really dont think officer meant to kill him
i am thinking something went on before the incident??
was over top but i really dont think officer meant to kill him
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ianrobbo1
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this is all starting to smack of a cover up!! :dunno: all too convenient for an "error" that the Pathologist turns out to be a wrong un, normally doctors and such have to outright murder someone to get a slap on the wrist years after the event,!! seems odd that the duff Pathologist gets it in the neck just a matter of months after the case is officially closed,!! like they weren't already investigating the man,?? and would have known his involvement would dirty the facts,:dunno: maybe a review of all the evidence should be the way to go?? :dunno:
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rovinghawk
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You think the police should be feared?
Suggest something (anything) that would justify striking an old man from behind with a baton with enough force that he falls to the ground and dies. Then suggest why it wasn't dealt with earlier.
Will that defence work if I kill someone?
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Punchy
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The guy has just done a days work selling papers and he just wants to go home. This set of thick twats cant understand that he is not part of the demonstration and insist on forcing him back into what they call a 'kettling' to force him to stay in the area for probably the next ? hours, no wonder the guy is pissed off and may have said something to that effect. However launching into him whilst his back is turned and with his hands in his pockets the way that officer did is way over the top. Just reverse the situation and tell me what would happen to a member of the public if they had carried out a similar assault on a police officer?
This is nothing more than a feckin cover up and drives a bloody big wedge between the public and the police force.
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rovinghawk
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Update:
The policeman will have a disciplinary hearing. Unusually, it's likely to be public. I look forward to the verdict.
The BBC website shows a policeman tending to the injured/dead victim, with caption to match; my memory of the video is that they all just looked at him lying there dying and members of the public went to help. Revisionist reporting already or is my memory incorrect?
RH
The policeman will have a disciplinary hearing. Unusually, it's likely to be public. I look forward to the verdict.
The BBC website shows a policeman tending to the injured/dead victim, with caption to match; my memory of the video is that they all just looked at him lying there dying and members of the public went to help. Revisionist reporting already or is my memory incorrect?
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noobie
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A bit sensationalist isn't it? Do you work for the Daily Mail by chance?
How you think they could possibly would have known that he laid there dying is beyond me, and as such yes your memory is selective at best
rovinghawk
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He lay there. He died ten minutes later. It's a matter of public record (ie plenty of video) that the public helped him whereas the police just stood there watching.
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noobie
Clueless in most things
Certianly he did lay there and agreed he was been looked at by one or two members of the public
Neither the members of the public or the police could have in anyway thought "that bloke is going to die from being pushed over"
Your version also omits that the police were not just controlling one individual as they were trying to control a riot at the time and there were other people to deal with/control/assist
None of those police officers went out thinking " I know I'll kill a protester today" and for anyone to insinuate that is either anti police or a sensationalist.
No one who is involved with keeping things as a right to protest for others wants to see people hurt to insuate it was deliberate is wrong, to insinuate the actual officer involved has covered up would be wrong, unless you are privy to the investigation? if you are could you share?
As you point out it is unusual but the disciplinary is or might be public. I'm not happy about that at all. Should any of us screw up at work how would we feel it was reviewed in public.
If something was done that should not have been then yes there should consequences but to paint a picture of murder and deliberate intent smacks of anti establishment rather than a fair and independent review
As to them being to thick to realise he wasn't in the protest but was leaving work how would they know? should he have worn a t shirt saying " I have left work and am no part of this crowd of protesters that I am in the middle of, trust me" ? really?
Neither the members of the public or the police could have in anyway thought "that bloke is going to die from being pushed over"
Your version also omits that the police were not just controlling one individual as they were trying to control a riot at the time and there were other people to deal with/control/assist
None of those police officers went out thinking " I know I'll kill a protester today" and for anyone to insinuate that is either anti police or a sensationalist.
No one who is involved with keeping things as a right to protest for others wants to see people hurt to insuate it was deliberate is wrong, to insinuate the actual officer involved has covered up would be wrong, unless you are privy to the investigation? if you are could you share?
As you point out it is unusual but the disciplinary is or might be public. I'm not happy about that at all. Should any of us screw up at work how would we feel it was reviewed in public.
If something was done that should not have been then yes there should consequences but to paint a picture of murder and deliberate intent smacks of anti establishment rather than a fair and independent review
As to them being to thick to realise he wasn't in the protest but was leaving work how would they know? should he have worn a t shirt saying " I have left work and am no part of this crowd of protesters that I am in the middle of, trust me" ? really?
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bishbosh
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Say for instance I'm driving home and loose control of my car, I skid and knock over a pedestrian and they die. My mate in the insurance broker in the high street gets an investigation done and concludes it was unfortunate but the road conditions could not have been predicted, pure accident. The relatives of the victim ask for a review and find that a couple of my tyres were just below tread depth limit and cry foul writing up scathing reports in the local press. I counter with another review by a mate who is in a garage who agree with the first report that although the tyres were defective it wasn't a significant cause - 2 to 1 in favour of me and local magistrate dismisses the case. The tyres have since been scrapped and it turns out the guy who did the initial investigation falsified his MOT qualification and has been sacked, but hey ho, let's move on, I've been through enough.
Say for instance I'm driving home and loose control of my car, I skid and knock over a pedestrian and they die. My mate in the insurance broker in the high street gets an investigation done and concludes it was unfortunate but the road conditions could not have been predicted, pure accident. The relatives of the victim ask for a review and find that a couple of my tyres were just below tread depth limit and cry foul writing up scathing reports in the local press. I counter with another review by a mate who is in a garage who agree with the first report that although the tyres were defective it wasn't a significant cause - 2 to 1 in favour of me and local magistrate dismisses the case. The tyres have since been scrapped and it turns out the guy who did the initial investigation falsified his MOT qualification and has been sacked, but hey ho, let's move on, I've been through enough.
rovinghawk
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They might have thought "that bloke was hit a bit hard by the baton- is he ok?"
The video shows them standing there and the public not rioting. I can post a link to the video unless you think the BBC might have doctored their footage.
Wasn't an officer disciplined for remarks on facebook that he was going 'hippy-bashing'? The answer is yes, btw.
1) I didn't insinuate anything of the sort
2) I'm not anti-police, I'm anti BAD police. If you can't see a difference then the problem lies with yourself not me.
Please refer to my response above regarding comments on Facebook.
He accidentally hit the guy from behind with a baton? Careless weapon handling? Friendly smack?
Was his ID number visible or (to use your words) covered up?
Damn right-when people die after being hit by a police baton it's much better if it's looked at in secret. I refer you to earlier comments in this thread about the Met previously trying to obstruct investigations into its killings and suggest that nobody will trust them unless everythings seen to be above board.
If someone died shortly after I hit them I'm sure the trial would be in public. Then again, I'd have been prosecuted, unlike our policeman here.
If? I'd suggest to you that this death should not have happened. Wouldn't you agree?
Post mortem by a pathologist not under investigation for bad practice? Murder investigation? That sort of thing?
Hit and then later died of trauma injuries. Give me an alternative interpretation.
See my earlier comments about accidentally hitting him with a baton.
Actually all I ever wanted was for the policeman to be held accountable for his actions and face a fair trial. Don't you want to see a fair trial?
Why would he need to? Maybe he expected to not be hit from behind with a baton whilst ambling along with his hands in his pockets- most people don't expect it.
RH
From some of the stuff I have seen recently I would suggest the answer would be '100 hours community service'.
Clear film on Coppers last week where a drunk punched a WPC in the face and that was the 'punishment'
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