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Police Officer Pushes Man Over Who Then Dies

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jpm-m44

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Be interesting to find a jury that havent seen the footage, media hype and all the various opinion polls so that there is a fair trial
 

derek kelly

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Be interesting to find a jury that havent seen the footage, media hype and all the various opinion polls so that there is a fair trial

The footage would likely be shown to a jury, but they would also be provided with details of Home office approved policing methods & they would have to decide whether the Officer was acting within the confines of those guidelines
 
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jpm-m44

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And what his ' honestly held belief' was at that time and wether it was justifiable within ' common law'
Ah well watch this space I suppose.
 

rovinghawk

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IPCC have passed the file to CPS.

IPCC have tried to prevent TV screening of video evidence but a judge has overruled them.

The police now accept that they did actually touch the guy despite their initial denials.

It goes on.............

RH
 

rovinghawk

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A decision:
No charges to be brought. A reasonable certainty is that there will be no disciplinary charges as he hasn't been charged with any criminal offences- so that's ok, then.

I'd be curious as to what the 3rd post-mortem on the officer's behalf says; I'm sure that if it vindicated him it wouldn't have been covered up & withheld the way it has been.

Three cheers for all involved.

RH
 

Punchy

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Im sure if Ian Tomlinson had pushed a police officer to the ground in the same way he would at least be facing charges for assault.

Feckin whitewash verdict...

s04pb0x6

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deanorc51

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can't even be charged with common assault now . . . . 'timed out' 6 months after the fact.

a convenient 'oversight' by the CPS - well played, that'll do wonders for Public sinicism then.

& of course convention dictates it'll be early retirement on full pension due to the officer's stressful experience in the Public glare - bless him :violin:
 

Murt

Letch
I'm told the third PM was almost as the second.
Bleeding from the liver due to sclerosis and associated conditions. No specific cause.
 
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bishbosh

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I'm told the third PM was almost as the second.
Bleeding from the liver due to sclerosis and associated conditions. No specific cause.

My nan, bless her, tripped over a carrier bag and broke her hip. In itself an accident, the consequence a downhill spiral of quality of life. I think how this guy died is not important, so his general health was not that good and he could have died after a short period of pnumonia, but the officer took a swipe and then pushed him over when it was not necessary.

The officer is not guilty of the death, he was guilty of loosing control, not apreciating that Mr Tomlinson had his hands in his pocket and could fall heavily, and possibly the dog handler letting the dog have a go at an innocent passer-by leading to the officer's actions.

This was a mistake, and accident, an exaggeration of blame and a cover up.
 

rovinghawk

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I'm told the third PM was almost as the second.
With all due respect, this is unsubstantiated.

Bleeding from the liver due to sclerosis and associated conditions. No specific cause.
Was there any sign of trauma injury in the region of where he was hit? My suggestion is that there will be unless he was hit with a foam baton, which I doubt.

RH
 

Murt

Letch
With all due respect, this is unsubstantiated.
Was there any sign of trauma injury in the region of where he was hit? My suggestion is that there will be unless he was hit with a foam baton, which I doubt.
RH

Who says he was hit by a baton? My understanding was he was pushed over.
I don't know what signs of trauma were found, if any at all.

I have been hit by a baseball bat through two layers of clothing, it hurt a lot, but I had no signs of injury or bruising.

I also think it would be useless to hit someone with a foam baton, in fact it would be rather stupid.

But of course, until the full report is made public, it is all unsubstantiated.
Murt.
 
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morphgarth

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With all due respect, this is unsubstantiated.


Was there any sign of trauma injury in the region of where he was hit? My suggestion is that there will be unless he was hit with a foam baton, which I doubt.

RH


Think you're confusing this with the Smellie incident RH. IIRC he was pushed over not struck.
 
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dave boyce

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If it looks like a cover up,smells like a cover up,tastes like a cover up...etc:dunno:
 

rovinghawk

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Who says he was hit by a baton?
BBC, ITV, Sky News, various others. I can paste a link to proof should you require. If the BBC news site isn't sufficient then I can provide a link to suitable video- see post #78 where Wurley confirms having seen it. Post #48 suggests someone else saw it too.

My understanding was he was pushed over.
By a baton strike from behind. The police denied this in the same way they previously denied pushing him. This is a matter of public record and cannot credibly be denied. I suggest that your understanding is wrong & I can prove this.

I don't know what signs of trauma were found, if any at all.
Blunt force trauma in two post-mortems according to the BBC. The doctor who performed the first post-mortem is under investigation for misconduct in post-mortems; innocent until proven otherwise, but the result of that investigation will be interesting.

I have been hit by a baseball bat through two layers of clothing, it hurt a lot, but I had no signs of injury or bruising.
You didn't die, either- this suggests to me that the two sets of circumstances might be different.

I also think it would be useless to hit someone with a foam baton, in fact it would be rather stupid.
This tends to support my opinion that Tomlinson was hit with something a little more potentially lethal, doesn't it?

RH
 
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Murt

Letch
I take it back and apologise for my error.
They do say he was struck.

Murt.
 
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