Police Officer Pushes Man Over Who Then Dies

[rovinghawk]

Clear film on Coppers last week where a drunk punched a WPC in the face and that was the 'punishment'

If I may quote the words of some police officers amongst us:

"You don't know what might have happened 10 minutes earlier".

They seem to think this argument is valid- I wonder if the WPC in question would agree. Personally I'm in favour of decent punishment for the guilty.

RH

 

[lazybee]

Just reverse the situation and tell me what would happen to a member of the public if they had carried out a similar assault on a police officer?

This is nothing more than a feckin cover up and drives a bloody big wedge between the public and the police force.

Roy
TOC
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Does anything more need to be said?

 

[rovinghawk]

In court this week:

"He wasn't a threat but I hit him with my baton because he wasn't doing as he was told." Is this acceptable policing these days?

RH

 

[jontheone]

there is no way that the officer who reacted like that could have foreseen the outcome.
his reaction may have been too high in the use of force. thats all.
were there any verbals or conversations before the incident?
there was footage of him approaching other officers that were sealing off roads.
its about time police were allowed to use more positive action, maybe then people may do as they are told.

 

[Duck n Dive]

'tis a difficult one given the circumstances etc.

I know I'd be Mr Angry if I found myself "kettled" on the way home through no fault of my own.


The thought has crossed my mind that folks have been convicted of manslaughter when they pushed/threw a punch and the resulting fall ended up in a death.

:dunno:

 

[rovinghawk]

there is no way that the officer who reacted like that could have foreseen the outcome.

Didn't realise that hitting someone might do damage?

his reaction may have been too high in the use of force.

May???? How much would it have to be to be definitely too much?

were there any verbals or conversations before the incident?

Not according to the video evidence. Even if there were, what would have justified attacking a non-threatening (the officer's own words) individual from behind?

there was footage of him approaching other officers that were sealing off roads.

He walked down the road? How dare he?

its about time police were allowed to use more positive action, maybe then people may do as they are told.

Do as the police say, otherwise they'll have the right to attack & kill people? Are you trolling or do you genuinely believe what you've written?

RH

 

[Jaws]

It is a police state..
While many of the older coppers are bloody good at the job, many of the young uns aint got a bloody clue..

And the thugs the met keep on hand for crowd control should all removed from the job without pension.. in fact preferably without any chance of ever getting out of a jail..

And before the lads on here who are job start jumping up and down, the POLICE video footage shows exactly what happened..
And ..........there is now empirical evidence that the met does have a special squad infested with those who for ( usually ) reasons of physical abuse found them selves almost out on their ear .. In other words thugs and bully boys.

But please.. I would urge all not to judge every officer on those wankers.

Fortunately for us they are a tiny minority.

 

[robsbird]

The police over here have no power in todays living.......or respect

As there is to much paper work............?

As a kid I would not even answer back to my mum let alone a copper if a copper told you to do some thing you did it as you should respect him/her
Even if right or wrong

In most parts of the world were police carry guns you find when aced to do some thing you well DO IT

Over here the poor sods with the guns can not even get them out the car with out asking the big wigs in the office if it's ok
s04pb0x6

I'll get off now

 

[rovinghawk]

The police over here have no power in todays living.......or respect

Respect is earned. Or lost.

if a copper told you to do some thing you did it as you should respect him/her
Even if right or wrong

Why if wrong?

In most parts of the world were police carry guns you find when aced to do some thing you well DO IT

Do as you're told or we'll shoot you? Nice system- let's adopt it.

RH

 

[parttimepilot]

Didn't realise that hitting someone might do damage?

May???? How much would it have to be to be definitely too much?
Not according to the video evidence. Even if there were, what would have justified attacking a non-threatening (the officer's own words) individual from behind?
He walked down the road? How dare he?
Do as the police say, otherwise they'll have the right to attack & kill people? Are you trolling or do you genuinely believe what you've written?

RH

Try living in the likes of Iran thend34l

 

[rovinghawk]

Try living in the likes of Iran thend34l

I see you're not defending your statements. I presume you can't.

The police shouldn't have the right to abuse the citizenry who shouldn't have to live in fear of them. Disagree if you see fit.

RH

 

[Saffie]

The thing I find ironic is that if it was a normal guy pushing another normal bloke and no uniforms were involved this probably would not have made the papers.

I as most of you know come from south africa where our police are ripe with corruption and to top it all off...they got guns, Luckily we can carry guns to defends ourselves.

As a person that has been living here for 7 years I have seen the world from both sides.

In south africa you sh*t yourself when the police stop you, you speak to him and refer to him as sir, you do as he says- not because you respect him, but rather you respect the fact that he is there to serve the law and putting his life at risk.

Here I have witnessed(staying in a dodgy part) that police would be sworn at spat at and on one occasion I called them in as the violence in the streets were threatening to explode into a full on riot. They drove up in the car one got out asked the people to move on where they replied f*ck off. He turned around got back in his car and left. When they started smashing car windows and setting alight a caravan(5ft away from my bike) I phoned them again to be told they aware of the situation....that ran out of steam when they started sobering up.

I think the biggest problem here is that criminals have rights, I feel to become a criminal you took away the right of someone else and therefore should not have rights, we also not to treat prisoners badly in jail, they need to feel safe and cared for(jail used to be a deterrent) If i was a copper and I knew that if I arrested someone they would be out quicker than I can complete the paperwork...why bother?

I digressed..

The point I am trying to make is that in that position you are rushing on adrenaline and your eyes are constantly sweeping the crowds on edge waiting for something to happen. Someone breaks your comfort zone and you over react and end up in the newspapers. Is it the coppers fault or the fault of the people that put him there? In south africa we have special units, as the guy thats good dealing with riots is shite with paperwork, the pen pushers shits himself if you clap hands and might snap. I was in the army and in special circumstances we were called out to assist the riot police if things got a bit hot and I will honestly tell you those guys rock, being shot at thrown with petrol bombs and not showing the slightest bit of fear being outnumbered 100 to 1..why cause they were trained for the job.

Wonder what this particular officer did when he was not in riot gear? walking a beat answering phones????

For those who want to see the different units in action check out youtube I put the afrikaans terms to make it easier to locate the south african videos:
Blitspatrollie (rapid response squad)
Vasbyt (intensive training for both police and army)
or simply search SAPS(South African Police Service) SANDF (South African National Defence Force)

The point I am trying to make is that we should not be focussing on the guy on the frontline,but rather the people that put him there and also our policies on dealing with crime. Banning a person from driving for 3 years after being caught driving whilst on a ban??? ooh thats so mean! :wank:

 

[Duck n Dive]

The thing I find ironic is that if it was a normal guy pushing another normal bloke and no uniforms were involved this probably would not have made the papers.

Sorry but I'd have to disagree with that (the rest of what you say is fair)

In any other circumstances with the video evidence and stacks of witnesses the person doing the pushing/hitting/shoving would have (based on past cases like this) been charged with manslaughter at least.

And yep .. it would have made the news as well.


As an example:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-12104917

Two arrested after man punched outside Hull bar dies

 

[parttimepilot]

I see you're not defending your statements. I presume you can't.

The police shouldn't have the right to abuse the citizenry who shouldn't have to live in fear of them. Disagree if you see fit.
RH

Wasn't disagreeing with you, just reminded me of the Panorama programme on last night regarding state control within Iran. Their police make ours look like Choir boys. Kind of puts things into context. Doesn't make violent behaviour within our copper ranks right though

 

[Saffie]

Do not be sorry duck everyone has a right to disagree. Although I recall an incident in Edinburgh where a bloke drove up his driveway with his wife in the car to find a group of young gentleman sitting on his driveway. He asked them to move and they assaulted him resulting in his death in front of his wife...it definitely did not make news headlines and off course I am sure there is much more cases like this, but then how would we know if it didn't make it to the news???

 

[jontheone]

roving hawk, i genuinely beleive what i have written.

 

[rovinghawk]

its about time police were allowed to use more positive action, maybe then people may do as they are told.

You think the police should have the power to do what was done to Tomlinson so that the police will be 'respected'.

Brilliant- I wish I'd suggested it.

RH

 

[robsbird]

You think the police should have the power to do what was done to Tomlinson so that the police will be 'respected'.

Brilliant- I wish I'd suggested it.

RH

Rovinghawk it's wankers like you that get peoples backs up do you have a job in government office as your fit in well

Every one has a thought on this right or wrong but as you be leave your always right you could be a woman
:wank:

 

[andyBeaker]

Rovinghawk it's wankers like you that get peoples backs up do you have a job in government office as your fit in well

Every one has a thought on this right or wrong but as you be leave your always right you could be a woman
:wank:

Well said that man.

 

[CBR77]

Tomlinson was shoved away from a police line. He died shortly afterwards. There was no way it could have been foreseen he would have died after being pushed, but it happened, and was very unfortunate.

The media only print it because it causes such a fuss and sells papers. If Tomlinson hadn't died then we would never have even heard of him.

How many of us have been in situations where we have had to use force, to defend ourselves or in the course of work, and the subject of our 'attentions' has died? Virtually none, most likely.

Just the UK media stirring up the shit as usual, the daily Two Minute Hate and The Sun Says, and we all start screaming and throwing shit around like enraged apes.


Too many goody two shoes bleeding hearts in this country. That's why it's going to rat shit.