Mis-firing???

[petrosc]

Thanks mate

for the record I have fitted new plugs (the right ones), new air filter, new oil filter and oil, new brake pads - front and back, new battery bla bla

I had the problem before all that was changed but I still have it lol

 

[petrosc]

What do you make of that

I have started the bike again and the following happened:

Turn the ignition on.
Pressed the start button and kept pressing for 7/8 seconds and nothing. After the 8 seconds slow clicking started (for 4/5 seconds) then the engine started turning (slowly) then it increased turning speed, and finally after another 4/5 seconds, it kicked in.

Definate smell of petrol.....

Stopped the engine, was running very rough, started it up again, no probs. Left it for 10 minutes, tried to start it and the same slow start happened again, as earlier.

What the hell was that all about???????????????

Any ideas?/

c7u8

 

[hondated]

OK I found the dreaded connection on my 08 Reg BB and on mine all the wires are one side and the other part of the connection just clips in.

Sorry if this is a thick question but does that mean it is just making a continuous flow for the two wires that are in each port.

The actual connector terminals are still bright and shiney but given what I have read would it pay me to connect the two wires on each and do away with the connector box all together.

Although I am getting a misfire I am not as yet getting any kind of fault showing on the dash.

After my original posting I thought that I had resolved the problem but on returning from a camping trip in Derbyshire where I never used the bike for 4 days and it rained heavily most days riding home the fault developed again.
Appreciate all advice

 

[robsbird]

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Missing Bird Cured

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Problem cured, was a diaphram within the fuel injection allowing petrol to be sent flooding 2 cylinders, apparently the part was only used on the XX1 and 2 and a newer version fitted afterwards, only cost ?25 to get the newer version.


How do you check this? Does anybody know? What would I need?
Please help

i think you will find this was the part he was on about as it goes to vac and wall filling pot 2

@tu*

 

[Jaws]

OK I found the dreaded connection on my 08 Reg BB and on mine all the wires are one side and the other part of the connection just clips in.

Sorry if this is a thick question but does that mean it is just making a continuous flow for the two wires that are in each port.

The actual connector terminals are still bright and shiney but given what I have read would it pay me to connect the two wires on each and do away with the connector box all together.

Although I am getting a misfire I am not as yet getting any kind of fault showing on the dash.

After my original posting I thought that I had resolved the problem but on returning from a camping trip in Derbyshire where I never used the bike for 4 days and it rained heavily most days riding home the fault developed again.
Appreciate all advice

All ten wires should be cut and ALL joined together.. They are not in pairs

 

[hondated]

Cheers John. Can I also ask whether I should carry out this adaption now even though at the moment the connection has not corroded.

Given this connection is urely for Honda testing and has no other purpose how is this affecting the smooth running of the engine.

 

[petrosc]

Cheers John. Can I also ask whether I should carry out this adaption now even though at the moment the connection has not corroded.

Given this connection is urely for Honda testing and has no other purpose how is this affecting the smooth running of the engine.

Thats a very good question. How does it effect it?
Should I be doing this too?

c7u8

 

[petrosc]

I have started the bike again and the following happened:

Turn the ignition on.
Pressed the start button and kept pressing for 7/8 seconds and nothing. After the 8 seconds slow clicking started (for 4/5 seconds) then the engine started turning (slowly) then it increased turning speed, and finally after another 4/5 seconds, it kicked in.

Definate smell of petrol.....

Stopped the engine, was running very rough, started it up again, no probs. Left it for 10 minutes, tried to start it and the same slow start happened again, as earlier.

What the hell was that all about???????????????

Any ideas?/

c7u8

Anybody? Any ideas why this is happenning? Come on Jaws, you must have seen this!!!!! :bang:

 

[silverfox.xx]

Turn the ignition on.
Pressed the start button and kept pressing for 7/8 seconds and nothing. After the 8 seconds slow clicking started (for 4/5 seconds) then the engine started turning (slowly) then it increased turning speed, and finally after another 4/5 seconds, it kicked in.

That sounds like bad battery/solenoid/starter wire connection if its not turning over... or brushes in starter motor.

 

[petrosc]

That sounds like bad battery/solenoid/starter wire connection if its not turning over... or brushes in starter motor.

Hi Silverfox and thanks for that.

Ok the battery is new. Should I get a new solenoid or is there a test I could do on it? The thing thats really strange is that after the first start when you turn the engine off, the bike starts as nomal. Leave it off for 10 minutes and the slow start begins again.

Is there a test for the starter?

I am doing the loom fix 2moro, god help me, lol:bang:

Thanks mate@tu*

 

[silverfox.xx]

Check all the main wires from battery through solenoid to starter, you'll need your tail piece off for that (ideal time to do loom fix. And don't forget to disconnect the battery when checking the main wire through.

Starter can be removed, but I suspect wires first. Main fuse also on starter solenoid unit. (front left behind tail piece).

You tick/ticking is the solenoid clicking, suggests not enough voltage to starter. It could even be the starter solenoid itself.

 

[petrosc]

loom fix done!!!!!!

Hey Silverfox, thanks very much for your help and guidance.

I have done the loom fix, me thinks, some pics of what I ve done but cant test yet because I am still waiting for the coils.

I looked at all the sensors, disconnected, blown with air, reconnected, there is nothing obvious. I dont know how to check the main cable though and the battery is off the bike for the mo.

When I replace the coils I will put everything as it should be and trying the bike. I have some made up 108 octaine petrol and I wil try and burn any gunge from the old petrol in the system would you sugeest around 5k rpm?

I found out that there is a dealershp in Kalamata (60klms away) but can you trust them Greeks? Alls you see around are mopeds/scooters and the like. Every time he BB has been out people gather around!!!!!

I knew that solder dip woud come handy one day!!!!

Thanks for the help.

 

[petrosc]

Come on lads

I have started the bike again and the following happened:

Turn the ignition on.
Pressed the start button and kept pressing for 7/8 seconds and nothing. After the 8 seconds slow clicking started (for 4/5 seconds) then the engine started turning (slowly) then it increased turning speed, and finally after another 4/5 seconds, it kicked in.

Definate smell of petrol.....

Stopped the engine, was running very rough, started it up again, no probs. Left it for 10 minutes, tried to start it and the same slow start happened again, as earlier.

What the hell was that all about???????????????

Any ideas?/

c7u8

Anybody, any thoughts about this?
Regards

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[mickeystitch]

my only comment is

I thought all the wires had to be soldered together 'as one' :dunno:

Oh and when my battery went flat 'Jaws' told me to reset/remap the power commander as they tend to lose mapping and missfire all over the place, i did that and it cured it perfectly SOOOO if you have a power commander or the like ( i know a lot of the copy ones on ebay come from Greece) you might want to try that :dunno:

 

[Jaws]

I thought all the wires had to be soldered together 'as one'

Only on the bikes with a digi dash ( as in post 2001 models )

previous to that there were far more wires in the plug and they had to be split up just as Petroc has done

 

[petrosc]

I thought all the wires had to be soldered together 'as one' :dunno:

Oh and when my battery went flat 'Jaws' told me to reset/remap the power commander as they tend to lose mapping and missfire all over the place, i did that and it cured it perfectly SOOOO if you have a power commander or the like ( i know a lot of the copy ones on ebay come from Greece) you might want to try that :dunno:

Thanks for that I shall find out where it is/how you reset and try it.
Today I installed the new coils and ht leads, put the bike together took it for a ride and yes you guess it, IT MISFIRED ALL THE WAY, SOME BLUE SMOKE (UNBURNED PETROL) I think. no misfiring ave 7000rpm please wait 2 seconds for an uncompressed image, or press Ctrl+F5 for original quality page

New plugs, new ht leads, new coils, new filters all round, new oils, new new new new new, loom fix, I shall have half our in the swimming pool and wait for somebody to suggest something else, hahahaha.

Never had any trouble with a BB before. I ve had BBs for 12 years. This is incredible.

Regards

:xm

 

[taffy]

Hi Pete,

long time no speak matey,

On the slow turning starting problem run a thick wire from the battery + straight to the starter and the bike should turn over quickly without any delay. That will let you know your starter motor is ok. If it dose turn over slow then the starter is faulty or you have a bad earth.

On the misfire, sounds like you have a faulty ECM mate, have you checked for fault codes in the ECM??

Taff.

 

[petrosc]

Hi Mate

Hi Pete,

long time no speak matey,

On the slow turning starting problem run a thick wire from the battery + straight to the starter and the bike should turn over quickly without any delay. That will let you know your starter motor is ok. If it dose turn over slow then the starter is faulty or you have a bad earth.

On the misfire, sounds like you have a faulty ECM mate, have you checked for fault codes in the ECM??

Taff.

Nice to see you are al right matey. First of all I need all your contact nos, my old mobile endned up in a glass of wine, it got drunk and never worked again. So sorry I lost a lot of details of old friends.
My wheels still look fantastic.
My email pconstantopoulos@hotmail.com send me contact nos, skype, news, bla
Is misus ok? Are you still riding? Do you see the lads, I believe John (and Anya) are selling the bike, they keep in touch, do you see Mark/Lorna?

OK, back to the probs. I will try the thick wire to the starter motor.
HOW DO I GET THE CODES FROM THE ECM? If I need a dealer with a computer to plug somewhere I am stuffed......there is no proper dealership here, I ve been told. I need to take the bike to Athens, 320 klms away.

:rant:

 

[Jaws]

Ptroc, all the info is on our club site !..

Been there for about 8 years now :-0)

Here is a link for you:

EFI Fault codes and how to find them

There is no special plug in computer port on a bird.. just need a bit of bent wire ! @tu*

 

[Wolfie]

starting probs, i say starter motor.

cant help with the misfire, as i have a proper one .