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[Cougar377]

You are correct sir, it is just one long dual carriageway between 2 roundabouts.

No one stepping off a kerb. the animals are in farmland and well fenced in and the road is long with excellent forward vision

I still wouldn't have done it at 5.20 pm though :-0)

No one stepping off a kerb. - Broken down van. Driver steps out from behind van to change tyre.

the animals are in farmland and well fenced in- well maintained fences, well behaved farm animals. Yeah, right. And that includes stray dogs, pheasants, foxes....?

and the road is long with excellent forward vision - that's edging towards complacency, Noobie.

c7u8

 

[noobie]

Perhaps then I can attempt to explain a different way

coulda, woulda, shoulda or might have, could have, possibly, maybe etc but none did

On this one case, nothing happened other than he got caught and if we lived our live on what if's, then you probably wouldn't leave your house.

Not complacency at all. The case that started this thread was clear and dealt with properly, serves the twat right

But to insert the legend of "what if's" becomes the mantra of wanabee health and safety officers and becomes boring

 

[Dark Angel]

But to insert the legend of "what if's" becomes the mantra of wanabee health and safety officers and becomes boring

Yea... Boring...

Hence, hardly any views or comments...

Anyway...

Look on Google Earth for “A47 Thorney”.

Two stretches of dual carriageway, separated by roundabouts, the longest a stretch of
approximately 2.3 miles and the shorter at approximately 0.8 of a mile.

Both stretches feature opposing laybys at roughly half distance.

...Is this the place under debate?

 

[noobie]

Yep, it's know as the A47 bypass so you can see it is long, non obstructed view and no houses or driveways leading onto it. It also explains why he was a twat to do it at 5.20 pm when there was traffic around which has been said constantly

 

[Dark Angel]

See any potential hazards?

 

[noobie]

I do on that picture, absolutely. My suggestion is were I to show you a picture of the very same road say at 4am on a summers morn, then the risks would be different.

 

[Dark Angel]

They'd be less - not non-existent.

There's no time restriction on those lay-bys...

...or on the transport schedules for the wagons...

...or for you to get caught up in someone else's crash.

It's not "safe" then, is it?

Armco = “Head, Arm or Leg-CO”

Layby = “lay me to rest if he pulls out now…”

Car = half a crash – (as in car crash)

Lorry = “worry no more if he rolls over you”

Ditch = “Bitch” – (to find you if you end up in there)

Crash on a circuit and help is there immediately.

I bet crashing at 4 a.m. on an open road would be a very lonely experience, should you survive it.

 

[noobie]

again. you've gone down the what if rather than what did.

What is your point other than going around in circles of possibles rather than actuals?

 

[Dark Angel]

I think you've rather missed the point upon which Slim and I have agreed to differ.

Well, Slim - I've enjoyed the discussion up until now, but consider this:

?Speed? does not, and cannot exist as a physical entity because it?s a ?measurement?, not a ?thing?.

Therefore (if I understand your logic correctly) speed, in itself, is not ?intrinsically dangerous?. Agreed.

To insist, however, that a motorcycle, or any other vehicle, travelling at 100/160 mph on an open public road
is not ?intrinsically dangerous? is, in my opinion, the height of nonsense.

As a former DSA/Advanced Instructor myself, I find it incredible that you should hold or promote such a view.

 

[noobie]

I haven't missed the point at all I spoke on actual, you spoke on guess work, insinuation and fear of what if's to justify your stance.

Beyond that, little changes

That road is perfectly safe to do high speeds on as are quite a few. What changes is the percentage of that safety depending on a number of things all that will be assessed by the rider.

That rider was a twat to do that speed at that time of day and rightly was caught and punished.

 

[Centaur]

No one stepping off a kerb. - Broken down van. Driver steps out from behind van to change tyre.

the animals are in farmland and well fenced in- well maintained fences, well behaved farm animals. Yeah, right. And that includes stray dogs, pheasants, foxes....?

and the road is long with excellent forward vision - that's edging towards complacency, Noobie.

c7u8

Are you sure you should be riding a bike at all, Cougar? It's so risky! 8rfl@

 

[Centaur]

Yes, it is lonely waiting for help.

" bet crashing at 4 a.m. on an open road would be a very lonely experience, should you survive it".[/QUOTE]

Asleep on the back of my mate and strapped together, we went through a hedge at about 3.30am. He had fallen asleep too. A road worker spotted the gap in the hedge and found us at about 10am, twenty foot below. We both had more limbs and ribs broken than intact and his leg was badly burned on the exhaust. The bike was on top of both of us. Neither of us had a helmet on but neither of us had any head damage. 8rfl@ Speed was probably about 40mph looking at the site several months later. Safer to walk everywhere. :-0)

 

[slim63]

That made me laugh centaur 8rfl@

I had an experience of a mate falling asleep while I was on the back, this was six weeks after I had badly dislocated my shoulder at work

The first I knew was when approaching a roundabout at 60 he didn't brake then it was earth sky earth sky for a while :dunno:

I ended up sat under the foot bridge with the same shoulder dislocated again & an off duty nurse rolling me smokes for 20 minutes until the ambulance arrived

For anyone who knows it this was on the A444 as it enters Nuneaton from Coventry For those who don't its right outside the hospital & if the police who eventually arrived had let me walk I could have been in A&E in less than a minute :whi5tl:

 

[andyBeaker]

Three pages of this stuff so far.

I still haven't read anything that even remotely moves me away from my starting position I.e. Anyone who does 160 on a public road deserves everything they get. Or more in this particular case as I believe there should be mandatory custodial sentence, even if suspended.

The fact that in this case the rider didn't even see, or have time to react to,seeing, plod (who, despite claims by people who get caught generally aren't 'hiding') says it all.

Of course it is 'safe' to do 160 ...............if you get away with it, that is irrefutable. However the margins are wafer thin and why should anyone else get caught up in this craziness. Including the people who have to clear up the mess afterward, the tax payer who foots the bill, the disruption caused by road closures, the damage to the economy, etc.

Zero tolerance from me.

 

[andyBeaker]

Now here's a coincidence...... wouldn't fancy hitting this at 160.......


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-38788529

 

[noobie]

It's only a coincidence if it was on the A47 at the time the bike was.

Andy, who is a thief, someone who steals ?15 for a charity box or someone who breaks into your house and steals everything

 

[andyBeaker]

It's only a coincidence if it was on the A47 at the time the bike was.

Andy, who is a thief, someone who steals ?15 for a charity box or someone who breaks into your house and steals everything

Eh? Both thieving bastards; death penalty.

Ps I have been burgled and it is not at all nice. I would have, and still would, like five minutes with the scrote

Pps I have had a speeding ticket, average 48 in SPECS on M6 during a temporary 40mph limit on a Sunday afternoon in roadworks with nobody working in the roadworks. Felt a bit rough at the time, but at the end of the day I was speeding and took the punishment and learned a lesson, possibly the easy way.

 

[noobie]

My point is that unless you stay below 71 mph then we have all broken the law and some on the sanctimonious and pious boat should take that in hand

Look at that bastard doing 160 and breaking the law ! What do you mean my 87mph is no different?? when I break the law it's okay.

 

[slim63]

I don't know about you lot but in the unlikely event I was on the M1 doing 100+ I wouldn't hit that canoe unless it dropped off a vehicle right in front of me & I doubt many of you would either

There are a few reasons for that, lets see who can work them out :-0)

 

[Centaur]

Three pages of this stuff so far.

I still haven't read anything that even remotely moves me away from my starting position I.e. Anyone who does 160 on a public road deserves everything they get. Or more in this particular case as I believe there should be mandatory custodial sentence, even if suspended.

The fact that in this case the rider didn't even see, or have time to react to,seeing, plod (who, despite claims by people who get caught generally aren't 'hiding') says it all.

Of course it is 'safe' to do 160 ...............if you get away with it, that is irrefutable. However the margins are wafer thin and why should anyone else get caught up in this craziness. Including the people who have to clear up the mess afterward, the tax payer who foots the bill, the disruption caused by road closures, the damage to the economy, etc.

Zero tolerance from me.

I'd rather a speeding biker than a biker or banker on speed. :-0)