Teachers and Lecturers

[mick the knife]

With all this love and mutual admiration going around the thread I'm really sorry I missed the bash ! - I could have started a riot all on my own.
(and no racial comments please LOL)

Jeez, got the bloody Paddy's joining in now

Bunch of celts

:-0)

 

[Timbo2]

So if I'm a hippy liberal that must make you a fascist right.

Wrong, I'm a Tory. Oh, and there should be a comma after "fascist" and a question mark after "right".

You would no doubt be one of the first to complain if kids exam results started going down the pan, (needs a semi colon here, not a comma, tut tut) we only do as Ofsted and government dictate.

Wrong again. My concern is the increasing upward trend in pass rates when students are, very clearly, not getting any brighter. One only needs to read a communication from, or listen to most people, under thirty for this to be readily apparent.

Clearly, the dumbing down of the curriculum and exams to cover up the failings and inadequcies of some of your hippy, liberal colleagues!

Are you not aware of the basic mistakes out there? People saying "Between you and I" instead of the correct "Between you and ME" or, my personal favourite, "I could OF done that" instead of "I could HAVE done that."

Basic mistakes that even the most useless liberal hippy should have nipped in the bud at primary school!

If you're not from an alternative universe then perhaps you're from a different planet...............please stay there.

What's up, don't like reality checks? How about you try Planet Reality. Someone else had you spot on in a previous post; living the dream in Planet Dorset, was it not?

ps (PS should be in upper case) we don't do syllabii!!?? (Your punctuation really does leave a lot to be desired) when were you last near a school (Question mark here. 3/10, see me after class), get yourself into a school and spend a couple of days there and talk from recent experience rather than some ideas you got from the TV.

Presumably, kids are taught more than one subject? Each subject has it's own syllabus, the plural of which is syllabi. But you knew that, right? Maybe you're referring to curriculum.

Get myself into a school? Yeah, right. I work for a living. That said, I could probably teach the liberal hippies a thing or seventeen and possibly instill some discipline into the recalcitrant little shits that are obviously out of your control.

Ideas from the TV. As I've said on more than one occasion. I write from my experience, not someone elses. Perhaps you should learn to read.

Get real, hippy

I look forward to your next round of obfuscating drivel.

if its drivell you went, read your own post. I doubt youd have clew about disiplin, you cant use phisical violance you twunt.
and syllabuses will do nicely thank's very much

 

[Pow-Lo]

So if I'm a hippy liberal that must make you a fascist right.

Wrong, I'm a Tory. Oh, and there should be a comma after "fascist" and a question mark after "right".

You would no doubt be one of the first to complain if kids exam results started going down the pan, (needs a semi colon here, not a comma, tut tut) we only do as Ofsted and government dictate.

Wrong again. My concern is the increasing upward trend in pass rates when students are, very clearly, not getting any brighter. One only needs to read a communication from, or listen to most people, under thirty for this to be readily apparent.

Clearly, the dumbing down of the curriculum and exams to cover up the failings and inadequcies of some of your hippy, liberal colleagues!

Are you not aware of the basic mistakes out there? People saying "Between you and I" instead of the correct "Between you and ME" or, my personal favourite, "I could OF done that" instead of "I could HAVE done that."

Basic mistakes that even the most useless liberal hippy should have nipped in the bud at primary school!

If you're not from an alternative universe then perhaps you're from a different planet...............please stay there.

What's up, don't like reality checks? How about you try Planet Reality. Someone else had you spot on in a previous post; living the dream in Planet Dorset, was it not?

ps (PS should be in upper case) we don't do syllabii!!?? (Your punctuation really does leave a lot to be desired) when were you last near a school (Question mark here. 3/10, see me after class), get yourself into a school and spend a couple of days there and talk from recent experience rather than some ideas you got from the TV.

Presumably, kids are taught more than one subject? Each subject has it's own syllabus, the plural of which is syllabi. But you knew that, right? Maybe you're referring to curriculum.

Get myself into a school? Yeah, right. I work for a living. That said, I could probably teach the liberal hippies a thing or seventeen and possibly instill some discipline into the recalcitrant little shits that are obviously out of your control.

Ideas from the TV. As I've said on more than one occasion. I write from my experience, not someone elses. Perhaps you should learn to read.

Get real, hippy

if its drivell you went, read your own post. I doubt youd have clew about disiplin, you cant use phisical violance you twunt.
and syllabuses will do nicely thank's very much

I don't ever recall threatening violence, physical or otherwise. Discipline can exist without violence. If you haven't at least worked that out, maybe you should be arrested for impersonating a teacher.

Bored of you now. Sod off, dickhead.

 

[gypsy]

I don't ever recall threatening violence, physical or otherwise. Discipline can exist without violence

But its not half as much fun!:-0)

 

[Timbo2]

I don't ever recall threatening violence, physical or otherwise. Discipline can exist without violence. If you haven't at least worked that out, maybe you should be arrested for impersonating a teacher.

Bored of you now. Sod off, dickhead.

Tory boy,I suppose you've got to get back to your 'real' job, ever thought how it is that you are able to partake in this polemic, or are you entirely self taught?
Spanner.

 

[karlos2000]

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Tory boy,I suppose you've got to get back to your 'real' job, ever thought how it is that you are able to partake in this polemic, or are you entirely self taught? Spanner.

As an academic I should not be impressed with this retort, but I, as they say, lol ...... Spanner, too funny 8rfl@

 

[Pow-Lo]

Tory boy,I suppose you've got to get back to your 'real' job, ever thought how it is that you are able to partake in this polemic, or are you entirely self taught?
Spanner.

Haven't you buggered off yet?

Actually, I was taught back in a day when teachers knew what they were talking about and had a bit of life experience. They commanded and, by and large, got respect because they taught discipline as well as their respective subject(s) with authority, knowledge and experience.

They weren't clueless, pontificating, "right-on, maaan" airheads that didn't know shit from clay which, incidentally, is what you are beginning to prove about yourself with each and every post.

Do us both a favour. Put on your cap, you know, the one with the propeller on top, hop onto your step-through and piss off back to your little utopia. Helmet.

 

[karlos2000]

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They weren't clueless, pontificating, "right-on, maaan" airheads that didn't know shit from clay

my wife is a deputy headteacher, I can assure you she's none of these things. But I think the Timbo2 guy hit the nail on the head with drawing attention to your polemic [view].

spacktard. ;-0))

 

[Pow-Lo]

my wife is a deputy headteacher, I can assure you she's none of these things. But I think the Timbo2 guy hit the nail on the head with drawing attention to your polemic [view].

spacktard. ;-0))

Not once have I indicated that they are all the same; read back through my previous posts and you'll see that I've painstakingly pointed out that I'm not tarring all teachers with the same brush. That'd be pretty stupid; bit like blaming all Germans over WW II etc.

What I have repeatedly said though is that my opinions are based on the ones I've met. And, yes, some of the ones I hear about from when my niece and nephew were in school. On that basis, I'm going on experience.

I also said that the teachers in my day were proper and a lot of what they taught was based on experience.

Fuwipet :-0)

 

[Timbo2]

Not once have I indicated that they are all the same; read back through my previous posts and you'll see that I've painstakingly pointed out that I'm not tarring all teachers with the same brush. That'd be pretty stupid; bit like blaming all Germans over WW II etc.

What I have repeatedly said though is that my opinions are based on the ones I've met. And, yes, some of the ones I hear about from when my niece and nephew were in school. On that basis, I'm going on experience.

I also said that the teachers in my day were proper and a lot of what they taught was based on experience.

Fuwipet :-0)

I aint going away shit face, If you come on here and denigrate a profession I've been involved with for 30 years you can expect me to object on the grounds that your experience is not very representative, substantiated or properly informed. Anytime you want to show me how its done, go for it, always happy to learn. We work within the constraints of the law and the government (Ofsted), like to see you in front of 30 disaffected 16 year olds, please tell me how you are going to deal with the 'recalcitrant little shits' I'm all ears.

'....they taught from experience' did they, what about the 'syllabii' your so fond of, you don't imagine we teach what we want do you, or even how we want. How did they teach about the first world war in your day? from experience, what about Mendel's laws on inheritance, from experience, plate tectonics, from experience. You might be suggesting that teachers should spend time in industry, fair comment, some do, but why would you leave a better paid profession to work in teaching, were everybody lays the blame for societies ills at you feet, where there is often little on no support from parents, where you regularly get abused verbally, where you can't even hold onto a child to prevent them leaving you classroom because you want a word, and where people even slag you off on bike forums. Where governments change what you have to teach at the drop of a hat, wasting millions of pounds.
Please do tell what you do, must be something really worth while and very hard work.

Any way must go now, got some books to mark 60% of.... Love and peace man.

 

[mick the knife]

Is there any substance to the saying

"Those that can do, those that can't teach"

Just wondered like :dunno:

 

[Rick448]

I can't understand the bitching about others jobs. If you want to be a teacher then do that. If not then don't. If you don't agree with them striking then fine but it is still their right. You never know one day you might want to exercise that right. In my job I hear loads of people slagging off others in different roles and even just on other shift systems when in actual fact they have little real knowledge of what they really do.

For my 2p worth I hope the strike does some good but I seriously doubt this or any other government will ever allow a strike to be seen to be successful no matter what the cost. It shafted my job and no doubt will others in the future.

 

[derek kelly]

Is there any substance to the saying

"Those that can do, those that can't teach"

Just wondered like :dunno:

I always thought it was "Those that can, do, those that can't, get promoted" that's what my old man used to say.

 

[Pow-Lo]

Here we go.......

I aint going away shit face,

Morning hippy, I love the way you start with abuse. Classy dude, maaan.

If you come on here and denigrate a profession I've been involved with for 30 years you can expect me to object on the grounds that your experience is not very representative, substantiated or properly informed.

My experience may not be representative, I agree; I've stumbled across three, maybe four dozen teachers teachers over the years. In fairness, that probably isn't indicative of an entire profession but I can only piss with the dick I've got. Like I keep saying, I can only take as I find and I'm not tarring all with the same brush.

Listening to and reading the comments of some of your colleagues whingeing in the media does little to reverse my views though.

Anytime you want to show me how its done, go for it, always happy to learn. We work within the constraints of the law and the government (Ofsted), like to see you in front of 30 disaffected 16 year olds, please tell me how you are going to deal with the 'recalcitrant little shits' I'm all ears.

I'm hardly about to tell you how to teach. I could no more do that than you could show me better ways of doing my job in which, I would suggest, you would have no chance.

The problem element of these recalcitrant little shits is not an overnight phenomena, as you're probably only too well aware. This was going on in my day except then, there was only one twat and now there's probably 29, half of whom probably can't speak English.

This, in my view, stems from curtailing the rights of parents and teachers to deliver a well aimed slap when needed. Part of the solution may well be to bring back a clip around the ear or a stick across the arse. Physical violence? Hardly. Never did me or any of my mates any harm.

A further contributory, and more likely, factor is the non-existence of discipline at home and the breakdown (or further non-existence) of the family.

And before anyone fuckin' else starts, I'm NOT blaming marriage or relationship breakdown. What I am having a go at is something like 14 year old girls getting pregnant i.e. kids having kids. I'm referring to this "badge of honour" bullshit that seems prevalent in some sections of society, where it's deemed socially cool to father an illegitamate child then do a runner, thus leaving teenage girl to deal. I am NOT talking about the kid(s) of mum and dad who've separated after a marriage/relationship failure.

Ok, maybe the odd 14 year old girl might get unlucky after an (illegal) shag with a proper boyfriend but she may be very fortunate in that she has supportive parents - I'm not talking about these kids either.

'....they taught from experience' did they, what about the 'syllabii' your so fond of, you don't imagine we teach what we want do you, or even how we want.

Get real, hippy. Have I ever suggested that the curriculum isn't followed?

How did they teach about the first world war in your day?

You're being silly here, hippy. There were no WW I veterans teaching in my day!

from experience, what about Mendel's laws on inheritance, from experience,

The Austrian monk, Gregor Mendel was kicking around in the 19th century so I doubt he was teaching in my day either.

plate tectonics, from experience.

The theories of seafloor shifting were developed by the geoscientific community in the 50s and 60s, were they not, based on the older concepts of continental drift? I doubt those involved in those concepts would give that sort of profession up to be teachers. On that basis hippy, I would have to agree with you in that it's unlikely that this subject is taught on experience.

However, I didn't learn about that at school, so I'll have to leave that one with you maaan.

That said, my physics and chemistry teachers all had lab time prior to teaching so they taught from experience.

My language teachers had all spent at least one year working in the countries of their chosen languages. This was not just to speak the language but to learn it proper, with all the nuances and colloquialisms. Except my Welsh teachers of course. No need, English was their second language.

You might be suggesting that teachers should spend time in industry, fair comment, some do,

You not think that might be a good idea? Minimum age for a teacher set at, for example, 35? Said teacher would then have had to have had previous alternative employment, outside an educational environment. Probably not a bad thing.

but why would you leave a better paid profession to work in teaching,

Maybe it's a "calling" like the priesthood or something? I wouldn't quit what I do to teach so you tell me, hippy.

were everybody lays the blame for societies ills at you feet, where there is often little on no support from parents, where you regularly get abused verbally, where you can't even hold onto a child to prevent them leaving you classroom because you want a word,

Ok, that has to be tough. You have my sympathy on these points and these points alone.

Again, I think you have to lay the blame at successive governments and governing bodies for that one. Left wing, liberal hippies emasculating the rights of parents and teachers and giving rights to kids.

and where people even slag you off on bike forums.

No one has slagged you off as an individual. Unless, of course, you count me calling you hippy, maaan.

Where governments change what you have to teach at the drop of a hat, wasting millions of pounds.

Tell me what exactly is so unique about the teaching profession here, maaan? Have you not been paying attention to the decimation of our armed forces recently? NHS, anyone?

Please do tell what you do, must be something really worth while and very hard work.

I'm a marine consultant/surveyor following 17 years at sea, an ex-ship's captain to be precise. I've been in shipping 24 years, all my working life. Actually, it is hard work puntuated by sometimes ridiculously long hours and extended periods overseas (I'm abroad as I write, have been almost five weeks). You know what though, I don't care. Happy the man who is paid for his hobbies.

Go ahead hippy, sneer away. But before you do, take a look around your home, maaan, and stop to consider just how many of your possesions arrived in the UK by sea. Your tv, dvd player, playstation, furniture, microwave, fridge, computer, mobile phone, sunglasses, three quarters of your wardrobe? Presumably, like most hippies, you're a vegetarian so that'll be a chunk of your mung beans too. Most certainly your bike and your car, never mind the fuel that powers them. Quite possibly, even your dope stash too.

Has it not occurred to you that teachers' situation is not unique? You think yours is the only sector of the workforce that is having their pensions mullered and wages frozen or cut? Apart from bankers and a few fortunate others, this is happening across the board.

Tell me hippy, what do you think would happen if every single worker who has had their salary frozen, wages cut and/or pension plundered dropped their bat and went on strike? It's happening across the board, hence the lack of sympathy.

What do think will happen next year when the interest rates go up and mortgages subsequently follow? Belts will have to be pulled tighter; no more corduroy jackets with leather patches on the sleeves for you, young man! Again, don't expect sympathy or support when this situation is facing the vast majority of us.

Any way must go now, got some books to mark 60% of

That was happened at the school of my niece and nephew before they left one and three years ago, respectively. Why would they make stuff like that up?

.... Love and peace man.

Right on, maaan, groovy, love and peace.

 

[Timbo2]

Right on, maaan, groovy, love and peace.

Darth, missed you man, nice to see you've overcome your boredom, I do understand what it must be like, but I hope you are concentrating while driving your boat, still not feeling the love I see.
Well I'm not too impressed with your recommendations on how to improve discipline and teaching in general. We can't give em a slap, (never did me any harm....that's a classic) so what do you suggest? bearing in mind that they are 'little shites' and most of them 'can't speak English' (where does that come from fascist? showing your true colours here I suspect) I really think and old sea dog like you must have soooo much 'experience' you could do better than that.
I'm not convinced by your 'experience' argument either, you suggested earlier that we teachers all ought not to be teaching with out experience but you haven't explained how that becomes relevant to the subjects I mentioned, what should we do?
As to your suggestion that pay freezes and pension plundering is happening to a lot of people, wouldn't argue about that, but your post got a little ot didn't it, when you began slagging teachers off generally, what was the point of that, part of your macho man salty dog persona.
Why would I sneer at what you do, I don't know enough about it, although I have known a few sailors....if you know what I mean, and my uncles nieces friend once went out in a dingy, so may be I could have a pop.
Not going to.I want you to feel the love.

Hugs xx

 

[Centaur]

Holy shit maaan

What did I start?

 

[Squag1]

Jeez, got the bloody Paddy's joining in now

Bunch of celts

:-0)

SAID - no racist comments ! ! :shooter:
I know where you live
Your sister one of the Norfolk Broads ????

 

[Pow-Lo]

SAID - no racist comments ! ! :shooter:
I know where you live
Your sister one of the Norfolk Broads ????

No racist comments, my arse!

You should see the shit I get for being Welsh!

 

[Pow-Lo]

Darth,

Eh? What have I got going on with Lord Vader?

missed you man, nice to see you've overcome your boredom, I do understand what it must be like, but I hope you are concentrating while driving your boat,

Dude, I don't drive boats at work anymore as I came ashore in 2001. You really need to, like, learn to read maaan, cosmic.

still not feeling the love I see.

I'm beginning to maaan, groovy.

Well I'm not too impressed with your recommendations on how to improve discipline and teaching in general. We can't give em a slap, (never did me any harm....that's a classic) so what do you suggest?

Seriously maaan, you must have had a clip around the ear when you misbehaved at school? What harm did it do you? Maybe a little red faced if you got a slap in front of your mates, (or even worse, in front of that dirty little 4th year that would tickle your arse with a feather for ten Bensons) but do you drown puppies and burst kids balloons as a result? Probably not.

Let me put it another way, still being serious here, hippy. I heard a case where a guy was mugged, walking home late along a canal. The perpetrator took the guy's wallet and gave him a real, and I mean real, hiding. He reportedly said to his victim, words to the effect of "I may as well chuck you in the canal and finish you off. I'll be out in 8 years if I behave." Do you think he would have done that if there was a length of 18mm manila rope with a noose in the end waiting for him? I very much doubt it.

There has to be a deterrent; if there's a serious one, people tend to behave. Kids are no different.

You ever been to Singapore, maaan? Police state but safe as houses. You can't even chew gum in public without getting your boney arse lashed with a big stick.

bearing in mind that they are 'little shites' and most of them 'can't speak English' (where does that come from fascist? showing your true colours here I suspect)

Fascist? Not cool, maaan, not cool.

Tell you where that came from; I went past my old comprehensive in Cardiff a few months ago, during school kicking out time. Indigenous, white kids were out numbered by about seven to one. I kid thee not. I'd guess at about 90% of the majority were from the sub-continent and at least half of those were muslims. Not cooool, maaan. They were jabbering away in whatever mother tongue they use; fair enough but in certain subjects where the ironies of the English language need to be understood, technical English needs to be learned and grasped, these kids will almost certainly hold the natives back. You must have heard about parents and teachers alike complaining that their kids are getting held back because the classes are full of immigrants (mostly east Europeans if memory serves) and their English is best described as poor.

Fascist, maaan? Realistic maaan, telling it like it reportedly is in some areas and exactly like it is in my old school. Again being serious, I would imagine you have less of a problem with that sort of thing in Dorset from what I've seen of the place.


I really think and old sea dog like you must have soooo much 'experience' you could do better than that.

I actually do have a lot of experience. Which part you want to know about, duuude?

I'm not convinced by your 'experience' argument either, you suggested earlier that we teachers all ought not to be teaching with out experience but you haven't explained how that becomes relevant to the subjects I mentioned, what should we do?

Ok, partly got me on that one. Certain academic subjects might better be taught by someone who has practical experience in the particular field. Physics taught by a physicist etc. Ok, so that won't work in all subjects; I mean, you could try get a Ouija board to see if Vladimir Illyich Ulyanov could give you his take on the Russian revolution but I suspect the old poof would be a bit biased?

As to your suggestion that pay freezes and pension plundering is happening to a lot of people, wouldn't argue about that, but your post got a little ot didn't it,

A little "ot"? Can't really answer that one, hippy; not sure what you mean, maaan.

when you began slagging teachers off generally, what was the point of that, part of your macho man salty dog persona.

I didn't slag teachers off in general other than saying that its hard to sympathise when the vast majority of people are feeling the same pinch. That is not slagging teachers off, hippy, that's stating fact.

<O</OOr maybe you refer to the part where I said about left wing, liberal hippies emasculating parents and teachers rights. Nope, not that time either. I was referring to successive governing bodies or quangos and governments in general.

<O</ONot a macho man either, sorry.

Why would I sneer at what you do, I don't know enough about it, although I have known a few sailors....if you know what I mean, and my uncles nieces friend once went out in a dingy, so may be I could have a pop.

Must admit, I was expecting a retaliation for my having a pop at SOME teachers but I assumed wrongly. My bad, not cool, sorry, maaan.

<O</OI've sailed on and had command of slightly bigger stuff than dinghies, but there we go.

Not going to.I want you to feel the love.

Hugs xx

Wow maaan, I'm feeling the love, far out. Love, peace and hugs xx

 

[derek kelly]

Darth, missed you man, nice to see you've overcome your boredom, I do understand what it must be like, but I hope you are concentrating while driving your boat, still not feeling the love I see.
Well I'm not too impressed with your recommendations on how to improve discipline and teaching in general. We can't give em a slap, (never did me any harm....that's a classic) so what do you suggest? bearing in mind that they are 'little shites' and most of them 'can't speak English' (where does that come from fascist? showing your true colours here I suspect) I really think and old sea dog like you must have soooo much 'experience' you could do better than that.
I'm not convinced by your 'experience' argument either, you suggested earlier that we teachers all ought not to be teaching with out experience but you haven't explained how that becomes relevant to the subjects I mentioned, what should we do?
As to your suggestion that pay freezes and pension plundering is happening to a lot of people, wouldn't argue about that, but your post got a little ot didn't it, when you began slagging teachers off generally, what was the point of that(question mark), part of your macho man salty dog persona.
Why would I sneer at what you do, I don't know enough about it, although I have known a few sailors....if you know what I mean, and my uncle(apostrophe)s niece(apostrophe)s friend once went out in a dingy, so may be I could have a pop.
Not going to.I want you to feel the love.

Hugs xx

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