Teachers and Lecturers

[derek kelly]

I think the bottom line is that if you are unhappy in your job then try to better yourself in any way you can. If ultimately this means leaving then maybe that's the answer.

If only life were that simple, I joined the Prison service in 1980 & really enjoyed going to work, brilliant colleagues, brilliant job pay wasn't brilliant but there was plenty of overtime so we were happy & the Government were happy as paying us overtime was cheaper than employing more officers.
Fast forward now to 1987 when they introduced fresh start & made all sorts of promises all of which were broken.
Now here comes the part where I think "this is pissing me off maybe I should leave the service" but I had a young family to consider so personal job satisfaction came second in my thinking.
Before the Prison service I was a radio operator in the RN (join the forces & learn a trade) there was no call for radio operators in the civilian world apart from working as an ATC at Heathrow or Gatwick & there was no way I could uproot my family to move to London.
People are still joining the public sector & expecting promises to be kept, now ask yourself this, if you were an employer & you broke every promise made to your employees, would you expect to get away with it?
If you changed the contracts of your employees without their consent, would you get away with it?
would you get away with running three different pensions schemes side by side?
We have been putting up with Government bullshit since 1987 & we are saying "No more"

 

[Rick448]

Believe me Derek I know all about that. I joined the Fire Service in 1985 and have seen the conditions eroded ever since. It is still a good job and certainly better than most. But if the strike taught me anything it is that the media and govt will try to destroy you and uninformed members of the public will join in the campaign to hate you. Mostly out of jealousy and misinformation. I don't envy anyone striking and I just hope they have thought long and hard before following the mighty union leaders!

 

[karlos2000]

I agree with Derek 100%.
There's a first. But if i see that ladyparts Danny Alexander anytime soon i'll smack the twat. Just seen him on the Beeb and he was live from Leeds. Over to you Derek to track the ginger twat down. :wank:

 

[rovinghawk]

We have been putting up with Government bullshit since 1987 & we are saying "No more"

If you go on strike, will the prisoners come out in sympathy?

FYI, the various governments have promised me & many others a pension at 65 & charged me national insurance for it; that pension age has changed due to a change of circumstances. Whilst I don't like it, I understand why & know there's little alternative.

I'd like various on the state payroll to man up a little & accept reality; the promises made were based on lower longevity and therefore must change. It's not a difficult concept.

RH

 

[Rheumatoid]

If you go on strike, will the prisoners come out in sympathy?

FYI, the various governments have promised me & many others a pension at 65 & charged me national insurance for it; that pension age has changed due to a change of circumstances. Whilst I don't like it, I understand why & know there's little alternative.

I'd like various on the state payroll to man up a little & accept reality; the promises made were based on lower longevity and therefore must change. It's not a difficult concept.

RH

Sigh, public sector workers are similarly affected by the changes in state pensions. We are getting hit twice.

 

[Pugwash]

As we are a lilly livered leftie tree hugging nation and we have allowed ourselves to have a very top heavy social fund.
A big inroads into solving this situation would destroy a politians career, should any of the nest building cowards discover the balls to speak out.

Carousel! Carousel! Carousel!

 

[Rheumatoid]

I agree with Derek 100%.
There's a first. But if i see that ladyparts Danny Alexander anytime soon i'll smack the twat. Just seen him on the Beeb and he was live from Leeds. Over to you Derek to track the ginger twat down. :wank:

+1, classic slime ball career politician never done a days proper work in his life. In it for personal gain and power and pontificating about how we we should be shat on in the name of fairness.

R.

 

[Rheumatoid]

Wouldn't usually agree with Harriet Harman but she did have him sussed 8rfl@

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORC1Dx_W1MM&feature=player_embedded#at=15

R.

 

[rovinghawk]

Sigh, public sector workers are similarly affected by the changes in state pensions. We are getting hit twice.

Sigh- tough when you get two pensions, isn't it?

RH

 

[Rheumatoid]

Sigh- tough when you get two pensions, isn't it?

RH

most people who have worked hard and invested for their future have.

 

[rovinghawk]

I have three plus my rental properties- I wasn't debating from a position of jealousy, I was pointing out that two pensions doesn't put you in a position where you might expect sympathy from the masses who are less well-off.

I go back to the original point that pension provision must change 'cos folks are living longer and the old system can't work.

RH

 

[Rheumatoid]

I have three plus my rental properties- I wasn't debating from a position of jealousy, I was pointing out that two pensions doesn't put you in a position where you might expect sympathy from the masses who are less well-off.

I go back to the original point that pension provision must change 'cos folks are living longer and the old system can't work.

RH

a lot of people on public sector pensions are not well off. I go back to my point that we are easy targets and that we are being hit twice. My private pension is not being interfered with because the ginger tosser and his crones can't get at it directly - although I admit share values haven't helped it and it wouldn't surprise me to see some of the associated tax breaks fiddled with.

I won't really be affected much as I'm close to retirement but I do think it is a little unjust particularly those earlier on in public service who will be hit most. New entrants will know what they are getting in to and will have time to compensate if they wish.

However, the population that is living longer will have people on markedly poorer T&C's looking after them who will likely be less skilled and dedicated if they bother to enter the profession at all.

R.

 

[Duck n Dive]

People are still joining the public sector & expecting promises to be kept, now ask yourself this, if you were an employer & you broke every promise made to your employees, would you expect to get away with it?
If you changed the contracts of your employees without their consent, would you get away with it?
would you get away with running three different pensions schemes side by side?

Sadly Derek that's exactly what has been happening in the private sector now for the last 20 years or so.


I do agree that it's not pleasant, fair or right.


It's a matter of routine for contracts to be "annulled or changed".


In the most recent round (two years ago) I lost a big chunk of leave as my employer decided to reduce everyone to the lowest leave level - my 15 years accrued leave vanished at a stroke.

Pay while off sick was halved and many other contractural rights negotiated over many years were removed at a stroke.

Additional pay for bank holidays was removed .. in effect bank holidays were "abolished" apart from Christmas and New Year.

We are expecting annother round of this within the next 12th months.

This time it's expected the changes will result in us having to re-apply for our jobs...... that was the threat used last time to get us to agree the changes ... if we didn't they'd simply bring forward the "nuclear option".

This exercise is a way of achieving a reduction in the numbers of staff the easy way.



Sadly it's what passes these days for "managing".



Business no longer increase/maintain profits by improving/producing/selling more.

You do it by improving "efficiency" ... and for most the sinlge biggest "overhead" is staff costs.... so that's where you go to make more money ... as in leave more in the pot for profit.


It's a sympton of the UK business inability to think long term and instead focus on short terms results and immediate quick resulst so the decision makers can make their bonuses.


In our company those tasked with forcing through these changes get bonuses of 10% to 30% of their salary for achieving their tasks in the "re-alignment" program.



:cry:



There has also been a very succesful social engineering process achieved by all recent govts. to condition the population to accept this stuff.


They've succesfully created a culture of envy etc., so instead of thinking how bad it is that folks are being treated poorly we start thinking "well if I've had to go through it why should they get away with it.




:dunno:

 

[Centaur]

a lot of people on public sector pensions are not well off. I go back to my point that we are easy targets and that we are being hit twice. My private pension is not being interfered with because the ginger tosser and his crones can't get at it directly - although I admit share values haven't helped it and it wouldn't surprise me to see some of the associated tax breaks fiddled with.

I won't really be affected much as I'm close to retirement but I do think it is a little unjust particularly those earlier on in public service who will be hit most. New entrants will know what they are getting in to and will have time to compensate if they wish.

However, the population that is living longer will have people on markedly poorer T&C's looking after them who will likely be less skilled and dedicated if they bother to enter the profession at all.
R.

Funny that..... record levels of peeps wanting to be teachers or any other job they can get in the public sector!:-0)

 

[Timbo2]

In the 70's a teacher retired at 65 and was dead by 70. Now we are all living much longer and the money has to come from the taxpayer who is already struggling.

I've read that he life expectancy of a teacher retiring at 65 is 18 months!

 

[Rick448]

"They've succesfully created a culture of envy etc., so instead of thinking how bad it is that folks are being treated poorly we start thinking "well if I've had to go through it why should they get away with it."

Absolutely correct. Lets all work for the minimum wage, have no job benefits or bonuses (for those that get them) work until we are 90 and then we will all be happy.

Also oddly as a public sector worker i pay tax. Maybe the solution is to get rid of all public sector workers and put them on the dole then the "taxpayer" can pay for their benefits and pension without actually getting any public services. And whilst i'm sure many will say great i dont use any public services it may come as a surprise what you'd miss.

Like the pensioner interviewed the other night on TV who wanted to stop all free benefits. But she got a shock when she would lose her bus pass, pension, free prescritions etc.

 

[Rheumatoid]

Funny that..... record levels of peeps wanting to be teachers or any other job they can get in the public sector!:-0)

yes and I can assure you most of them aren't the brightest or most dedicated bunch you will ever come across

 

[Bodmin]

One advantage that Public sector pensions have over private sector (not talking about state pension)is that there is a bit of security in knowing that there will be a pension when people retire. I worked for a company for 15 years, and paid into the company pension scheme for the whole period. The company was a victim of recession, and closed down. The pension fund was considered part of the companies assets, and used to pay off creditors. The members of the scheme (except those already claiming the pension) who paid into the scheme lost all entitlement to the pension, and ended up with nothing. This can't happen to Public sector schemes.

I do though have (hopefully) a public sector pension when I retire (Duck & Dive,Yes, I was a Civil Servant...lol!)

 

[Duck n Dive]

.........(Duck & Dive,Yes, I was a Civil Servant...lol!)

As was I once upon a time !!


I can well remember being told pay rise would be something like 2% one year as the govt. needed to set an example to industry .... nothing changes...

One of my colleagues at the time was getting income support at the time as he was married with one kid.

I called it a day and left ... tripled my salary overnight.


The perceived advantage of the civil service was job security and the pension .... once they are removed, the wages are crap so it heads downhill.

 

[Timbo2]

yes and I can assure you most of them aren't the brightest or most dedicated bunch you will ever come across

On what do you base this assumption?