Teachers and Lecturers

[Centaur]

What the feck makes these peeps think they should not feel the economic pain everyone else (except bankers) is going through. The biggest part of the Education budget is retired teachers pensions. Time these prats came into the real world! Final salary schemes are all but gone in the private sector and if these tw*ts think they will have public support they should think again. Teachers lost the respect of pupils the first time they went on strike in the 60s. Pupils then thought these peeps are just like my Dad. Work for as much as they can get. Profession? Bollox!:wank:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13761147

 

[karlos2000]

what utter bollocks. Kill ALL Tories & double my fucking pension. NOW.

Fuck everyone else. What's the point of my expensive education if I have to put up with a low rent Ford Escort pension?

not that I feel too strongly about it :-D

just my 2 cents like.

I have 2 Uni lectures on Thursday & Friday, I wonder what the mood will be?

AND I expect to spend my retirement in thigh length lizard skin boots

 

[Timbo2]

What the feck makes these peeps think they should not feel the economic pain everyone else (except bankers) is going through. The biggest part of the Education budget is retired teachers pensions. Time these prats came into the real world! Final salary schemes are all but gone in the private sector and if these tw*ts think they will have public support they should think again. Teachers lost the respect of pupils the first time they went on strike in the 60s. Pupils then thought these peeps are just like my Dad. Work for as much as they can get. Profession? Bollox!:wank:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13761147

F1sh1ingWhat a really well informed contribution to the debate:wank:

 

[Stevebrooke]

Final salary pensions are all but gone - that's the decision of the pension providers. All we need to do now is get rid of them in the public sector and the private providers can breathe easily knowing they are absolved of the responsibility of having to pay out the decent pensions they CAN afford but don't want to. The financiers win again:wank:ers

It's just another example of the greedy finance industry taking your money and not wanting to give it back.

 

[bmwdumptruck]

Well my other half is a college lecturer, she works 2 and a half days a week, yet spends most of the other 2 and a half days and most evenings marking and preparing lessons. Something thats pretty common to most teachers and lecturers, so for me they can fight for as much bloody pension as they can get their hands on. Most don't live long enough to enjoy it anyway.
My other half wants to go back to full time from september, god knows why, all she'll end up doing is working from 9 - 11 just about 7 days and end up making herself ill again, but what do I now after 11 years with her. Like most, SHE LOVES DOING IT. :bow:

 

[Jaws]

Funny that, my first reaction was 'ahh,, some more people who think they are special'

As the man says, its their career choice. If they dont like it change their job

A whole raft of people are having to take pay cuts and do a bit of belt tightening..

I made my way up to management of Fords way back when, left cos I could not stick the tossers who called themselves union officials and had the guys out on strike all the time..

THAT was my career choice.. and to be honest I never looked back

 

[Timbo2]

Its very easy to hit the hyperbole button and make uninformed comments for effect without knowing the full story.
Olnly NUT and ATL unions going on strike, ATL have never been on strike before, that should give you an idea as to how strongly people feel. NASUWT the biggest union is not on strike.

I don't think teachers pensions are paid from the Education Budget, the government decided not to create a pension fund for some reason so there is no pot of money, the government under write it.

Most of us entered the profession knowing that the pay was crap, but to balance that there would be a half decent pension so its understandable that people should feel the need to exercise their legal right to strike particularly when this government is doing its best to screw state education, and turn us all in to Academies (private schools).

I doubt any teacher wants to strike, but they have a right to

 

[Rheumatoid]

What the feck makes these peeps think they should not feel the economic pain everyone else (except bankers) is going through. The biggest part of the Education budget is retired teachers pensions. Time these prats came into the real world! Final salary schemes are all but gone in the private sector and if these tw*ts think they will have public support they should think again. Teachers lost the respect of pupils the first time they went on strike in the 60s. Pupils then thought these peeps are just like my Dad. Work for as much as they can get. Profession? Bollox!:wank:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13761147

TWOT, WUNKER, ladyparts, Horse face:-0)

 

[Centaur]

Its very easy to hit the hyperbole button and make uninformed comments for effect without knowing the full story.
Olnly NUT and ATL unions going on strike, ATL have never been on strike before, that should give you an idea as to how strongly people feel. NASUWT the biggest union is not on strike.

I don't think teachers pensions are paid from the Education Budget, the government decided not to create a pension fund for some reason so there is no pot of money, the government under write it.
Yes they are I'm afraid.

Most of us entered the profession knowing that the pay was crap, but to balance that there would be a half decent pension so its understandable that people should feel the need to exercise their legal right to strike particularly when this government is doing its best to screw state education, and turn us all in to Academies (private schools).

In this area a teachers's salary is fecking GOOD!
All superannuation schemes are unfunded. Only in the private sector are final salary schemes funded.......nearly!:-0)

I doubt any teacher wants to strike, but they have a right to

Agreed but I still maintain that is how teachers in the main lost the respect of pupils and the community who had previously thought of them as special!:cry: I am not anti teachers and lecturers but don't believe they are a special case. We all have to suffer and to be asked to pay more is not unreasonable. In the 70's a teacher retired at 65 and was dead by 70. Now we are all living much longer and the money has to come from the taxpayer who is already struggling.

 

[Rheumatoid]

Agreed but I still maintain that is how teachers in the main lost the respect of pupils and the community who had previously thought of them as special!:cry: I am not anti teachers and lecturers but don't believe they are a special case. We all have to suffer and to be asked to pay more is not unreasonable. In the 70's a teacher retired at 65 and was dead by 70. Now we are all living much longer and the money has to come from the taxpayer who is already struggling.

They are a special case. they are an easy target as the govt is their paymaster. I agree we all need to suffer to pay for the wankers mistakes but lets do it equitably and proportionately through direct taxation for instance.

 

[Pugwash]

I know my wife had a full timetable from the day she began her training to the day she became fully qualified. It wasn't a 9-5 job, more like 8 to 8.
The more questionable practises are where a new head teacher can enter a school position and bring in all his mates and previous employees. They can give them higher wages and invent reasons for them. They can even put classroom support staff in charge of a class and pay them a full teacher's wage without having to put them through training.

Our kids are days away from finishing school luckily. In fact only one of them has any exams left to take. @tu*

 

[DEG5Y]

I don't think its a case of teachers feeling special its more a case of their union is big enough as a unit to make themselves heard.

I myself am currently paying into a final salary pension, the 'company' decided to change the pension to a purchase one to all new employees, OK so far.

But the final salary pension now only has 170 people paying into it and a lot more drawing out. SO when the company decides its no longer viable and decides 'thats it' and the 170 people of which only 70 are in the union (high percentage staff and too scared (literally) to join the union) asks UNITE for support, it is highly unlikely that every Unite member is going to take action in support of 70 people. A lot of them will just turn around (as they have already been forced into a purchase scheme) and say, as people have here "What makes them think they're special.

All goes back to Maggie!!!

 

[rovinghawk]

All goes back to Maggie!!!

So you think she's responsible for folks living longer? It's not about politics, it's about longevity.

People live longer now, therefore pensions will be paid for longer, therefore more has to go in or less per annum has to come out or retirement ages have to rise.

It's so very, very simple. Complaining & striking won't alter these very basic facts.

RH

 

[DEG5Y]

Yes your right, people are living longer.

But what Maggie did was destroy Britains industries. Britain has become a call centre nation. By destrying the industry that built the nation she put so many people out of work that had been paying into pension schemes (after all thats what this thread was about) that said pension schemes became top heavy.








p0pc0rn41

 

[Centaur]

Yes your right, people are living longer.

But what Maggie did was destroy Britains industries. Britain has become a call centre nation. By destrying the industry that built the nation she put so many people out of work that had been paying into pension schemes (after all thats what this thread was about) that said pension schemes became top heavy.








p0pc0rn41

The coal industry???? We are a call centre nation because manufacturers can find people to work for a lot less money than we are willing to do. The car industry was ruined by lazy buggers who did not want to do a days work for a days pay and didn't give a shit about quality! Remember the car workers who took their sleeping bags in on night shift?

 

[rovinghawk]

The car industry was ruined by lazy buggers who did not want to do a days work for a days pay and didn't give a shit about quality!

Don't you realise the importance of blaming someone else for one's problems? Maggie is a convenient figure for hatred, so don't you dare try to bring facts into the debate.

RH

 

[rovinghawk]

But what Maggie did was destroy Britains industries.

Can you please back that statement up with anything resembling proof?
The likes of Rover were destroying themselves (bad/weak management and lazy workforce) without any help. I CAN back that statement up should you ask.

If you want to have a go about politics within pension provision, ask about Brown removing 4 billion pounds per annum from pension funding when he abolished dividend tax credit. If you can successfully blame that on Maggie I'll grovel at your feet.

RH

 

[richard]

Thank christ we have got 6 weeks off soon



Lights the touch paper



8rfl@

R

 

[mick the knife]

As we are a lilly livered leftie tree hugging nation and we have allowed ourselves to have a very top heavy social fund.
A big inroads into solving this situation would destroy a politians career, should any of the nest building cowards discover the balls to speak out.

 

[Rick448]

I think it's irrelevant whether they have public support or not. It's always easy to knock others jobs and complain that other people get this or that. I think the bottom line is that if you are unhappy in your job then try to better yourself in any way you can. If ultimately this means leaving then maybe that's the answer. But in my experience striking will not win anything and the govt will not let any public sector union to be seen to win. I think that they should have the right to strike and I'm sure they won't do it lightly. When I was on strike is was the worst part of my working life and I'd never repeat it.