Sorry to the guyswho are job on here but..

[Sulley]

We all know that if it had been a young teen driving that car then he would have been charged at the scene, or very soon afterwards, with one of the more serious charges.

Anytime you want to join us back on this planet we're all here waiting for you.

Rob,

Not being funny, but have you ever tried to get someone charged?

There is no fcuking way on Gods green earth you can charge someone on the scene!

Firstly they'd have to be arrested, booked into a custody suite, interviewed, with their lawyer, cos they always lawyer up, then go no cmment, then you'd have to bail them to await a meeting, and yes I do mean a meeting with CPS (Can't Prosecute Service, Completely Pointless System, etc) then they'd look at which offence would get the job through court quicker, with as little cost to the taxpayer as possible, then the person might or might not return to answer their bail, then you'd have to carry out enquiries to find where they've gone, then you have to nick them for failing to answer bail, if they hadn't turned up, then maybe then you'd be able to charge them.

Now about this planet thing. I know how the system works and Morth is definately on this planet.

I'm not biting, I just can't see the point in you having a go.

It is tragic that this young girl lost her life, but, I don't think ANYONE has the right to blame anyone until the investigation is complete.

And before you start with "HE'S ONE OF YOURS, HE'LL BE LOOKED AFTER", the investigation will be handled by the IPCC, who are TOTALLY 100% independant of the Police. So no, he won't be "looked after"

The chief constable won't answer the questions, so as not to taint any investigation.

 

[Demonbane]

morphgarth

points scoring exercises?

since when has stating something which clearly is being treated differently because of who was involved a point scoring excercise?

i dont need points, especially on a Forum!

but, if i did, i spent 12 years in the royal navy

i have a falklands medal, and a gulf campaign medal.i have seen people shot for no reason except for being in the wrong place.
i had someone die in my arms, so i am no stranger to most things that happen in this fucked up world of ours.

my house is a nightly coffee shop to the boys in blue around here, my best mate is a dog handler,
and funnily enough,
he agrees that the copper should have been arrested and charged.

 

[Jaws]

Good grief..
I give up... Talk about grab hold of a concept and rag it to death !
It is / was not about small plates.. It was about prioritys..

Sulley, Been there done that which is why I feel I can say what I say..

The woodentops are doing as they are told, by people who are set targets, by people with lots of scrambled egg,who are issued directives by people who aint got a fookin clue !

If you are presently a bobby and your argument for doing such things is ' I am following orders' then you have two choices.
Leave

or

Take the critisism levelled at the organisation and pass it on to your reps cos ultimately this sort of thing is bringing the job into disrepute which taken to its logical conclusion puts YOU guys and gals at a higher risk from a public who are slowly getting more anti as the years go by

There is no defence against small mindedness.. I have never once met a copper who joined the force for the power and the glory ( basically cos there aint any.. ask anyone who has been sicked on by a drunken TWAT on a Saturday night ) so trying to defend poorly thought out actions is really beneath all of you !

Anyways I have lost interest in it all now ( having slept and got older and lost brain cells )

 

[derek kelly]

( having slept and got older and lost brain cells )

Could they be with the deleted that you've lost? :dunno:

 

[Jono]

morphgarth

points scoring exercises?

since when has stating something which clearly is being treated differently because of who was involved a point scoring excercise?

i dont need points, especially on a Forum!

but, if i did, i spent 12 years in the royal navy

i have a falklands medal, and a gulf campaign medal.i have seen people shot for no reason except for being in the wrong place.
i had someone die in my arms, so i am no stranger to most things that happen in this fucked up world of ours.

my house is a nightly coffee shop to the boys in blue around here, my best mate is a dog handler,
and funnily enough,
he agrees that the copper should have been arrested and charged.

DB if your an ex matelot then you'll know about rumour H.Q., buzzes etc, and know better than to believe what is printed in the press, or what a "witness at the scene is quoted as saying", if it's all true then the guys in the kak, but lets wait for the investigation before we all wade in, unless you witnessed it first hand? And believe me if he was at fault he will be treated as anyone else would be, possibly more harshly.

 

[rovinghawk]

cos they always lawyer up

Tell me honestly that the guy who hit & killed the girl won't be benefitting from legal advice...............

It is tragic that this young girl lost her life, but, I don't think ANYONE has the right to blame anyone until the investigation is complete.

After the facts are properly established I ,for one, wish to see any guilty parties treated identically to a non-police individual committing the same offence.

the investigation will be handled by the IPCC, who are TOTALLY 100% independant of the Police.

It's a good thing this wasn't in london- Ian Blair has previously tried to exclude them from investigating police-caused fatalities. This might tie in with the comment about strange police priorities and waning public support.

The chief constable won't answer the questions, so as not to taint any investigation.

I'll be curious as to whether he comments AFTER the investigation, other than platitudes, "lessons have been learned" and promises of "an urgent review".

btw- The armed forces are not subject to the same criminal penalties. The courts martial and the prison at Colchester are two prominent examples.

RH

 

[Pugwash]

Good grief..
...slept and got older and lost brain cells...

Too much time spent flat on your back with alky-hol in the garden I think.

 

[Jaws]

Ahhh.. indeed you could be on the money there !

 

[derek kelly]

If the police force is anything like the Prison service, the Officer will face a trial, if he is cleared of that he will then face an internal investigation, if he is cleared of that someone will spread a rumour about him & he will face another internal investigation probably taking a minimum of three years.
I don't know the facts of the case, I haven't even been bothered reading what the press are saying about it, all I will say is guilty or not he is in for a rocky ride over the next few years.

 

[chuffmeister]

Oh and a View from outside the box . .. . .


No matter what happens to him " OFFICIALLY "

he has to Live with the fact he killed someone - something that will be with him for the rest of his life. Summat I wouldnt want thats for sure.

Just a viewpoint - Nowt more.

 

[rovinghawk]

he has to Live with the fact he killed someone - something that will be with him for the rest of his life. Summat I wouldnt want thats for sure.

For every action there is a price- any guilt he feels is because he did what he did rather than 'act of god', so I find it hard to be sympathetic.

RH

 

[Nigel Newman]

Oh fekin yawn, that's the first time I've heard that old chestnut.
So when you were a postie you didn't eat.....at all.
The police officers who do 9/10/12 hour shifts should'nt eat when on duty?
Why do you think, in this day and age when if you sneeze the wrong way you are investigated and disciplined, they would put their emergency equipment on to get to a breakfast and face the sack if caught? Do you really believe that!

Actually I wasn't in there eating - I was delivering the fuckin' mail! And no I didn't eat on duty, I got on with the job and took my meal break in the office like everyone else. And we were NOT allowed to scoot off en masse to the local caff.

 

[Jono]

Actually I wasn't in there eating - I was delivering the fuckin' mail! And no I didn't eat on duty, I got on with the job and took my meal break in the office like everyone else. And we were NOT allowed to scoot off en masse to the local caff.

I didn't say you were in there eating. I said you didn't eat at all during your tour.
I take it during your meal break at the office you are "Off duty".

It must be nice to know you can get back to the office for a meal break and be considered "off duty", if the cops do it the public want to know why there are no cops around, (Not many anyway). Most stations have no canteen facilities therefore they tend to "dine out" and in fact are encouraged to do that. Most of the public have no problem with that.
I have lost count of the amount of meals I have binned to go to a call, contrary to popular belief we don't say, "no sorry just started a meal, get someone else".
Don't tarnish us all with the same brush g0551p

 

[R2B2]

There is no fcuking way on Gods green earth you can charge someone on the scene!

I find it odd that you should say that. A Monmouth man was recently involved in a traffic accident that killed a 53 year old man. He was charged at the scene with causing death by dangerous driving. I learned this from one of his close relatives, whom I happen to know.

the investigation will be handled by the IPCC, who are TOTALLY 100% independent of the Police

Ahh... sorry, but that really DOESN'T fill me with confidence!!

 

[morphgarth]

I find it odd that you should say that. A Monmouth man was recently involved in a traffic accident that killed a 53 year old man. He was charged at the scene with causing death by dangerous driving. I learned this from one of his close relatives, whom I happen to know.


Ahh... sorry, but that really DOESN'T fill me with confidence!!

R2B2, I don't doubt what you've been told but it's not possible to "charge" someone at the scene. To a degree it's semantics (if that's how you spell it) but a lot of the public confuse charge and arrest. One of the many issues that precludes this is the need to gather evidence, interview etc before a charging decision is made. If you charge prior to this you then can't interview. There are a whole raft of practical considerations which also preclude it. The process changed again a few years ago with CPS statutory charging which removed the decision to charge from the Police in all but a handful of cases.

 

[R2B2]

Fair enough. She must have told me wrong then. As you said, it was probably the arrest she was on about.

 

[Duck n Dive]

I have lost count of the amount of meals I have binned to go to a call, contrary to popular belief we don't say, "no sorry just started a meal, get someone else".

Now, now calm down ... deep breaths ...............p0pc0rn41





As it happens I work in a job that works exactly the same ...... in the event of an emergency (and even situations not defined as emergency) I am required to immediatly stop my break, leave my food and dash off to said event.................

It goes with terrority d34l

 

[karlos2000]

well, sorry

you can't pick and choose which laws to obey .......... break the law, suffer the consequences, simple really, dont get it? then get an education, it's free in this country:wank:. My number plate is a legal size, coz, I'm not a twat ..... plus, I'm a grown up and have more than an iota of common sense .........

bl4hbl4h boring "woe is me" bollocks as usual ........

 

[Jono]

Now, now calm down ... deep breaths ...............p0pc0rn41





As it happens I work in a job that works exactly the same ...... in the event of an emergency (and even situations not defined as emergency) I am required to immediatly stop my break, leave my food and dash off to said event.................

It goes with terrority d34l

Bit like indigestion. :-0) sp1ttt3

 

[Nick from the nick]

I didn't say you were in there eating. I said you didn't eat at all during your tour.
I take it during your meal break at the office you are "Off duty".

It must be nice to know you can get back to the office for a meal break and be considered "off duty", if the cops do it the public want to know why there are no cops around, (Not many anyway). Most stations have no canteen facilities therefore they tend to "dine out" and in fact are encouraged to do that. Most of the public have no problem with that.
I have lost count of the amount of meals I have binned to go to a call, contrary to popular belief we don't say, "no sorry just started a meal, get someone else".
Don't tarnish us all with the same brush g0551p

Same for us screws i have worked in the uk and now in new zealand prisons and its simple for us that travel to work no paid meal breaks and no canteen and unless your 5 minutes from home bring your own food. So the point of you woodentops going to the cafe i just wish i could do the same:cry: