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Will it be A Russian Christmas?

slim63

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I was quite surprised that the B52s were using call signs of Hate11, Hate12 etc.

I don't think I've ever seen that sort of call sign beforehand.
I don't have a clue about the call signs but B52's have been flying in and out regularly since the 50's, I think the fact that its in the news is more to do with media hype as anything else as its not unusual at all, more than anything else the media are in danger of giving Putin an excuse for invading the Ukraine

When it comes down to it even with all the modern upgrades in electronics etc what the B52 is good at is being big, heavy, flying high and being imposing none of which is a serious threat to the ruski's
 

Duck n Dive

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The B52's are more for show... Look at us, we're serious, etc. The real air assets have been here and elsewhere around various NATO bases for a while now.

The sneaky beakys started before the B52s and have continued.

The B52s recently arriving are over and above normal assets. These are normally USA based units.

The B52 bottom line is the ability to deliver a nuclear payload . That's a stand off delivery, a normal payload delivery wouldn't see them survive against the Russian equipment.
 

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The sneaky beakys started before the B52s and have continued.

The B52s recently arriving are over and above normal assets. These are normally USA based units.

The B52 bottom line is the ability to deliver a nuclear payload . That's a stand off delivery, a normal payload delivery wouldn't see them survive against the Russian equipment.
Bang on. Put B52's in the skies over Europe and it'll be raining aircrew in very short order.
 

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I hope NATO isn’t looking to this site for strategic advice :facepalm:
 

Duck n Dive

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I hope NATO isn’t looking to this site for strategic advice :facepalm:

For the B52s they have limited uses.

The usual high altitude blanket bombing in this case would be useless, it only works when the other side lack the ability to reach them.

The other (hopefully likely) use is that its just assets waiving.

The hopefully unlikely use is to launch nukes - not the drop a bomb type, they're old fashioned now.
It uses the ALCM of which the latest variety is a new LRSO.
These can be used as "battfield" devices with lower and confined area yields.

Don't forget NATO strategy during the cold war included use of battlefield nukes as the only realistic way of slowing an advance.

The Duma yesterday declared the main two Russia supporting areas of Ukraine to be sovereign as reported by BBC.

The most likely scenario seems to be the same as Crimea, annexing of the Russia supporting areas.

Would the west respond, I'd bet no.
Shout sanctions but do little.

But, it all has the the potential to go wrong.

Both sides have in the past brought down civilian aircraft accidently.
 

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For the B52s they have limited uses.

The usual high altitude blanket bombing in this case would be useless, it only works when the other side lack the ability to reach them.

The other (hopefully likely) use is that its just assets waiving.

The hopefully unlikely use is to launch nukes - not the drop a bomb type, they're old fashioned now.
It uses the ALCM of which the latest variety is a new LRSO.
These can be used as "battfield" devices with lower and confined area yields.

Don't forget NATO strategy during the cold war included use of battlefield nukes as the only realistic way of slowing an advance.

The Duma yesterday declared the main two Russia supporting areas of Ukraine to be sovereign as reported by BBC.

The most likely scenario seems to be the same as Crimea, annexing of the Russia supporting areas.

Would the west respond, I'd bet no.
Shout sanctions but do little.

But, it all has the the potential to go wrong.

Both sides have in the past brought down civilian aircraft accidently.
More to the point, any news on direct flights from Gatwick to Manchester being reinstated? My quickest route is currently via Milan….
 

Cougar377

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For the B52s they have limited uses.

The usual high altitude blanket bombing in this case would be useless, it only works when the other side lack the ability to reach them.

The other (hopefully likely) use is that its just assets waiving.

The hopefully unlikely use is to launch nukes - not the drop a bomb type, they're old fashioned now.
It uses the ALCM of which the latest variety is a new LRSO.
These can be used as "battfield" devices with lower and confined area yields.

Don't forget NATO strategy during the cold war included use of battlefield nukes as the only realistic way of slowing an advance.

The Duma yesterday declared the main two Russia supporting areas of Ukraine to be sovereign as reported by BBC.

The most likely scenario seems to be the same as Crimea, annexing of the Russia supporting areas.

Would the west respond, I'd bet no.
Shout sanctions but do little.

But, it all has the the potential to go wrong.

Both sides have in the past brought down civilian aircraft accidently.
The concerning thing is that if Putin successfully invades then it green light's China to bring forward their own reunification plans.
 

Cougar377

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I hope NATO isn’t looking to this site for strategic advice :facepalm:
That reminds me of a photo I saw of a sticker on the back of an American helmet during the Vietnam War, which said...

Bomb Hanoi
Bomb Disneyland
Bomb Everything

Seems like strategic sense to me.
 
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Duck n Dive

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More to the point, any news on direct flights from Gatwick to Manchester being reinstated? My quickest route is currently via Milan….

Personally I don't see it happening.

Resurrected Flybe might try it but they've decided not to base at Manchester so the route wouldn't make sense the same way a hub feeder route would.

The other small players are already working the routes where they think they can make a profit.

It's a route where the main competion is rail, until HS2 is junked (and even then) its a risky competition for airlines.

On that there's the latest government post brexit wheeze to transfer the metholodgy of rail refunds to air travel.
If your aircraft is late you'd get automatic refunds etc.

The current EU based compensation scheme already creates more delays which was one of original Flybe's problems.

The amount of compensation is based on delay length.
With lots of short sectors Flybe would swap aircraft around to avoid say a one hour delay to one aircraft by creating 30 min delays to four aircraft as that was cheaper in compensation.
Hence the nickname FlyMaybe!

An airline always flying sector's longer the an hour didn't have the same option/choice/conundrum to face.

If Boris goes ahead with his grand idea to extend the rail user compensation scheme to airlines I can see it just killing off domestic air travel - part of his fu#k business policy perhaps :)
 

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Personally I don't see it happening.

Resurrected Flybe might try it but they've decided not to base at Manchester so the route wouldn't make sense the same way a hub feeder route would.

The other small players are already working the routes where they think they can make a profit.

It's a route where the main competion is rail, until HS2 is junked (and even then) its a risky competition for airlines.

On that there's the latest government post brexit wheeze to transfer the metholodgy of rail refunds to air travel.
If your aircraft is late you'd get automatic refunds etc.

The current EU based compensation scheme already creates more delays which was one of original Flybe's problems.

The amount of compensation is based on delay length.
With lots of short sectors Flybe would swap aircraft around to avoid say a one hour delay to one aircraft by creating 30 min delays to four aircraft as that was cheaper in compensation.
Hence the nickname FlyMaybe!

An airline always flying sector's longer the an hour didn't have the same option/choice/conundrum to face.

If Boris goes ahead with his grand idea to extend the rail user compensation scheme to airlines I can see it just killing off domestic air travel - part of his fu#k business policy perhaps :)
To be fair I am in favour of domestic flights being killed off providing there is a good rail service. I used them all the time while working as the alternatives in getting to places like Edinburgh and Aberdeen were pretty off putting.

My issue it is a 570 mile round trip towatch United play and that’s just too much driving in one day for me. Previously I would jump on the train to Gatwick and fly BA to Manchester.

Just as well I have a pal with a top floor apartment at Salford Quays overlooking Old Trafford :thumbup: even if the cheap skate hasn’t got a parking space for me.
 

Duck n Dive

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Forget BA from Gatwick - they'd be happy to pull out of LGW altogether, my view its only external pressures (government /unions) that keep them there at all.

As soon as they feel they can do it they'll be gone like a rat out of an aqueduct :)
 

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The concerning thing is that if Putin successfully invades then it green light's China to bring forward their own reunification plans.

Again my personal view but I think there is some contact/agreement between the two.

If Putin goes ahead in the Ukraine and faces Western sanctions then China could be mighty useful in negating those.

After all, what can he get from US and Europe that he can't from China - where we already get most things!

Russia and China both have huge raw materials resources remaining.
 

andyBeaker

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Forget BA from Gatwick - they'd be happy to pull out of LGW altogether, my view its only external pressures (government /unions) that keep them there at all.

As soon as they feel they can do it they'll be gone like a rat out of an aqueduct :)
As long as easyJet remain for my short breaks in Europe that'll do for me! Even if it is half an hour walk to the departure gate when you fly easyJet from Gatwick!
 

Cougar377

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Can we get the thread title changed to..

Will it be A Russian Easter?​

 

Duck n Dive

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Aviation insurers will not cover overflight of Ukrainian airspace with effect from midnight tonight.
 

Duck n Dive

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Ukraine International Airlines has today moved most (possibly all) of it's aircraft to Spain apart from two to Belgrade for maintenance.
 
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