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Why the change of tune?
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The expression that I've heard is "Crafty as truck load of monkeys" and I do know everything.
To move to your level you must be 'empty headed' not to understand that a word - even if used in innocence - in the wrong circumstances can lead to all sorts of grief. It was you that bigged it up into a 'derogatory term', not me.
And apologies for never having heard the expression you used. I bet you haven't heard 'slippery as a Milton' but that's hardly your fault.
I never for one moment expected any acknowledgement from you that in hindsight it might not have been the brightest thing you have ever said.
We live in different worlds and I am happy to stay in mine as much as I am sure you are happy to stay in yours.
How are we supposed to integrate with other nationalities when a regional saying can be misinterpreted & upset someone from another county.
noobie
Clueless in most things
We aren't, they are supposed to integrate with us. Now if I moved to their country then I of course would be the foreigner and rightly they would say I would have to interact with them.
We are far to soft in the U.K.
Barrie
Registered User
Reading his last retort, I really believe Andy is determined to make anyone look bad who dares to have an opinion on immigration. When he said, "Did you really mean monkeys" He made it a reference to a derogatory term, now he persists that I shouldn't have used the "Well known phrase" I give up.
Dark Angel
Still kickin' it!
When I grew up, all our neighbours were “uncle” this and “aunty” that.
I still talk (via t’interweb) with the kids I grew up with, even though we’ve not seen each other for decades.
When we wuz young, if we were disrespectful to the “big ‘uns”, they’d call us “cheeky monkey”.
My white, non-related “Aunty Margaret” called me a “cheeky monkey” if I didn’t say “thank you” after she fed me, along with her own kids, as a favour to my mum when she had to go to work/go to the shops/go to the doctor - or just wanted “a bit of peace and quiet from the kids”.
And vice-versa.
The bastardisation, by confirmed, overt, rabid racists, of the term “monkey” never affected me in the slightest. Because my roots aren’t only in this country of mine – my roots are in the fabric of this place – my place – my people.
Just in case you don’t know: I’m Black (cuz that’s what yer SEE) – I’m “integrated” (that’s what’s EXPECTED) – and folk are allus surprised when they realise that I’m just FUCKIN ENGLISH, AS WELL
I detest the fuckin’ holier-than-thou, do-nothing do-gooders who consistently proclaim, shout and scream ad nauseum their so-called abhorrence of racism; not out of sincerity (let me marry yer daughter), not out of compassion (just let me shag ‘er, then) – not out of understanding - but only in defence of a pathetically mis-placed sense of “political correctness”.
Well – here’s the rub – (and they need to consider this as a fact of life) – nobody believes in you; nobody accepts your shallow defence of “justice” and “tolerance” – nobody trusts in you – nobody needs you. You have no substance – you’re just a passing fad.
For fuck’s sake, move on and catch up with the real world and stop hiding behind meaningless platitudes and baseless condescension.
@fucked_off_with_this_shit
I still talk (via t’interweb) with the kids I grew up with, even though we’ve not seen each other for decades.
When we wuz young, if we were disrespectful to the “big ‘uns”, they’d call us “cheeky monkey”.
My white, non-related “Aunty Margaret” called me a “cheeky monkey” if I didn’t say “thank you” after she fed me, along with her own kids, as a favour to my mum when she had to go to work/go to the shops/go to the doctor - or just wanted “a bit of peace and quiet from the kids”.
And vice-versa.
The bastardisation, by confirmed, overt, rabid racists, of the term “monkey” never affected me in the slightest. Because my roots aren’t only in this country of mine – my roots are in the fabric of this place – my place – my people.
Just in case you don’t know: I’m Black (cuz that’s what yer SEE) – I’m “integrated” (that’s what’s EXPECTED) – and folk are allus surprised when they realise that I’m just FUCKIN ENGLISH, AS WELL
I detest the fuckin’ holier-than-thou, do-nothing do-gooders who consistently proclaim, shout and scream ad nauseum their so-called abhorrence of racism; not out of sincerity (let me marry yer daughter), not out of compassion (just let me shag ‘er, then) – not out of understanding - but only in defence of a pathetically mis-placed sense of “political correctness”.
Well – here’s the rub – (and they need to consider this as a fact of life) – nobody believes in you; nobody accepts your shallow defence of “justice” and “tolerance” – nobody trusts in you – nobody needs you. You have no substance – you’re just a passing fad.
For fuck’s sake, move on and catch up with the real world and stop hiding behind meaningless platitudes and baseless condescension.
@fucked_off_with_this_shit
americanexpress
Registered User
No you don't, because the monkeys in our neck of the woods arrive as a wagon load!!!
And DA is also correct, we also describe our grandson as a cheeky little monkey, as we did his uncle before him!! Not a derogatory term at all, more a term of endearment!!
I am never sure why anybody lets the bank messenger get up their nose. He really is not worth the bother.h1d1ng2
I for one had never heard the word monkey used with racist overtones so was wondering what all the fuss was about, maybe some people ought to look at themselves more closely before posting & making an issue out of what most of us consider normal language :whi5tl:
yes I was a cheeky monkey as a kid too & so was my best mate who was black, I'm sure nobody ever saw it as an insult & cant see why it should become one now!
Well said by the way DA @tu*
yes I was a cheeky monkey as a kid too & so was my best mate who was black, I'm sure nobody ever saw it as an insult & cant see why it should become one now!
Well said by the way DA @tu*
Damn straight, baby!
As an immigrant myself, I've had to integrate with the people of Singapore. As a result, I have now adopted the following practices:-
1. When the bus or train arrive, I push to the front of the queue and try and board before others alight;
2. When the train or bus is busy, I do not give up my seat for the elderly, infirm or some burd who's up the duff;
3. When stood around, I refuse to move out of the way to let someone past. If they make a sound, I pretend I can't see them;
4. I gob in the street;
5. I walk everywhere watching TV on my phone and not look where I'm going;
6. I don't say "excuse me", I just barge people out of my way;
7. I don't say "pardon" if I don't catch what someone has said. Instead, I say "aahhh";
8. I say "lah" at the end of every sentence;
9. I have emptied my head of every ounce of common sense I was born with.
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For the umpteenth time you are putting your spin on this in as much as telling me and everyone else what I meant. You still miss the point but I haven't the energy to go there again.
For your interest I do have views on immigration. - I suspect they are different to yours : that is fine by me but I suspect not fine by you:dunno:
S
Saffie
Guest
And I thought immigrating to the UK was a culture shock :-0)
Andrew, you're beginning to sound more and more like these limp-wristed, left-wing, liberal, Dudley-Do-Right apologists with every post.
I am seriously beginning to think that you have somehow become radicalised.
As a banker, I think it's fair and reasonable to assume that your mathematical skills are above average. On that basis, I do not understand how you can't bend your head around the plain fact that we cannot accept too many more immigrants. 12 into 10 doesn't go; you get that, right?
Further, no one has yet provided me with an answer to a question I have alluded to twice in this here thread. If these people attempting to invade our country are true refugees, why have they not sought asylum in the first safe land Europe? Why do they have to stampede towards the UK?
Daveybee has hijacked Andybird's pooter.
Whoa, hang on a minute! When did I say that I am in favour of allowing everyone in who wants to come in? All I have sAid is that some of the people trying to get into the Uk illegally at present may have a good reason for fleeing their home country. This to try and bring a wider perspective to the issue than some on here appear to have. Nobody has mentioned the tragedy earlier this week when an estimated 200+ drowned in the Mediterranean while fleeing their homeland - maybe because a) nobody cares or more likely b) it doesn't suit the 'keep these people' out point of view. are two sides to every story.
I totally agree that finite resources can only stretch so far. I have said more than once that I don't know the answer. I have sympathy for anyone fleeing their home as that are in fear of their life. I am glad it is not me.
However, those that are entering with the sole intention of bleeding the benefits system can bugger off.
As an aside some of the 'facts' on this forum about how many immigrants the uk allows in compared to other eu members in the thread are inaccurate. But that is being stored for use in the future;-0))
We will never know the true figures as it doesn't suit our Government to inform us.
What I do know is that next to my place of work is Angel lodge which is an immigration centre & there are at least four bus loads a week turning up.
This building only has a limited number of rooms so they are bringing them in & moving them on rapidly, so where are they going?
noobie
Clueless in most things
I thought they always used the same one :-0)
I would rather be linked to Daveybee in this manner than some others on here.
Firstly, I never said you were in favour of letting them all in.
Now, here's where I have to repeat my question yet again (not specifically to you Andrew, just in general; you say "All I have sAid is that some of the people trying to get into the Uk illegally at present may have a good reason for fleeing their home country". Ok, they may indeed have a good reason for fleeing from their country of origin. However, they must hit at least three countries in Euroland before reaching the UK (assuming they've left Africa by sea) so why aren't they seeking asylum in the country in which they land?
As far as I can tell, there are two logical explanations:-
1. They want to come here because they'll be treated better than indigenous Brits (black, white, yellow; who cares? I'm talking about people born in the UK or those legally entitled to be there). They'll be showered with benefits, accommodation, health care etc. In other words, we're a soft touch and they know it; or
2. The countries through which they pass (Italy, France, possibly some of the Balkan states etc) know we're a soft touch so they round up the immigrants, give them a few quid and a map and point them in our direction.