Bwahahahahaha. They will never find their way out of the mountains! :-0)
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Bwahahahahaha. They will never find their way out of the mountains! :-0)
Sympathy not empathy, Pow-Lo. To be empathetic one must share the feelings etc which Boggy clearly cannot do. I,too, am absolutely sure Boggy's feelings are genuine but the population in Britain generally do not want these people IMHO so we should set up a rehabilitation camp on a remote Scottish island where they will be fed, clothed and educated until they are fit to be returned to their home country. :-0) Perhaps we could use the Isle Of Wight??? lol
boggy I am sure most but not all here would share your feelings if we had to deal with these people as you do, it shows your good character that you feel that way & are willing to express that on this forum @tu*
I personally hate to see human suffering in any form but there is a problem with that I like most people here feel that enough is enough, we simply can not sustain this level of migration weather it be legal or illegal, the next people who will suffer & are already beginning to suffer are the UK population IE us !
As I have said I do feel sorry for some of these people but I care much more about the UK so unfortunately I believe this mass migration has to stop now!
I personally hate to see human suffering in any form but there is a problem with that I like most people here feel that enough is enough, we simply can not sustain this level of migration weather it be legal or illegal, the next people who will suffer & are already beginning to suffer are the UK population IE us !
As I have said I do feel sorry for some of these people but I care much more about the UK so unfortunately I believe this mass migration has to stop now!
As I recall from the last time I heard figures mentioned (about six years ago) forty percent of British citizens were living below the poverty line, I have no idea whether that figure has improved or got worse, I would imagine the latter.
The amount of immigrants that are flooding into this country can only have a negative affect on those figures.
No right thinking person likes to see their fellow man suffering but many of these illegals are not oppressed & are not in any danger in their own country, many have applied for asylum in our country & have been declined as they do not meet the criteria, they are now trying other (illegal) means to gain entry, as I said earlier, if they were in danger they would settle for the nearest safe haven & be grateful for bread & water & not even contemplate travelling thousands of miles to the luxury they expect/demand when they reach our shores.
The amount of immigrants that are flooding into this country can only have a negative affect on those figures.
No right thinking person likes to see their fellow man suffering but many of these illegals are not oppressed & are not in any danger in their own country, many have applied for asylum in our country & have been declined as they do not meet the criteria, they are now trying other (illegal) means to gain entry, as I said earlier, if they were in danger they would settle for the nearest safe haven & be grateful for bread & water & not even contemplate travelling thousands of miles to the luxury they expect/demand when they reach our shores.
Barrie
Registered User
Geography not your thing, Bill? Since when was the IOW a Scottish island?
Just out of interest, when did 'the population of Britain' say they didn't want 'these people' here?
I don't claim to have the answer to this problem. But I can see that there are at leAst some if not many very desperate human beings caught up in this mess.
I hope I never have to experience their situation
He didn't say that "...the population of Britain...didn't want 'these people' here." What he actually said was "...the population in Britain generally do not want these people IMHO...", which is slightly different.
If I have to spell out the differences, then you need help I'm not qualified to provide.
Semantics. I am just interested in the thinking behind this comment.
As I certainly do not have the answer i am also looking forward to this thread developing ideas to deal with the root cause behind the problem - which, 'IMHO' is not bigger fences and more guards at Calais. That deals with the symptoms.
americanexpress
Registered User
I wonder whether it was anybody from here who telephoned in to radio 4 and suggested that the new security fences should be electrified with 3000 volts, and tested on the 'do gooders' to make sure they were effective.
:dunno:
just asking.
:dunno:
just asking.
The easiest thing to do is to build a time machine, go back in time and assasinate Tony Blair and George Bush :dunno:
Barrie
Registered User
Maybe some sentry boxes with machine guns. A belt and braces type of thing. :shooter:
okay, I jest.
noobie
Clueless in most things
Unless the Libyan government actually governs then it's in their interest to get rid of all the dross and reduce the population. Less opportunists, less rapists, less terrorists all being passed to other countries where there is no way to check who these people are.
So what can we do, incredibly easy really. We have 1.81 million unemployed and most would be desperate for decent full time jobs. My suggetsion is that we train as many of these who are able to do the role and become border agency staff, site them at the entry points and unless the person is from the eu (I'd like to see that border closed soon too) then all people entering most have the correct paperwork.
Those wanting to come here legally will have the correct paperwork, have made themselves known as to who and what they are and would have paid the fee's to do so
If you have not got the correct paperwork in advance of your travel, then you will be simply returned to whence you came and that includes asylum.
If we actually refuse and return as a clear policy across the board, use unemployed through employment to inspect every vehicle, train and plane then we will be able to steady the ship so to speak.
The U.K. is open to migration but if your not on the list, your not coming in.
So what can we do, incredibly easy really. We have 1.81 million unemployed and most would be desperate for decent full time jobs. My suggetsion is that we train as many of these who are able to do the role and become border agency staff, site them at the entry points and unless the person is from the eu (I'd like to see that border closed soon too) then all people entering most have the correct paperwork.
Those wanting to come here legally will have the correct paperwork, have made themselves known as to who and what they are and would have paid the fee's to do so
If you have not got the correct paperwork in advance of your travel, then you will be simply returned to whence you came and that includes asylum.
If we actually refuse and return as a clear policy across the board, use unemployed through employment to inspect every vehicle, train and plane then we will be able to steady the ship so to speak.
The U.K. is open to migration but if your not on the list, your not coming in.
You're beginning to sound more and more like a politician with every post.
ianrobbo1
good looking AND modest
Anyone else seen this??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-cooked-meals-35-cash-week-days-arrival.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-cooked-meals-35-cash-week-days-arrival.html
If you like. While I respect the right for an individual to have views - even if I diagree with them - it doesn't wash with me when views are supported by wide ranging statements that are presumptuous until such time as they are validated. Common ones being 'most people think such and such', 'lots of my friends are so and so's',etc.
The point is that causes need to be resolved, not papering over cracks by short term treatment of symptoms.
And no I do not know what the answer is in this case. I truly wish I did.
The answer is simple.
Make it less desirable for them to settle here, when they arrive put them all in closed compounds with basic food, have workshops in these compounds where they can do something worthwhile & teach them that if they want something then they've got to work for it.
When they have been processed those that are allowed to stay are moved to slightly better compounds & are found jobs, they are to sign out & in & their wages taxed at 80% (they are still getting basic food & accomodation)
After five years if they still wish to remain then they are released from the compounds but still have to report once a month & declare that they are still working (35% tax) & have accomodation if they lose their job they have three months to find alternative employment, if they don't. They are deported.
Harsh but obviously an improvement on what they had.
Make it less desirable for them to settle here, when they arrive put them all in closed compounds with basic food, have workshops in these compounds where they can do something worthwhile & teach them that if they want something then they've got to work for it.
When they have been processed those that are allowed to stay are moved to slightly better compounds & are found jobs, they are to sign out & in & their wages taxed at 80% (they are still getting basic food & accomodation)
After five years if they still wish to remain then they are released from the compounds but still have to report once a month & declare that they are still working (35% tax) & have accomodation if they lose their job they have three months to find alternative employment, if they don't. They are deported.
Harsh but obviously an improvement on what they had.
Dark Angel
Still kickin' it!
... ...Why...?
Dark Angel
Still kickin' it!
Why do you dismis these people as "nothing more" than "economic migrants"?
What do you consider to be the root of a problem that causes people to risk death to desert their places of residence in search of a better life?
I tend not to comment on international socio-political matters, especially on a bike forum, but 6 million people "on the move" (conceivably as a direct result of the actions of MY government and its allies) has caught my attention.
My wife and I have been obliged to alter our travel arrangements for our French vacation next month, due to the reported "migrant activity". Why do you think these people are "on the move" simply to tread the "streets of gold" of europe?
What do you consider to be the root of a problem that causes people to risk death to desert their places of residence in search of a better life?
I tend not to comment on international socio-political matters, especially on a bike forum, but 6 million people "on the move" (conceivably as a direct result of the actions of MY government and its allies) has caught my attention.
My wife and I have been obliged to alter our travel arrangements for our French vacation next month, due to the reported "migrant activity". Why do you think these people are "on the move" simply to tread the "streets of gold" of europe?