Stop and search

[malepmt]

Anybody know the law's on this ? my friends 15 year old son was stopped and searched last night because his mobil phone wasn't registerd to him (his mum got it for him secondhand) he was put in cuffs taken to the station two hours later his mum get's there he is still in cuffs she tells them she bought the phone secondhand from a friend...so she is then stripped of any clothes she could hang her self with (her trousers) and put in a cell too for handling stolen goods another two hours later they are bailed to returne

turns out the bloke she bought it off got it from cash converters before that it had been stolen but never reported ...this all sounds like way over kill to me she is in bits never been arrested before and she is now on bail and has been terrified by the whole experiance
when plod was asked why he searched them he said one of his her sons friends tried to hide a bag from them as they went past he had nothing in the bag and said why would he hide it no reason to

is this silly over kill?? ..can they stop and serch for no reason ??

 

[Two-StrokeTart]

Seems a massive case of overkill to me. I don't think they need that much grounds to stop and search anyone these days. How on earth did they know the phone wasn't registered to him though - I've never heard of having to register that you own a phone before. Even if you are on a pay monthly tarrif you don't have to tell them what phone you have, and if it's pay as you go who is going to know. If it was never reported as stolen then how does anyone know it was actually stolen? And I've never heard of having your trousers taken off of you in the cells -that's just ridiculous. Why didn't she ask for a solicitor whilst she was there? She should have been offered one. If she hasn't seen one then she certainly ought to now, as it all sounds very wrong to me.

 

[Elwood]

so she is then stripped of any clothes she could hang her self with (her trousers) and put in a cell too for handling stolen goods another two hours later they are bailed to return

Standard practice, to stop people hanging themselves !

 

[andyBeaker]

Don't take it the wrong way.......but there may be more than one version of what actually happened to start this sequence of events? Not saying you haven't got the right story, but it is also possible you have not got the full/'true' version?:dunno:

A lot of plod would have to be doing naughty things for such a set of events to ber allowed to happen?

 

[morphgarth]

Don't take it the wrong way.......but there may be more than one version of what actually happened to start this sequence of events? Not saying you haven't got the right story, but it is also possible you have not got the full/'true' version?:dunno:

A lot of plod would have to be doing naughty things for such a set of events to ber allowed to happen?

.................and a stolen phone was recovered wasn't it??:dunno:

 

[Barrie]

.................and a stolen was recovered wasn't it??:dunno:

Yes Morph but Gestapo tactics we can do without. Please don't tell me that you agree with those sort of tactics. It's more a case of the Strong arm of the law rather than the long arm of the Law and don't some officers love to prove how tough they are.

 

[Elwood]

As Andy pointed out (and with no disrespect to OP) but do we know the full facts? Every story has two side, just ask either of my ex's :-0)

Cuffs on, cuffs off, that's been a hell of a debate for years, all I would do is point out the incident in Northumbria when a prisoner yanked the handbrake on, car goes out of control and kills the cop. Yes there were possibly other issues but cops just dont know who they are dealing with.

Never know anyone be in cuffs for that length of time at the nic !

 

[Two-StrokeTart]

.................and a stolen phone was recovered wasn't it??:dunno:

A stolen phone that was never reported stolen, so how did they know?

 

[morphgarth]

The first post said it was stolen but never reported.

I would love to hear both sides of the story.

Barry, who says Gestapo tactics were used??

 

[Jono]

Barrie.....calm down....calm down.bl4hbl4h

 

[Barrie]

The first post said it was stolen but never reported.

I would love to hear both sides of the story.

Barry, who says Gestapo tactics were used??

I did. Now stop pissing me off.

 

[Barrie]

Barrie.....calm down....calm down.bl4hbl4h

Ok Jono, OK

 

[malepmt]

The facts in the first post is the story according to plod they said they searched them because one of the boys tried to hide his bag from them the bag had his sandwhiches in so not much reason to hide it also they where stopped and searched in the boys own street he had only left the house ten minutes before the phone had never been reported stolen the boy was in cuffs thrown in a van then a cell because it was not registerd to him it took them over an hour to find out it had ever been stolen by contacting the last registerd keeper of the phone it had been taken from her bag in a club and she had never reported it stolen

Question is what grounds do they need to stop and search ? is it normal to cuff a 15 year old i have to say that looks and is about the size of your avrage 12 year old ? as it was never reported stolen by the owner how would cash converters or my friend ever know it was stolen so what crime was commited ?

And police wonder why teenagers get and attitude.... REALLY

 

[Barrie]

The facts in the first post is the story according to plod they said they searched them because one of the boys tried to hide his bag from them the bag had his sandwhiches in so not much reason to hide it also they where stopped and searched in the boys own street he had only left the house ten minutes before the phone had never been reported stolen the boy was in cuffs thrown in a van then a cell because it was not registerd to him it took them over an hour to find out it had ever been stolen by contacting the last registerd keeper of the phone it had been taken from her bag in a club and she had never reported it stolen

Question is what grounds do they need to stop and search ? is it normal to cuff a 15 year old i have to say that looks and is about the size of your avrage 12 year old ? as it was never reported stolen by the owner how would cash converters or my friend ever know it was stolen so what crime was commited ?

And police wonder why teenagers get and attitude.... REALLY

Please learn to punctuate your posts mate because I have trouble making sense of them.

 

[Elwood]

is it normal to cuff a 15 year old i have to say that looks and is about the size of your avrage 12 year old ?

And police wonder why teenagers get and attitude.... REALLY

Thats a very generalised statement !

As i said to cuff or not to cuff is a debate in itself. I've had 15 year olds cause me more grief (i.e. voilent) than may older people, dont forget that people get handcuffed for their own safety as well as the cops. (and many other reasons)

So to try and answer your question, is it normal to cuff a 15 year old? It all depends upon the circumstances, and age is only one factor to consider, in the last few months/years how many teenagers of that age have been involved in shootings and stabbings?

And before anyone says it, thats an example of how age has very little to do with it, I am in no means suggesting anything towards the lad in question as regards guns etc. All I'm trying to say is I wasn't there, you weren't there, the lads mum wasn't there when it all started.

Can cops stop and search for no reason, no they can't but from the circumstances given IMHO the grounds for search were there.

Having said all that,in the interests of balance:

Some cops can be arseholes, there is a rumour going round that they are just made up of sections of the human race !! (and we've all met some right wankers who belong to that club :-0))

Could the cops involved in this incident be arseholes, well anythings possible !! :-0)

 

[andyBeaker]

And police wonder why teenagers get and attitude.... REALLY

And vice versa, surely?

There is always an element with no respect for the law that will want to show how hard they are in front of their mates, Personally, in the very few times I I tangled with plod as a youngster I bricked it, even though I hadn't done anything much wrong. But, fair do's, when a pompous sargeant chucked his clipboard on the bonnet of my Hillman Avenger while lecturing me about reversing the wrong way up a one way street I did get the hump.

It only takes 5 minutes viewing of Police Interceptors, Road Wars etc. to realise that in fact every member of the public is totally innocent at all times..............................even when they are 'bang to rights'.h1d1ng2

 

[morphgarth]

I did. Now stop pissing me off.

Ja Herr Baz!:-0)

 

[Barrie]

Ja Herr Baz!:-0)

Actually Morph I have given it some thought and as some 15 year olds are bigger and stronger than some grown men, the arresting officers may well have felt intimidated and cuffed him for their own protection.p0pc0rn41

 

[morphgarth]

Actually Morph I have given it some thought and as some 15 year olds are bigger and stronger than some grown men, the arresting officers may well have felt intimidated and cuffed him for their own protection.p0pc0rn41

Whilst that might sound funny Barry, the sad fact is that it's true!!!!!

 

[Barrie]

Whilst that might sound funny Barry, the sad fact is that it's true!!!!!

You misread me Morph, I wasn't joking. Remember some of my friends are police officers and I have heard the stories. Contrary to what you may believe, I am not anti police. I just can't stand arsholes in uniform who get power crazy. Now, gizza kiss.