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Well Chaps, two posts require..........
............a detailed reply................
First Robbo....
Errrrr....no. That's two posts you've misread now. I was stating a fact in a tongue in cheek fashion. I'll state it again: Smokers should be thanked for their net contribution to the NHS. They pay lots of taxes on earnings and fags which are spent on providing NHS services to ALL. The poor smoker never gets to benefit from all his/her contributions because they die before they get much money spent on them by the NHS. If smoking was banned altogether, there would be no saving to the NHS because we'd all live longer and consume more NHS resources with diseases and conditions with lower morbidity and a better prognosis. Is that clearer ? ie. I didn't say 'must', I said 'do' in your sentence. I have yet to criticise smokers or obese people, just stated little known facts on their help in providing monies to the NHS amongst other things.............but read on.........
Now the Fat One............
Now Berty Boy, either you're on a wind up or being deliberately obtuse. Either way, the percentage applies to the number of fatalities in the total number of cases, as I'm sure you really knew. ie. 100% of people developing lung cancer cases die of lung cancer: Nobody recovers. To take your example of 50% fatal, this would mean for every 10 cases of lung cancer, 50% ie. 5 would get better - They don't.
Oral cancer, my field, has only a slightly better prognosis than lung cancer. It's more prevalent in smokers esp rollies, cigars and pipe smokers ie. unfiltered. We routinely screen all patients for the first signs but if you get it at the back corner of the mouth - it's not good news. That area of the mouth is known as 'coffin corner' Quite a cute little pun there in relation to smoking.......Geddit ? Coughing ?
Heart disease, other forms of cancer and obesity are not clearly not 100% fatal by this definition. I should have thought THAT was 'stating the bleeding obvious'
Smoking kills smokers, smoking kills passive smokers - Ask Mrs Roy Castle.
Frenchie: you're having a laugh, M8. Extraction is for urine not smoke, as you well know :}
It's all flogging a dead horse anyway. All this posturing is just smokers naturally kicking against the inevitable - The majority don't want their leisure time polluted by a minority and smoking is slowly becoming socially unacceptable. There will come a time when a smoker will be as welcome as a drunk driver outside a school..............in the meantime, all the resources possible should be put into getting them to quit, deep down even they know it makes sense.
............a detailed reply................
First Robbo....
Errrrr....no. That's two posts you've misread now. I was stating a fact in a tongue in cheek fashion. I'll state it again: Smokers should be thanked for their net contribution to the NHS. They pay lots of taxes on earnings and fags which are spent on providing NHS services to ALL. The poor smoker never gets to benefit from all his/her contributions because they die before they get much money spent on them by the NHS. If smoking was banned altogether, there would be no saving to the NHS because we'd all live longer and consume more NHS resources with diseases and conditions with lower morbidity and a better prognosis. Is that clearer ? ie. I didn't say 'must', I said 'do' in your sentence. I have yet to criticise smokers or obese people, just stated little known facts on their help in providing monies to the NHS amongst other things.............but read on.........
Now the Fat One............
Now Berty Boy, either you're on a wind up or being deliberately obtuse. Either way, the percentage applies to the number of fatalities in the total number of cases, as I'm sure you really knew. ie. 100% of people developing lung cancer cases die of lung cancer: Nobody recovers. To take your example of 50% fatal, this would mean for every 10 cases of lung cancer, 50% ie. 5 would get better - They don't.
Oral cancer, my field, has only a slightly better prognosis than lung cancer. It's more prevalent in smokers esp rollies, cigars and pipe smokers ie. unfiltered. We routinely screen all patients for the first signs but if you get it at the back corner of the mouth - it's not good news. That area of the mouth is known as 'coffin corner' Quite a cute little pun there in relation to smoking.......Geddit ? Coughing ?
Heart disease, other forms of cancer and obesity are not clearly not 100% fatal by this definition. I should have thought THAT was 'stating the bleeding obvious'
Smoking kills smokers, smoking kills passive smokers - Ask Mrs Roy Castle.
Frenchie: you're having a laugh, M8. Extraction is for urine not smoke, as you well know :}
It's all flogging a dead horse anyway. All this posturing is just smokers naturally kicking against the inevitable - The majority don't want their leisure time polluted by a minority and smoking is slowly becoming socially unacceptable. There will come a time when a smoker will be as welcome as a drunk driver outside a school..............in the meantime, all the resources possible should be put into getting them to quit, deep down even they know it makes sense.
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