Smoking in Pubs...

[roXXo]

I think that any measure to deter people from smoking or make them seriously question smoking is a good thing.
Repeating what has previously been said, employers have a legal obligation to look after the health of their workers so all those that are employed behind bars etc. have a legal right not to be affected by passive smoking.
A ban will be inevitable. Sooner rather than later when those affected start sueing!
The tobacco industry will eventually go to the wall.

 

[frenchuk]

Roxxo, you and Rob and anyone else are entitled to think whatever you want, and that allows us to have this debate! And ramblers are also entitled to think what they want, anti-pollution lobbies are also entitled to think what they want etc etc... The result is increased freedom for some, decreased freedom for others, the question is, where is the right balance? some people don't want balance, they want their freedom to be 100%, thus freedom of people being in their way becoming 0%. I of course get the point about pub staff being entitled to their health (hence efficient extraction which DO exist) but they also have the choice NOT to work in a pub. If they take the job, it's part and parcel of the job. Some jobs carry occupational hazard. Security staff are also entitled to safety at work so what do you suggest is done for them to avoid being attacked, stabbed etc? When they take the job they know what is involved, when bar staff take the job they also know what is involved.
As for punters: pubs are not a healthy place anyway - alcohol and greasy food are certainely worth for you than passive smoking. They want healthy? Send them to a salad/mineral water bar!!!uke: :-:

 

[roXXo]

You've got to die of something, sooner or later (preferably later) and if people "want to smoke" (for the life of me I can't think why any educated person would want to) they can in their own homes but second hand smoke is absolutely disgusting. Besides the health issues it's just not very nice at all. My parents in law both smoke and they just don't reallise how much their bodies and clothing reek. I visit them as little as possible because being in their house makes me retch.
You can tell a smoker anywhere even when they are not smoking.
I know, lets ban smelly people from public places as well.

 

[Wolfie]

Fuk, i can see what you are saying, and agree with you.

 

[roXXo]

FUK, I can see what you're saying and I agree with you.
It's about freedom of choice and living and let live.
But, I wouldn't mind so much if smoking was enjoyable but you can't say that you really enjoy smoking. It tastes nasty, smells horrible, and makes you cough. uke:
And you pay lots of money to do it

Surely it's better not to smoke and smoking ought to be discouraged. If education and cost doesn't deter aren't stronger measures required?

 

[chamac]

Goin out tonight

To see how all them smokers are fairing out with the new smoking ban in the pubs. Its pissin down rain here in Galway and they are going to be very pissed off outside in the rain. Have a list of the ontime smokiest of them and will really be enjoying my pints watching them sneaking outside.
Get the bastids back for stinkin us out of it for years:f
Hope the old rain holds up till this evening.:beer:

 

[R2B2]

Originally posted by frenchuk
Read my posts again: I didn't changed directions....

Don't change direction?? Err? I'm not getting personal here Pierre, but I have to say you have either got a short memory or a very vivid imagination if you think that!!!!!! I've just gotta remind you of a couple of things mate?

When you made outrageous false claims in the other thread about the US "nicking" the oil in Iraq I pointed out what really happens in the oil scene with foreign companies on invited overseas projects (not with my views, I hasten to remind you)?.. So you switched it to Rwanda and the Huttu's & Tutsi's being forced together by us (who?), and that wasn't true either, as I pointed out! That was two distorted beliefs you couldn't exploit so you then switched once more to?. to Burkina, and blamed their living standards on the yanks and us and even said we directly starved them What an accusation! - and guess what? - that was rubbish too!! Interlace this with a few more accusations of us raping the resources of India, Vietnam (chief commodities being coal & rice!!) blah-blah-blah, and I think you have to agree that was all about changing from the original issue. And as for dropping the thread because it was "pointless arguing with someone who was being oblivious to the facts", I have to say you simply never answered when I asked you directly for some detail on who had raped who's resources, after all you were very certain about this, so it should have been easy. That was when you "dropped" the thread. But hey, don't take my word for any of this ? check it out for yourself.

Of course, you haven't tried the same tactic in this thread have you? Lets see now, we've gone from not smoking in bars to banning bikes, security guards getting stabbed, rambling, to even suggesting that people shouldn't work in pubs if they don't want to work in your smoke (and you talk about wanting balance?). Ha! That would be a good one ? you could have your fag inside but nobody could get a beer. Yup, that sounds reasonable!

Still think you haven't changed direction!? Is it any clearer now? Just one more quick reminder - what was it you said earlier... Lets not let the facts get in the way of the truth.... mmmmm!

Originally posted by frenchuk
Like I said already few times, the issue here is about people saying other people that what they do bother them, and that they therefore should stop.

For the umpteenth time, this thread does not ask you, or any smokers, to stop smoking.

Originally posted by frenchuk
My argument proves too strong and the only way you find is being oblivious to it...

Yes, you're right again of course!! That's it - the penny has dropped now. I've been oblivious and wrong all the way through. The oil, the smoking, the lot, duh... Silly me! Why couldn't I see that? I wonder why nobody else jumped in and put me out of my misery and wised me up, eh??

You must be 110% right mate. Ah well, that's that sorted then!! Bugger (walking away with head hung low.....) must be more careful. :neenaw:




[edits for missed words & spelling]

 

[ianrobbo1]

AND I'm still not a phillistinian,:f :f :f

more ''U''turns than a kids ''top''

there that told YOU,!!!:f

and yeah still burn the toast,:}







edited to add that last bit, cos its true,:}

 

[frenchuk]

Rob don't take it so personally mate, it's a debate, not a fight! It looks like when speaking about something you have hard time if peeps start to make the topic less specific (smoking) and wider (balance of freedom) - well this is you, but accept that other people are not like you and like to spread the topic to a wider discussion. It's obvious what I am saying about occupational hazards being part and parcel of certain jobs and if you don't want to get my point it's up to you -same goes for the ramblers vs. offroaders example, it's so similar to smokers vs. non-smokers but yet you dismiss it as 'changing directions'.
As for the oil being nicked/Africa (and other poor countries with resources) being bled by rich countries, if you deny that well you must be one of the only persons having this idealistic idea that we rich are not raping the poors. It's quite easy to check the facts I spoke about about Burkina cotton, Tutsi/Hutu, Bush campaign paid by Exxon, etc... Oh, since you mentionned India (not me, so not changing direction, just disgressing :}), I guess that you don't deny Gandhi's fight for India to become independent from the British Empire? If so surely you recognise that India was oppressed by UK? (interesting fact: Gandhi never parted from a book by David Henri Thoreau: civil desobedience - great read).
Well you don't get my point, but at least others do - and Ian doesn't get yours or mine because... Oh I don't know... because he was born like that?w;;v

 

[ianrobbo1]

:dunno: I thought Ghandi was a pacifist,:dunno:
so whats he doing fighting for any country,
and what about the things the british did FOR indea,!!

and is still doing to greater or lesser degree,

to mention but a few,
(1) Introduced the railways, ''that are still in use''

(2) Stopped cannibalism,

(3) put an end to tribal fueding,

(4) Stopped ''warlords'' slaughtering villiagers,

(5) introduced western medicine's,

(6) Invented curries,

(7) Training doctors+ nurses,

(8) Chip in everytime there is a ''disaster'' on that continent,

(9) Haven't had a ''say'' in how India is governed in over 50 years,

(10) Is this far enough off topic,!

(11) If it is, it's because I followed your''Pierre's'', ramblings on changing the subject,:dunno:

(12) Did Gahndi smoke,!!!

(13) If he did, did he smoke in a restaurant,!!!{with a punkawalla / fan } :dunno: :} :bang:

 

[frenchuk]

Ian, that's the old debate about the good of colonialism, bringing civilisation to the savages etc...
as for
(12) Did Gahndi smoke,!!!
(13) If he did, did he smoke in a restaurant,!!!{with a punkawalla / fan
HILARIOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUS Ian, nearly spilled my tea over keyboard!! :yo: 8ree!

 

[ianrobbo1]

I'm not letting this one go, :}

so smoking has gotten SO out of hand even animals and old birds are smoking now,:}

 

[Cyclops]

Oh for gods sake

let it drop:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :neenaw: c7u8 man8um

 

[Wolfie]

Oh for gods sake

dont you mean oh for Gordon's sake????:neenaw: :neenaw: :neenaw:

 

[Cyclops]

Go and polish yer

cans:f :f

 

[Wolfie]

My can(non) is already well polished!!!:f :f :beer:

 

[SILVERONE]

Pub or not ?

Yer, in pubs, ban smokin, dogs, gambling, beer,swearing, then let kids in, do food, sweats, alcohpops, swings & slide, ballpits.
Sod it I'll stop in.
Any one for a smoke & can''at park''

 

[frenchuk]

err.... extraction....

 

[Wolfie]

:yo:

 

[D.S.]

I spoke about about Burkina cotton, Tutsi/Hutu, Bush campaign paid by Exxon, etc... Oh, since you mentionned India (not me, so not changing direction, just disgressing ), I guess that you don't deny Gandhi's fight for India to become independent from the British Empire?

but Pierre, ya forgot to mention that 20% of Frances's oil comes from West Africa. The Ivory Coast, buys 40% of its imports from France and the French own a third of the country's manufacturing industries. The French giant Elf-Aquitaine virtually operates Gabon's oil industry and France is by far Gabon's biggest trade partner, supplying 44% of its imports and 80% of its foreign aid. Three-quarters of all foreign investment in the country comes from France. Policital sources (not me) say Gabon and Elf's subsidiary there have long been a source of funding for French political parites.

:dunno: