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oil change dilemna
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I like this thread ......
it's like watching tennis ...........
the brit won't win :-0)
it's like watching tennis ...........
the brit won't win :-0)
Ahhh the wunnnerfool world of chip fat
Use it as grease ( oft heard in the out back is 'grease me up maaa, Im' a goin in )
Use it as a common cold prevention ( rub it on your chest.. It stinks real bad, no one comes near you )
Use it to lube stuff ( knee joints maybe ? )
Use it as engine oil
And of course mix it with parafin and keep it warm and you can run the old family diesel truck on it..
Oh and apart from the last one, once finished with can be scraped off and you can cook your chips in it again
Use it as grease ( oft heard in the out back is 'grease me up maaa, Im' a goin in )
Use it as a common cold prevention ( rub it on your chest.. It stinks real bad, no one comes near you )
Use it to lube stuff ( knee joints maybe ? )
Use it as engine oil
And of course mix it with parafin and keep it warm and you can run the old family diesel truck on it..
Oh and apart from the last one, once finished with can be scraped off and you can cook your chips in it again
ok, I don't want to open this discussion again but as oil is very important I feel it a good idea to share this artical, it will hopefully and finally put an end to the oil debate, may I also add that I believe this article is so good I believe it should be a sticky
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html
Again, where is the info relating specifically to the Bird ?
Sorry but I fail to understand your point of view Smedly.
As another example
There are HUGE essays written on turbo's and dump valves
The Smart car makes almost all the available turbo info seem wrong
It is not wrong, same as the info you have found is not wrong, but it is not relevant to the specific vehicle in question..
Soooooooooooo given that pretty much everyone on THIS forum says that fully synth is not a good move in the BIRD, and that this is based on evidence and specific cases where changing back to semi after using fs caused problems, why do you persist in trying to undermine what folk say ?
In another post you asked me if I had a problem with you, to which I replied no.
That still stands as we are all entitled to our own opinions .. that is until those opinions are offered as facts appertaining to the questions in hand and are, in the face of extremely high amounts of evidence, still proffered as the best info available
If you wish to present specific evidence great ! @tu*
If however you can only further your case by posting info that is not directly related I think that is a little misleading
Sorry but I fail to understand your point of view Smedly.
As another example
There are HUGE essays written on turbo's and dump valves
The Smart car makes almost all the available turbo info seem wrong
It is not wrong, same as the info you have found is not wrong, but it is not relevant to the specific vehicle in question..
Soooooooooooo given that pretty much everyone on THIS forum says that fully synth is not a good move in the BIRD, and that this is based on evidence and specific cases where changing back to semi after using fs caused problems, why do you persist in trying to undermine what folk say ?
In another post you asked me if I had a problem with you, to which I replied no.
That still stands as we are all entitled to our own opinions .. that is until those opinions are offered as facts appertaining to the questions in hand and are, in the face of extremely high amounts of evidence, still proffered as the best info available
If you wish to present specific evidence great ! @tu*
If however you can only further your case by posting info that is not directly related I think that is a little misleading
M
MiddleAgedBiker
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I had problems shifting gears with full synth. I didn't know when I bought the bike. I used to get missed shifts all the time with full synth oil.
Switched to semi-synth and the problem dissapeared.
I recommend semi-synth.
silverfox.xx
quocunque jeceris stabit
End result is Honda did not recommend fully synthetic.
Fully synthetic causes pitting of cams and gears.
Why pay the extra for possible engine damage.
I'll stick to mineral oil, which was what the bike was originally intended to use.
Fully synthetic causes pitting of cams and gears.
Why pay the extra for possible engine damage.
I'll stick to mineral oil, which was what the bike was originally intended to use.
the article is there for everyone to read and take what they want from it nothing more nothing less, it is simply a good article, the one thing that stuck out concerning bikes was how quickly the gearbox can and does destroy VII molecules and render an oil useless after as little as 1500 miles, personally I will continue to use FS oil in my BB......up to me
this oil thing has nothing to do with a wet clutch it has to do with the fact that motorbikes do not have seperate gearbox and engine oil.......engine oils do not work in gearboxes so it takes a very special oil that will work in both, is the BB unique ? I honestly couldn't say but one thing I do know is that I will put an oil in my bike that will survive the tremendous stresses that a gearbox requires, when I was racing I changed my oil after every race so it was never a problem, as far as my engine and gearbox are concerned I will put in the best quality oil oil I can find.........up to me
I honestly can't understand the serious attitude on this thread about oil (well I can actually) , if you think mineral oil is good for your bike then put it in, if you think Honda will recommend the best oil for their engines then you don't know how it all works...........they want your engine to have problems after a time because of economics .......... they like to sell you parts for your faulty machine, car and bike manufacturures make a lot of money from after sales, after sales people make a lot of money supplying parts - that is how it works, my humble advise is put the best oil in your engine and gearbox you can find...........that works with the BB
I honestly can't understand the serious attitude on this thread about oil (well I can actually) , if you think mineral oil is good for your bike then put it in, if you think Honda will recommend the best oil for their engines then you don't know how it all works...........they want your engine to have problems after a time because of economics .......... they like to sell you parts for your faulty machine, car and bike manufacturures make a lot of money from after sales, after sales people make a lot of money supplying parts - that is how it works, my humble advise is put the best oil in your engine and gearbox you can find...........that works with the BB
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Ahh,, that would explain why all the mini's had to have special oil then @tu*
Oh.. errr hang on... They didn't..
The information you refer to appertains to the long chain molecules that WERE used in a good many upmarket motor oils.. Some 18 years ago
The actions of the gear cogs were found to actually cut the molecules causing them to break down early and cause a massive shift in the viscosity.
But that is very very old news and long since superseded as the oils have been improved over the years, time and again.
One of the main reasons to improve/modify being several cars made similar to the old mini, AND the advent of turbos being from rare to almost commonplace
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The oil companies had to change the recipe else they were losing a fairly large hunk of the market by making their oils elitist and only work reliably in certain vehicles.
The basics of the doc you reproduced is actually now almost 15 years old.
It was last updated in 2003 and was issued by someone who was paid by a certain large oil company ( no vested interest there then ! LOL ! )
Why on earth will you not let this go Smedly.. You are still offering no evidence and as you say ( twice ) folk can do as they see fit.
Personally I think that most people will lean towards the overwhelming BIRD related evidence rather than anything else
And that would include the several documented million mile plus Birds that are out there, all of which are running on semi synth
plus
that would also include the several examples on this forum where folk have tried fully synth, had a problem and reverted back.. an example of which is just a few posts up from this ! ( or perhaps you are saying they are wrong and are making it up:dunno: )
I don't think I have ever said not to use a semi synth oil but some here are saying not to use FS oil, I do strongly disagree with the argument that FS oil designed for motorbikes does damage, I've been using FS in my BB for 5 years now and I have no issues, that is why this subject is getting under my skin, people here are telling me I'm doing something wrong and "NOT" to use FS oil, I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with that.
Look, tell you what.. I wont mention it again if you dont !
I really do not wanna have a row over it esp as you are going by your own experience and you are happy as things are, while other folk have tried it and gone back to semi after a catalogue of problems
Lets have a beer and talk about something else ! @tu*
I really do not wanna have a row over it esp as you are going by your own experience and you are happy as things are, while other folk have tried it and gone back to semi after a catalogue of problems
Lets have a beer and talk about something else ! @tu*
Mental math tells me I have done maybe 18 or 19 oil and filter changes on the two Birds I have owned.
New filter every time and Halford own brand semi synth = no problems.
why go looking for trouble:dunno:
New filter every time and Halford own brand semi synth = no problems.
why go looking for trouble:dunno:
maybe i'm just a bit more particular because of the hot climate i live but like i have said many times on this thread SS would not be a problem for me either, I have never said not to use SS but I have been told here that FS is not good, anyway that's what I use and that's me. My next change will be a 15w50 or 20w50 semi or full which ever i can get
If you go on my web site ( ( to this page ) you can just click on the buy now world wide button.. Postages etc are automatically included Smedley
I ship world wide just about every day !