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NoBBy
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AlexBlack said:
Do you mind :shooter: I know what speed limit on a dual carraige way is, about 170MPH on the one near me. I have tried and tried but can't get any faster, it's just not long enough :yo:
No; if you read the full post we were on about 'Posted' 60mph limits (ie a white sign with a red border and 60 writen on it). The only place you would get these is on a dual carraige way, because on a normal road the natonal limit is 60mph anyway.
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BrisbaneBlackbird
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well here i am - no fines, nuthin for 8 years - then i buy a wrx and there goes 12 points in 3 years and yes letter in the mail - choose 3 months no licence or 12 months and only 1 point to lose!
ok i want to point out all my fines been no more than 20kms over the limit and all in 60km/h zones - just like you know 71, 74 etc AND NONE in residential areas. Subaru seems to attract speed cameras.
so i choose 1 point - then 2 months later i go buy a blackbird!!!!
now i'm bl**dy paranoid try to keep it under 110Km/h on the motorway (100 limit) have been up to as fast as 150ks when overtaking some slow codgers to get out an back in in least time.
this is my first road bike and most of my riding experience is a long time ago and on dirt bikes so a bit different.
I chose to buy the blackbird because its the bike i felt comfortable on at 100km/h - and thats primarily because it can go soooo fast - its soooo stable at the lower speeds
i even doddle in top gear at 60k's occassionally - although not making it a habit cause i want to keep bike in the responsive zone in case of ijits in cars.
I read/seen posts and emails of late (this week) that are very disturbing when talking bout speed.
Theres one circulating here in oz at the moment of a guy who crashed a GSXR1000 at 280kmh (175mph)- its too graphic to post - least to say the human body is not mean to withstand the forces that it cops at that speed in an off!
then theres the US guy who gave his mate a go on his bird to try it out - and he didn't come back - collided with a deer at 130mph - died in hospital of brain injuries
and it goes on... and yes i know you can die in an off at 20mph but its just so much less likely.
being a new rider i'm still pretty cautious about riding and i'm watching like an eagle for some tossa whos not stopping at an intersection or not looking before changing lanes.
but we should respect one issue - most car drivers are useless twzts who can barely drive a car with 4 wheels and no balance required- and most of them are scared of the actual capacity of their cars (acceleration speed etc) and when they experience a bike doing 2+ times the speed limit their barely functioning little brains just can't cope.
All of us who ride, are a fair bit more switched on and paying attention, very excessive speed is just asking for some car driver to be caught unaware and we know what happens next.
Last thing i want to say is, when appropriate i LOVE the acceleration - 0-100 in 3 secs is fantastic.
But of course again this just catches car drivers out because they don't expect you to get from there to oh shiiite whats that bike doing in front of me as im trying to turn!
bring on the track days for the speed.
And one final final thought - any tossa can spin a blackbird up to 300km/h given enough straight road, its not really about the top speed - its about the skills of riding, cornering at pace etc and arriving alive
of course these are just my inexperienced hunble opinions
Ken
well here i am - no fines, nuthin for 8 years - then i buy a wrx and there goes 12 points in 3 years and yes letter in the mail - choose 3 months no licence or 12 months and only 1 point to lose!
ok i want to point out all my fines been no more than 20kms over the limit and all in 60km/h zones - just like you know 71, 74 etc AND NONE in residential areas. Subaru seems to attract speed cameras.
so i choose 1 point - then 2 months later i go buy a blackbird!!!!
now i'm bl**dy paranoid try to keep it under 110Km/h on the motorway (100 limit) have been up to as fast as 150ks when overtaking some slow codgers to get out an back in in least time.
this is my first road bike and most of my riding experience is a long time ago and on dirt bikes so a bit different.
I chose to buy the blackbird because its the bike i felt comfortable on at 100km/h - and thats primarily because it can go soooo fast - its soooo stable at the lower speeds
i even doddle in top gear at 60k's occassionally - although not making it a habit cause i want to keep bike in the responsive zone in case of ijits in cars.
I read/seen posts and emails of late (this week) that are very disturbing when talking bout speed.
Theres one circulating here in oz at the moment of a guy who crashed a GSXR1000 at 280kmh (175mph)- its too graphic to post - least to say the human body is not mean to withstand the forces that it cops at that speed in an off!
then theres the US guy who gave his mate a go on his bird to try it out - and he didn't come back - collided with a deer at 130mph - died in hospital of brain injuries
and it goes on... and yes i know you can die in an off at 20mph but its just so much less likely.
being a new rider i'm still pretty cautious about riding and i'm watching like an eagle for some tossa whos not stopping at an intersection or not looking before changing lanes.
but we should respect one issue - most car drivers are useless twzts who can barely drive a car with 4 wheels and no balance required- and most of them are scared of the actual capacity of their cars (acceleration speed etc) and when they experience a bike doing 2+ times the speed limit their barely functioning little brains just can't cope.
All of us who ride, are a fair bit more switched on and paying attention, very excessive speed is just asking for some car driver to be caught unaware and we know what happens next.
Last thing i want to say is, when appropriate i LOVE the acceleration - 0-100 in 3 secs is fantastic.
But of course again this just catches car drivers out because they don't expect you to get from there to oh shiiite whats that bike doing in front of me as im trying to turn!
bring on the track days for the speed.
And one final final thought - any tossa can spin a blackbird up to 300km/h given enough straight road, its not really about the top speed - its about the skills of riding, cornering at pace etc and arriving alive
of course these are just my inexperienced hunble opinions
Ken
OK so the debate is about speed.....
Well some folks like to keep to the limits, fine by me that's their choice.
Some other folks like to use the bbird's power sometimes.... well and dandy too methinks.
When you do either is up to the individual and providing you're not harming someone else the rest of the world should go take a running jump.........
Where there are speed limits it also up to each of to accept/ignore them.... our choice and having made it we takes the consequences.
Where I think there's a legitimate gripe is the inconsistency of speed limits and the rationale for them which results in perfectly OK drivers/riders (meaning me of course R#? ) being restricted rather than the powers that be actually dealing with the dangerous tossers.
So over the cat and fiddle I either do 50 or take the risk of being 10+mph over the limit instead of being legal at 60mph. It can't be a logical limit for "safety" as there are plenty of other roads in the county with a speed limit which would cheefully kill you if you stuck to it at all points of the road.
And as for the "cost to emergency services" - OK reclaim it all from the insurance of the those who dump it (maybe one day me).
It's just the power crazed idiots running(?) the country locally/nationally who want to big nannys and decide whats good for us and control everything.
No doubt they'll finally get around to the safest system by introducing the old tried and tested method of requiring every motor vehicle to have someone walk in front waving a red flag. That should help road congestin and unemploymet as well as reducing the accident rate in one fell swoop.
I doo love a good rant you know !!
:yo:
Well some folks like to keep to the limits, fine by me that's their choice.
Some other folks like to use the bbird's power sometimes.... well and dandy too methinks.
When you do either is up to the individual and providing you're not harming someone else the rest of the world should go take a running jump.........
Where there are speed limits it also up to each of to accept/ignore them.... our choice and having made it we takes the consequences.
Where I think there's a legitimate gripe is the inconsistency of speed limits and the rationale for them which results in perfectly OK drivers/riders (meaning me of course R#? ) being restricted rather than the powers that be actually dealing with the dangerous tossers.
So over the cat and fiddle I either do 50 or take the risk of being 10+mph over the limit instead of being legal at 60mph. It can't be a logical limit for "safety" as there are plenty of other roads in the county with a speed limit which would cheefully kill you if you stuck to it at all points of the road.
And as for the "cost to emergency services" - OK reclaim it all from the insurance of the those who dump it (maybe one day me).
It's just the power crazed idiots running(?) the country locally/nationally who want to big nannys and decide whats good for us and control everything.
No doubt they'll finally get around to the safest system by introducing the old tried and tested method of requiring every motor vehicle to have someone walk in front waving a red flag. That should help road congestin and unemploymet as well as reducing the accident rate in one fell swoop.
I doo love a good rant you know !!
:yo:
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NoBBy
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Just to let you know, my mate got 48 day ban and ?250 fine, not bad for 124.9mph in a 60.
wonder if it had been 125.1 would things have been diffrent
wonder if it had been 125.1 would things have been diffrent
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nitehawk
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NoBBy said:
Jammy Bast*rd :bow:
Glad it was nothing worse... as was said "there for the grace of God...."
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the all new REEFER
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wait till it comes to insurance renewal time though!
insurers want to know about bans for 10 years regardless of what the ban was for and it doesnt matter if it comes off in 5 years..you technicaly still need to declare it for 10..i know as i have a ferking 14 day ban on mine..wish i had got points now:bang:
insurers want to know about bans for 10 years regardless of what the ban was for and it doesnt matter if it comes off in 5 years..you technicaly still need to declare it for 10..i know as i have a ferking 14 day ban on mine..wish i had got points now:bang:
ericonblackbird
Registered User
Just for info there is another option in the UK when 'caught' by camera (fixed or mobile) with an alleged high speed.
Do not fill in the form that will be kindly sent to you by your friendly 'camera partnership'. You will then be summonsed for an offence under s172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. This offence attracts a maximum of 3 points (to be raised next year to 6 points) but usually a higher fine (generally ?200-300).
So if loss of license is a possibility this course of action has to be considered.
Finally a s172 offence (code ms90) is usually disliked by insurance companies although this varies.
Regards
Pete
Do not fill in the form that will be kindly sent to you by your friendly 'camera partnership'. You will then be summonsed for an offence under s172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. This offence attracts a maximum of 3 points (to be raised next year to 6 points) but usually a higher fine (generally ?200-300).
So if loss of license is a possibility this course of action has to be considered.
Finally a s172 offence (code ms90) is usually disliked by insurance companies although this varies.
Regards
Pete
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Rods
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maybe someone could explain. a mate of mine was done for doing 114 on the m3. he got a 6 month ban plus fine. he is a courier. he has of course lost his job for the next 6 months. why did he get off worse than nobby's mate, when his offence was less severe?NoBBy said:
ericonblackbird
Registered User
Hi Rods
In response to your question I will leave you to decide who has been 'lucky' and who was not!
The Magistrates Court Association has set down sentencing guidelines for speeding charges. They are as follows
For travelling up to 10 mph faster than a 20-30 mph speed limit or up to 15 mph faster than a 40-50mph speed limit or up to 20 mph faster than a 60-70 mph speed limit the guidelines suggest that the magistrates endorse with 3 penalty points.
For travelling between 11 and 20 mph faster than a 20-30 mph speed limit, or between 16 and 25 mph faster than a 40-50 mph speed limit, or between 21 and 30 mph faster than a 60-70 mph speed limit, the guidelines suggest that the magistrates endorse with 4 or 5 penalty points.
For travelling between 21 and 30 mph faster than a 20-30 mph speed limit, or between 26 and 35 mph faster than a 40-50 mph speed limit, or between 31 and 40 mph faster than a 60-70 mph speed limit, the guidelines suggest that the magistrates endorse with 6 penalty points or consider disqualification for between 14 and 56 days.
You should note that these are only guidelines and the magistrates can deviate from them.
As far as fines are concerned speeding carries a maximum fine of ?1,000 (?2,500 if speeding on a motorway). The guidelines also lay down fines which are very much dependant upon your income.
Regards
Pete
In response to your question I will leave you to decide who has been 'lucky' and who was not!
The Magistrates Court Association has set down sentencing guidelines for speeding charges. They are as follows
For travelling up to 10 mph faster than a 20-30 mph speed limit or up to 15 mph faster than a 40-50mph speed limit or up to 20 mph faster than a 60-70 mph speed limit the guidelines suggest that the magistrates endorse with 3 penalty points.
For travelling between 11 and 20 mph faster than a 20-30 mph speed limit, or between 16 and 25 mph faster than a 40-50 mph speed limit, or between 21 and 30 mph faster than a 60-70 mph speed limit, the guidelines suggest that the magistrates endorse with 4 or 5 penalty points.
For travelling between 21 and 30 mph faster than a 20-30 mph speed limit, or between 26 and 35 mph faster than a 40-50 mph speed limit, or between 31 and 40 mph faster than a 60-70 mph speed limit, the guidelines suggest that the magistrates endorse with 6 penalty points or consider disqualification for between 14 and 56 days.
You should note that these are only guidelines and the magistrates can deviate from them.
As far as fines are concerned speeding carries a maximum fine of ?1,000 (?2,500 if speeding on a motorway). The guidelines also lay down fines which are very much dependant upon your income.
Regards
Pete
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Rods
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cheers mate :beer: seems to me like system isn't very consistent 8l1nd 
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Rods
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sorry - the IMPLEMENTATION. of the system...c7u8
ericonblackbird
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Rods
I think you have hit the nail on the head.
The Magistrates system is really a mess (and I have attended many cases). What IMO makes it even worse is that fines are generally higher (15-20%) for those caught on 2 wheels rather than 4 for an 'identical crime'.
I originally thought I must be paranoid, but having questioned specialist road traffic lawyers and those who only touch this area occasionally my suspicions have been confirmed.
Regards
Pete
I think you have hit the nail on the head.
The Magistrates system is really a mess (and I have attended many cases). What IMO makes it even worse is that fines are generally higher (15-20%) for those caught on 2 wheels rather than 4 for an 'identical crime'.
I originally thought I must be paranoid, but having questioned specialist road traffic lawyers and those who only touch this area occasionally my suspicions have been confirmed.
Regards
Pete
bikesnoopy
Registered User
The thing is,why ride a bike that can do 180mph if youre only gonna ride it at 60? Go buy a CG125.
Fair play to him if he escapes a ban.We all do it & sometimes our luck runs out. When it does,its a fair cop.
A few years ago,i got done for 136 in a temp 30(it was more complicated than that...dont ask)and i was lucky enough to have a very good solicitor who got me off with 4 points and ?230,but no ban.It can be done in certain circumstances.
I currently have 10 points,but i still open the bike up at every SAFE oppertunity. If i get caught,i lose my licence,but thats the risk i take.
However,i dont EVER EVER break 20s 30 & 40s in villages & towns. I NEVER speed in built up areas...or outside schools at 3pm. I dont have noisy cans-in other words i dont draw attention to myself.
But,hell,when the mood takes me(at least once every day)i break the bloody speed limit.I quite often have a quick squirt up to 130 or so on my way to work-it only takes a few seconds anyway.I watch my mirrors like a hawk & never do it when the conditions dont suit...
So come on,lets not "tut tut" the guy for doing 124 in a 60. If youre that rightious then sell your Blackbirds & buy a Harley...:bang:
Fair play to him if he escapes a ban.We all do it & sometimes our luck runs out. When it does,its a fair cop.
A few years ago,i got done for 136 in a temp 30(it was more complicated than that...dont ask)and i was lucky enough to have a very good solicitor who got me off with 4 points and ?230,but no ban.It can be done in certain circumstances.
I currently have 10 points,but i still open the bike up at every SAFE oppertunity. If i get caught,i lose my licence,but thats the risk i take.
However,i dont EVER EVER break 20s 30 & 40s in villages & towns. I NEVER speed in built up areas...or outside schools at 3pm. I dont have noisy cans-in other words i dont draw attention to myself.
But,hell,when the mood takes me(at least once every day)i break the bloody speed limit.I quite often have a quick squirt up to 130 or so on my way to work-it only takes a few seconds anyway.I watch my mirrors like a hawk & never do it when the conditions dont suit...
So come on,lets not "tut tut" the guy for doing 124 in a 60. If youre that rightious then sell your Blackbirds & buy a Harley...:bang: