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BT020 V AVON SHOCK HORROR (Very Controversial)

1200Pete

Registered User
Well this is a debate that has run and run and I think I may have the answer.......

Over 10,000 miles ago last year I fitted a pair of Avon Asarco SO/T 46's to my Blackbird, this was after having two sets of Bridgstone 020's previously.

At the time I had no complaints about the 020 I just thought I would try the Avon's, well they were fitted and before I got home (a 20 min journey) I had both my left and right knee on the tarmac !, the confidence they inspired was out standing.

Then, with luggage I found a problem, the bike would weave and "shimmy" from the front end, after a day at Bruntingthorpe proving ground courtesy of Avon the problem was solved ( it turned out to be a fault with one of the machines, resulting in a faulty batch, I wont bother getting too technical now).

So a free set was offered and as this fault only upset the bike with luggage I decided to get the most out of the old one's, well I punished the old Azaros badly, including wheelies, rolling burnouts, continuous hard acceleration and two up riding, They lasted 5,000 miles, that is 2,000 miles more than any other tyre has lasted.

Stability ?, 195 mph Indicated, steady as a rock.

Wet weather ?, Well I have video footage of some pretty extreme lean angles in the rain.

The reason for this thread ?, I have just re fitted an 020 again, after 2 sets of Avon's, just to see what if any difference there was, well the difference is scary, I rode on the 020 the same as I would on the Avon and the Bird hated it, first off I had to stop and make sure the thing was not flat, the bike weaved under hard acceleration and kept stepping out when accelerating hard out of bends. The high speed stability I had come to know and love was also gone.

Now I know every one with 020's on there bike is going to say well mine are ok, well yes they are ok up to maximum mph, they are ok up to maximum lean angle, they are ok even ridden fairly hard, but if you want that little bit extra surprisingly it's got to be the Avon, stability is a little bit better, grip is a little bit better, stability under extreme acceleration out of bends is twice as good and the wear rate is almost twice as good.

See told you it was controversial :eek:

But hey that's just what I noticed :dunno:
 
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D.S.

Guest
Not contraversial at all mate

and kept stepping out when accelerating hard out of bends.
if ya reckon the Avons cure this then I'll be trying them next, cos I'm a bit fooking tired (no pun intended) of having to hold back when gunning for the exit :B
 
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reefer

Guest
HMMM..not trying to teach you how to suck eggs here but i gotta ask did you have the bird fitment 020s..i guess you did :dunno:
 

1200Pete

Registered User
Originally posted by reefer
HMMM..not trying to teach you how to suck eggs here but i gotta ask did you have the bird fitment 020s..i guess you did :dunno:


Yup !
 
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Moped_Man

Guest
It?s strange but..

On the German Black Bird Site, they say:
If you like to survive a fast lap on the Nuerburging, use Avon?s or Michelin.
And ?Dunlop-illo? if you like to fall asleep on your bike.

Perhaps you riding style is more ?German?, so to speak?

Where every thing below 3 Digits is classed as pedestrian.

best regrads

Moped

:beer:
 
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frenchuk

Guest
Herrr.... I'm about to change my set of tyres (quite new but Metzelers and although I've had great metz experiences with other bike I hate it on the bird, especially the front one), was convinced by all about the 020, and now you make me wonder if I shouldn't fit the Avons instead... :cry: :dunno: :h
 

Cruser

Registered User
Controversial 2,

Just gonna jump on Pete's soapbox here and agree with his post above.

I can't compare with any other tyre because never used anything else, but will be trying something else at renewal time. On a hot ride on a hot day the rear tyre was sliding out of corners and squirming underneath me as it struggled for grip. I reckon it was overheating and lost grip as a result.

Might try a 'sportier' Bridgestone next but worry about it's life span. If Pete reckons the Avon's last as long if not longer, they may be the way to go :dunno:

Anyone else out there got experience of running Avon's to the edge? :h
 

1200Pete

Registered User
Originally posted by frenchuk
Herrr.... I'm about to change my set of tyres (quite new but Metzelers and although I've had great metz experiences with other bike I hate it on the bird, especially the front one), was convinced by all about the 020, and now you make me wonder if I shouldn't fit the Avons instead... :cry: :dunno: :h

I think that unless you ride like a compleat loon it really dosn't mater :t
 
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reefer

Guest
but surely if your getting serious high mileage out of the avons then they cant grip as well:dunno: ..or have they come up with some super grippy long lasting compound:dunno:
but..having seen the way you ride the fooking thing..i think ill get avons fitted after the spain trip in that case
also i was in a brave mood a few days back and moved my leg out just a tad:eek: when going into a right hand bend..and the back end went walkies:eek: ..leg was bought back in in a split second and confidence hasnt made an apperance since:B :B
 

Cruser

Registered User
Ummm,

Originally posted by 1100Pete
I think that unless you ride like a compleat loon it really dosn't mater :t

Who would do a thing like that? :dunno: I thought all Bird owners were more mature and restrained and rode there bikes with respect to their machines and other road user's - well that's why I bought mine anyway :puke:
 
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frenchuk

Guest
I've been known to ride like a loonie but after dancing with death few times and spending 1 1/2 year in hospital I've become calmer somehow... but in French we say "qui peut plus peut le moins" which rhoughly translate as "who can do more can do less"... Plus, if they stick better and last longer (yes Reefer good point, how's that possible :dunno: ), it's a win/win situation init? Oh BTW was it the bird 020 specific fitments fitted on your bird? Because if it was and you still think Avons are better me think I'll have a rethink...
 
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Moped_Man

Guest
Re: Ummm,

Originally posted by Cruser
Who would do a thing like that? :dunno: I thought all Bird owners were more mature and restrained and rode there bikes with respect to their machines and other road user's - well that's why I bought mine anyway :puke:


I can?t believe YOU wrote that?

:eek:

Moped
 

1200Pete

Registered User
Originally posted by frenchuk
"who can do more can do less"... Plus, if they stick better and last longer (yes Reefer good point, how's that possible :dunno: ),

I don't understand the English let alone the french, any way if you have a look at a new Avon the tread is a lot deeper than the 020, apparently this is only possible due to the wierd tread pattern that you see on the tyre, but it dose take a lot longer to wear it all off
 

Gatso shy

Registered User
Yes Pete, But which ones GRIP BEST on GRAAAAAVEEEEEL..................



:t :t :t
 
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D.S.

Guest
[Cruser QUOTE]I thought all Bird owners were more mature and restrained [/QUOTE]

Russ,
Mature; hope not!
Restrained; fook NO


moved my leg out just a tad when going into a right hand bend

what the fook are you on Reefer? :dunno: stick to ya slowtrain mate and ya mate survive :p
 
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Electrick

Guest
Yes and No

I had Avon Azzaro's on my last Bird and the grip in the dry was superb. In the wet it was a completely different story as they always felt they were going to let go at moderate lean angles.
But I agree with the fact that you do get a lot of mileage from them.
 
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frenchuk

Guest
Is there a specific fitment for the bird, or... not? what is the name of the tyre for the bird, vital measurments, address, phone number, sexual preferences? I want to know all before to make sure I get the right one... Yes I know, I need :h
 

blumeeni

Registered User
I'm just about to change mine this week have been running on mitch pilot sports HPX the rear's just worn to the limit after 4500m the front still looks like new.
They've been ok but as Jaws advised they don't inspire confidence when lent over on some road surfaces.
So I fancied a change most in the club seem to faver 020's but I fancied the azaro's.A mates got them fitted to an old L model gixer 1100 and he rates them and is getting very good wear, the rear still looks like new.Handling seems fine too.
The other plus is they're ?150 a pair fitted and balanced if you take in loose wheels.Avon will also replace any tyre free of charge if punctured within the first 1000 or 2000 miles can't remember which.On top of that there was a coupon in MCN the other day that you get a free travel bag or fleece jacket when you send in the receipt.
Guess what I'm going to tryR#? blu
 
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Moped_Man

Guest
Originally posted by frenchuk
Is there a specific fitment for the bird, or... not? what is the name of the tyre for the bird, vital measurments, address, phone number, sexual preferences? I want to know all before to make sure I get the right one... Yes I know, I need :h

AVON FITMENT INFORMATION
Date: 6/2/2003
BIKE
Make: Honda Capacity: 1100
Model: CBR 1100 XX Super Blackbird Type: SPORT TOURING
Start Year: 1997 End Year:
Code: SC 35
Needs: ZR V300



FRONT TYRE
Name: 120/70 R17 (58W) AV49-SP B Sport
Rims: MT3.50-17 Size: 120/70-17
Pressure: 2.90bar (42psi)



REAR TYRE
Name: 180/55 R17 (73W) AV50-SP B Sport
Rims: MT5.50-17 Size: 180/55-17
Pressure: 2.90bar (42psi)

Info on Avon's

Best Regards

Moped
 

1200Pete

Registered User
Originally posted by Moped_Man
AVON FITMENT INFORMATION
Date: 6/2/2003
BIKE
Make: Honda Capacity: 1100
Model: CBR 1100 XX Super Blackbird Type: SPORT TOURING
Start Year: 1997 End Year:
Code: SC 35
Needs: ZR V300



FRONT TYRE
Name: 120/70 R17 (58W) AV49-SP B Sport
Rims: MT3.50-17 Size: 120/70-17
Pressure: 2.90bar (42psi)



REAR TYRE
Name: 180/55 R17 (73W) AV50-SP B Sport
Rims: MT5.50-17 Size: 180/55-17
Pressure: 2.90bar (42psi)

Info on Avon's

Best Regards

Moped


:dunno: Not sure you got the name right there Moped, should it not read ST 46, as in sports touring, I think from memory the SP is a full on sport tyre, no good for the Bird.
 
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