AVON'S crap or not

[D.S.]

Russ, you know I respect you as I rider and all round geeza, but

We are beginning to see mass hysteria forming here!

Isn't that the same MASS hysteria that resulted in the sheep all swapping from 020's or Bridgestones to Ding Dong Avon's then? :dunno:
You two should be in marketing mate :bow: (what hidden agenda?) :}

 

[RHINO]

Just a couple of points.........

I know what dual compound is! I have run dual compound previously but never suffered these effects....

I was not slagging the skills day, merely stating that it did'nt appear to be tuition based more as a play ground from what i had picked up from others.

Cruser, you showing me that front tyre does little to impress me......was it done in the rain :dunno: ..........this WHOLE thread is about WET conditions and on a whole overall wet riding whilst the bike is shod with AVON is not as stable and predictable as with my 010's.
I am leaving this to fester now, i'll go back to what I KNOW works on my bike with MY style of riding on Northern tarmac

As for 'thumb nail' testing on the tyre,, what a load of coblers...If there is a bad batch then they need inspecting not digging with a thumb nail and being thrashed around Hampshire on a totally different machine.
As and WHEN i revert back to BRIDGESTONE i shall contact AVON myself and send them back direct.

What qualifications do people have on here to give scientific judgement on the differences in 'Silica' content, compounds, banding and other factors,,,,beats me :dunno:
All i know is when i used to ride in the wet last year, earlier this year the bike was spot on but since fitting these Teflon Avon its been a nightmare!!! there scientific my ass, just fact you cannot escape.

 

[RHINO]

Isn't that the same MASS hysteria that resulted in the sheep all swapping from 020's or Bridgestones to Ding Dong Avon's then? :dunno:
You two should be in marketing mate :bow: (what hidden agenda?) :}

:bow: :bow: :bow:

 

[controlshed]

Guilty

As a relative mewcomer to this site, I often sit back and watch the sometimes 'heightened' discussions with some amusement. As one who added his name to the list of wet weather wanderers I think that Rhino is getting all the flak for expressing an opinion in which I agree to a large extent. So it's time to stick my oar in again.
In the dry, the Avons are the dogs doodas, I feel very comfortable. But in the wet, even after checking alignment, adjusting suspension and offering sarifices to the biking gods, my tyres do start to lose it a bit and on occasions become twitchy. Not once or twice, but often and so I have tailored my somewhat 'heavy handed' riding techinique to suit. It is not a figment of my imagination it is not restricted to one road or surface or area but it also doesn't impair my riding enjoyment now that I know about it (well.. maybe spices it up a little...).
I realise it has all been said before but as one who owned up to having concerns, 'tis only fair to risk being shot down in flames for what I believe.

 

[ianrobbo1]

just thought Id ask Rhino, since last/earlier this year with your 010s on you have said that you had some "problems" {and don't jump on me for misquoting to the letter} with your rear suspension, could this have had an effect on the bike to produce these symptoms you now complain of???
not being a riding god or suspension guru, I'm only wondering not looking for a fight, but one would defiantly affect the other, :dunno:

 

[RHINO]

just thought Id ask Rhino, since last/earlier this year with your 010s on you have said that you had some "problems" {and don't jump on me for misquoting to the letter} with your rear suspension, could this have had an effect on the bike to produce these symptoms you now complain of???
not being a riding god or suspension guru, I'm only wondering not looking for a fight, but one would defiantly affect the other, :dunno:

No IAN, they were shit before i messed with it,, shit during and still shit after it.. %$fan

 

[skippy]

John what tyre pressures you running :dunno:

 

[Cruser]

Joe & Rhino,

Joe, I know you're taking the piss. This is my get out clause:

I'm waiting for the first person to come on here and say that I'm just sticking up for Pete and/or Avons. This is tosh. I help Pete on the Avon stands quite often and hear the same reports as he stated earlier. I don't get feck all from Avon so do not have any loyalties.

Well done on being the first :}

Rhino,

Cruser, you showing me that front tyre does little to impress me......was it done in the rain

calm yourself m8. I wasn't showing you my tyre (anymore than you were showing me your rear [tyre!] earlier, although I also didn't see the relevance of that piccie :dunno: ), my piccie was for the benefit of Amsterdam and his questions regarding SP's etc.

But to answer your question, yes that was done in the rain. I had my knee down, elbow down and went round outside of Rossi in a downpour

Oh and by the way all, the Avon's are not dual compound tyres :beer:

 

[D.S.]

Russ

you know me too fookin' well :xm :} :f

 

[RHINO]

John what tyre pressures you running :dunno:

As it says on the tin 42psi, i use a RIDE recomended digital tyre guage and check them at least weekly and only first thing in the morning before i generate any heat into them.

 

[skippy]

As it says on the tin 42psi, i use a RIDE recomended digital tyre guage and check them at least weekly and only first thing in the morning before i generate any heat into them.

Have you ever tried dropping the pressure by a psi or two in the wet :dunno: You have an ohlins on the back if memory serves me right try dropping of the compression damping a tad see if you have an improvement (or not) you never know ...................



Sits back, pulls on flak jacket awaiting flames from the air pressure purists $%3un

 

[1200Pete]

Just a couple of points.........
As for 'thumb nail' testing on the tyre,, what a load of coblers...If there is a bad batch then they need inspecting not digging with a thumb nail and being thrashed around Hampshire on a totally different machine.
As and WHEN i revert back to BRIDGESTONE i shall contact AVON myself and send them back direct.

What qualifications do people have on here to give scientific judgement on the differences in 'Silica' content, compounds, banding and other factors,,,,beats me :dunno:

Sorry mate you seem to have taken this entirely out of context, the "thumb nail" quote was not in anyway meant to be a piss take nor scientific. Secondly I only offered to try your tyres out of genuine concern, I would have put them on a totally standard Blackbird and tried them in a controlled couple of tests, so that when they went back to Avon I might have been able to give some technical feedback.

I personally do not have any technical tyre compound qualifications but I have spent two weeks solid with the guy who designed that particular tyre, and been on Avon's test days, spoken at great length to many members of there technical staff about these tyres. As I said I am no expert but I take a great interest in how things are made and how they work. I have not quoted any facts and figures at you I have just tried to answer your technical questions to the best of my ability, most of it is straight out of the Avon technical brief.

At the end of the day I sell all my products to a very small close knit market and I could not afford to sell a product that was no good or dangerous, that is why I genuinely thoroughly test every product I sell and show great concern if someone is having a problem with anything they have bought.

I have said about as much as I can on this so and I will bow out gracefully and await the technical evaluations from Avon.

 

[Supabird1100]

Sits back, pulls on flak jacket awaiting flames from the air pressure purists $%3un

And half an hour later....still no flak !!!!!!

I think everone's pissed off with the thread Skip.....looks like yer safe !!! :bow: :}

 

[skippy]

And half an hour later....still no flak !!!!!!

I think everone's pissed off with the thread Skip.....looks like yer safe !!! :bow: :}

Eh give em time to regroup and recharge :}

I still think I'll give the Avons a go can't be any less grippy in the wet than my Dunplops I wouldn't have thought and I've done 8500 miles on them mostly wet it seems

Calling Pete do you fit the feckers yet :dunno:

 

[Supabird1100]

I still think I'll give the Avons a go can't be any less grippy in the wet than my Dunplops I wouldn't have thought and I've done 8500 miles on them mostly wet it seems

For what it's worth in light of the previous posts....had Dunlop 205's on mine from new and they were shit. Lasted forever....but terrible in the dry and wet.

Had the Avon's on for just over 3000 miles until I traded the bike....I found them fine in the dry and very good in the wet....but I'm comparing them to the 205's. Give 'em a try Skip....what you got to lose ????? :}

Got 020's on me Pan ....with Ultraseal installed !!!!!!

 

[skippy]

For what it's worth in light of the previous posts....had Dunlop 205's on mine from new and they were shit. Lasted forever....but terrible in the dry and wet.

Had the Avon's on for just over 3000 miles until I traded the bike....I found them fine in the dry and very good in the wet....but I'm comparing them to the 205's. Give 'em a try Skip....what you got to lose ????? :}

Got 020's on me Pan ....with Ultraseal installed !!!!!!

Mine are 207s they're "OK" wet and dry but lethal until they get a bit of heat in them, find they are really fussy on pressure as well so looking for something a tad better.

Ultraseal :} don flak jacket etc etc..........

 

[BossBob]

He He He, what a great thread

Some very passionate input, and nowt wrong with that :neenaw:

however.....

what tyre pressures you running

is the obvious question to all that feel uncomfy in the wet.
I'd also ask it twice. What pressures do you run on the road? and What pressures do/would you run on a track? The lower pressures on a track are to give better cornering grip and somewhere between there and the max is a setting that feels right for the individual.



Here's a wee read on pressures.
just another perspective

 

[davet]

Cruser
Your pic of the front tyre M8 still has some tread on :-: You must be getting slower

Super
Ultra seal you must be mad :neenaw: why not go for solid tyres. never get a punture then

 

[skippy]

Cruser
Your pic of the front tyre M8 still has some tread on :-: You must be getting slower

Don't look like he has left handers nailed yet either :}

 

[Fat Bert]

Nail on Head time

just thought Id ask Rhino, since last/earlier this year with your 010s on you have said that you had some "problems" {and don't jump on me for misquoting to the letter} with your rear suspension, could this have had an effect on the bike to produce these symptoms you now complain of???
not being a riding god or suspension guru, I'm only wondering not looking for a fight, but one would defiantly affect the other, :dunno:

Robbo has hit the nail very squarely on the head

RHINO - how the hell can you compare Avons [in the wet] vs Bridgestone's [in the wet] when every 5 phooking seconds you're fannying about with that Ohlins rear damper?

Got nothing to do with it I suppose?

Get a life