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AVON'S crap or not

blumeeni

Registered User
Right guys I got some avon 45/46s bird specific on for the last 3000m still looking good with loads of tread left.
In the dry they're fooking awesome as much grip as I'll ever need I'm wearing out knee sliders more than rubber.
I had a set last year and thought the same but that in the wet weren't very good.I swore I'd never use them again.
However after reading threads over the last year with all the good reports on them and being given to understand that the silica content had been increased to improve wet weather grip I tried another set.
I've only been out a few times in the wet but have found them still crap today out with Stan der Marn we had a bit of rain we both had slides at very moderate lean angles.
Is it me or what am I expecting too much from a motorcycle tyre I don't think so as when I go out in the wet on my 1150gs fitted with a hybrid mich anakee trailey sort of road rubber I can go through bends with far more confidence and lean.
 

Jon and Anya

Registered User
Blu,
well I( can only speak from what I have found. I did the rider skills day a few weeks ago and the Avons on the dry were fantastic, we also had some rain and being a little nervous abour wet riding I took it nice and easy for a few laps increasing speed and lean each following lap. The only time I got then to let go was on shifting down using the engine braking from 100+ on the straight and then giving it loads just before the tower, Those who were there will know where I mean eh Pete :eek: On Acceleration the rear spun up but in a controlled way that made me go looking for wheel spin. So, al in all I am well happy with them. Thelast 5 sets of rubber I have used were BT57's an I said I would never change, Glad I did. :beer:
 

blumeeni

Registered User
Hi Jon glad your happy with em but I'm damed sure if you tried that with the set I got you'd be off and sliding on your arse.
As I've said dry no prob lean lean lean great wet,different story and a change of undies every ride.
 

blumeeni

Registered User
lumpy said:
I play with mine in the wet, bike that is, and try to provoke wheelspin to see what it feels like. I try to brake harder than necessary under controlled conditions to find the lock point. I race cars in the wet too, on twisties, and don't get beat. (I pick my cars) so what the fook are you lot doing to provoke slides? It could be you are too tense and feel like the bike is sliding when it isn't. Tight head bearing feels like slides in the wet because you are more attuned. Relax and see if it feels better.

Yes. I realise you can lock the wheels and spin the tyre in the wet but it is all about knowing when it happens hence the experiments. I have had the rear off the road braking hard in a downpour so the grip is there. This was at speed to but was necessary to brake that hard.

What is your background and experience of bike riding? And no this is not intended to belittle your riding it is a serious response. Mac
Look I'm not talking about the rear spinning up on acceleration.
I'm approaching a bend so relaxed I'll go to fooking sleep if I blink,right positioning,speed,gear,etc,etc tip the thing in lol THEN the fuker slides I'm a very smooth controlled quickish road rider with some 30 odd years under my belt done level 1&2 California super bike school which taught me loads.
Braking in the wet no probs accelerating no prob lean OH fook %$fan :puke: perhaps it's all the sheep shit on our welsh roads :rolleyes:
 
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D.S.

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Bluewhatsit, knee down and Levels 1&2; you must be a biking God?

feck me, too much testosterone flying about in this thread for me; we are not worthy :bow: R#? I'm off to a slower world full of shite riders like me :blush: :} ......
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wait for me Ben, Wolfy, Dave, anyone :cry:
 

stan the man

you are not capable
i agree with pete[blu]in that in the dry they just grip and grip and have given me so much confidence in my riding and thus improved my riding over-all,but in the wet,i did have a few slides,and to be honest couldn't personally pin-point the cause as to wether it's down to the tyres or the un-favourable road conditions or just plain ME.to be fair,it's the first time i've had this happen to me on the azaro's,and will put it down to the road conditions.
perhaps i need to ride more in the rain/wet,or as mac says,perhaps i'm not relaxing enough :dunno: as i have only a couple of years riding under my belt and learning every time i go out.
 
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CbrDavE

Guest
I did the Scotish rally recently and after 600 miles in the rain agree, see below...
 

Quiney

Registered User
Last weekends ride to Edinburgh was my first ride on an Avon rear (I have had an Avon on the front for a couple of months) and whilst we didn't have any heavy rain, we did have quite a few miles of wet roads first thing Sunday morning.

There was a lot of 'feedback' from the tyre, especially where there was over-banding from road works. This was - in my opinion - more reassuring than the Dunlops which had little feedback (though I was happy with them)

I'll have to see what they're like in wetter conditions.
 

Jaws

Corporal CockUp
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Me, I have always ridden like a woos in the wet ( even in the damp come to that ) but I found out that I could scrape the pegs quite easily in the rain with the Avons fitted.. I found out bt accident cos we was playing in Italy when it suddenly rained like a fookin monsoon had hit..
Mind you, it should be worth noting I have the mix and match set up.. ST46 on the back and SP50 on the front..

Oh and I recently had the misfortune to try a Bird out that had Diabolicals on.. very apt that name when compaired to the Avons !
 
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D.S.

Guest
John, if ya talking about Diablos

all I can say is that they simply don't suit the Bird then :dunno: 'cos in 23 years of riding the Corsa and Supercorsa are only second to Metzler Rennsports & slicks IMHO.
For what it's worth, take a peep at any tyre test and they're always in the top 5, so I can only presume they don't suit the barge, rather like you rarely see Avons on anything sporty I guess :p
 

PsychoBikerBen

Psychotic Artworker. RIP
DIRTY SANCHEZ said:
feck me, too much testosterone flying about in this thread for me; we are not worthy :bow: R#? I'm off to a slower world full of shite riders like me :blush:

wait for me Ben, Wolfy, Dave, anyone :cry:

Dirty - You better do the next rider skills day mate cos doing loads of track days in all the various weather conditions that you have, just isn't going to teach you a damn thing....Is it. :rolleyes:
Besides, riding on the track is dangerous :}

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Allan1

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Ah but Jon...

Jon and Anya said:
Blu,
well I( can only speak from what I have found. I did the rider skills day a few weeks ago and the Avons on the dry were fantastic, we also had some rain and being a little nervous abour wet riding I took it nice and easy for a few laps increasing speed and lean each following lap. The only time I got then to let go was on shifting down using the engine braking from 100+ on the straight and then giving it loads just before the tower, Those who were there will know where I mean eh Pete :eek: On Acceleration the rear spun up but in a controlled way that made me go looking for wheel spin. So, al in all I am well happy with them. Thelast 5 sets of rubber I have used were BT57's an I said I would never change, Glad I did. :beer:
The track/circuit you were riding on has tarmac that is designed to be extra grippy and will provide up to 80% as much grip in the wet as a dry road.

I too was on Avons, and I have to say that in the dry - untouchable, but in the wet - they are very nervous. I much prefer Bridgestones in the wet, I have loads of confidence in those and get much more posative feel from them. However, I cant afford to have two sets of wheels, one fitted with Avons and the other with 020's which would great in an ideal world.

If Bridgestones had as much tread on them as the Avons, I would go back to them - Mmmm, I still might if I can find them the same price as Avons.

Allan
 

birdinflight

Registered User
Derek has been using the Avons for quite a time now

I think we have had two sets from Pete. Derek rides in all weathers and thinks they are excellent. If there was any problem with riding in the wet with them I have no doubt he would go back to Bridgestone.

I think perhaps it would be interesting to get 1200Petes view on this, after all he knows a fair amount about them.

I and I am sure everyone else does not thing you are lying about your slides, but there has to be a logical answer to the problem :dunno:
 

RHINO

Answering to nobody
WELL THERE YOU GO

All you numpties out there who doubted what I was saying months ago about AVON being crap............
Just shows you what comes out in the end dunnit. I have ridden thousands of miles in the rain and its only since fitting the Avons that the Bird has lost its edge. LUMPY, don't get on here now telling me i cannot ride in the rain coz over the last 5 years i have done more than my fair share of it oop norf.

Blu Meeni, dump those shite AVONs and put on a set of BT 010rear/ 011front.
Trust me on it,,i've had both and i KNOW which is a better wet tyre.

JAWS & PETE, are you promoting AVON simply because you have struck up a deal with a supplier :dunno: or are we gonna have to accept that neither of you commute or regularly ride in wet weather.
The AVONs are bloody dangerous in the wet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Below shows the use i get out of an 010 rear,, and that is day to day riding not track use and no strips. :yo:
 
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controlshed

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Ace in the dry, not too hot in the wet.

On Sunday, a nice man on a yellow VFR was behind me on a run and he noticed that I had one or two twitchy moments in the wet on the Avons. I find the back tends to be like that but the front is rock solid so I can live with it. I the dry however they both stick to the road very well. Next time round I may try something else.


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D.S.

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Ben
Track days are dangerous 'cos they get ya addicted :B :}


[BIF dribble]I think perhaps it would be interesting to get 1200Petes view on this, after all he knows a fair amount about them. [/QUOTE]
yep, a totally unbiased one :}

Rhino
No one forces anyone to make a purchase mate, but given the right marketing you can get joe public to buy anything :}
 
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birdinflight

Registered User
I disagree Joe...............

I am sure that if Pete felt that the Avons were not doing the job they should, safely, and if there were enough genuine and warranted complaints, he would take it very seriously.

and what is that 'dribble' bit next to my name???? :rolleyes:
 
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OzCrow

Guest
Do all you blokes run Avons or what. Nobody seems to ever mention Michelins, don't they sell 'em over there?

I have found that the Michy's are the most confidence inspiring tyre I have run on the Bird or the VFR before that. I'm currently running Pilot Powers front & rear and the grip is exceptional wet or dry. If you want a tyre that's going to give you a bit more milage than the Power then the Pilot Road on the rear is the go. I ran the Pilot Power/Road combo on my VFR with no probs at all. Got 11,000kms out of 'em.

Give 'em a go...you'll be surprised. Some pics can be found here in the tyre album:

http://tinyurl.com/4xep9
 
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D.S.

Guest
[dribbled by birdinflight]I am sure that if Pete felt that the Avons were not doing the job they should, safely, and if there were enough genuine and warranted complaints, he would take it very seriously.

and what is that 'dribble' bit next to my name???? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

what dribble :dunno: :}
 
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