why are our police so useless?

[Steve66]

Bogieknight

So you're ex RN. University education obtained through self study.
To top it all you've been a Special for five years , and are most knowledgeable about winter gloves, wow w;;v

 

[Bogieknight]

One thing wrong. Bird is blue. The better colour.

 

[rovinghawk]

The police were in a no win situation here, What would you have done?

Just as a suggestion, confirmed the ID as the surveillance team requested, perhaps?

So you don't respect them because they are the police?

I didn't say that. My meaning is that the support the police have traditionally enjoyed has been eroded over recent years due to several reasons, including
1) The perception that the only laws enforced involve pointing cameras and posting NIPs afterwards
2) Politically correct bullshit (eg not chasing those guys stealing the mopeds in case they hurt themselves)
3) Spectacular 'own goals' including the "Your horse is gay" arrest, a speeding ticket for the transplant organ driver, etc.

A friend of mine is a retired policeman and he made a very relevant comment a short while ago:
Most police tend to live an insular life- they tend to socialise predominantly with other police, attend police-based functions and tend to exclude non-police activities. This creates a them-and-us mentality.

RH

 

[RHINO]

I didn't say that. My meaning is that the support the police have traditionally enjoyed has been eroded over recent years due to several reasons, including
1) The perception that the only laws enforced involve pointing cameras and posting NIPs afterwards
2) Politically correct bullshit (eg not chasing those guys stealing the mopeds in case they hurt themselves)
3) Spectacular 'own goals' including the "Your horse is gay" arrest, a speeding ticket for the transplant organ driver, etc.

A friend of mine is a retired policeman and he made a very relevant comment a short while ago:
Most police tend to live an insular life- they tend to socialise predominantly with other police, attend police-based functions and tend to exclude non-police activities. This creates a them-and-us mentality.

RH

YAWN.
1) Roflmao, the only law enforced hahahaha, that image is cunjoured up by rattled motorists who get caught and want to let off hot air.

2) Political corrcetness gone mad, created by people with nothing better to do. The cops are dragged over the coals if someone is injured during a chase, its people like YOU who will point the finger and be quick to be judge and juror. The police are accountable for their actions and myopic people livving in a fantasy world are to blame for this.

3) So your saying that the very few incidents of such substance outweigh the good done by the cops??? Get real. I never see people coming online and saying what a fine job the cops do, thats because Great England is turning into a 'Negative' state of mind across the length and breadth.
Half empty glasses have fast overtaken the half full ones.

'I' don't socialise with the cops in any way shape or form, 'I' am an individual with my own personality, views and friends. The only cop 'I' ever socialise with is our very own MURT (and he's not a real one, he's with BTP) h1d1ng2

 

[mick the knife]

I would just like to say what a fine job ( most ) our British Bobbies do, and yes I have had my collar felt on a few occasions, and yes I deserved it.

 

[derek kelly]

If it wasn't for the guidance of a beat bobby when I was a teenager then I would most likely have ended up on the other side of the cell door.
Yes I too have had bad experiences with SOME police officers I have also seen the hard work & dedication shown in giving up their own time to set up clubs for under privileged kids teaching them skills & showing them that under privileged does not mean the end of the world, btw the next time you are stopped for speeding or driving erratically don't tell the copper that he should be out chasing real criminals because technically you are whether you like it or not a real criminal.

 

[RHINO]

Next time you are stopped for speeding or driving erratically don't tell the copper that he should be out chasing real criminals because technically you are whether you like it or not a real criminal.

:bow: :bow: :bow: Well said DK

The reply i usually use is " Well i would be catching other criminals if i wasn't forced to be dealing with you now "

 

[frenchuk]

Reading your post at least half a dozen times, I pick up on a little iddy bit of contradiction, do you believe in violence or not? If someone fecks about with your daughters emotion and integraty that calls for no response, but if they feck with her fanny you want to kill them??? Now please forgive this moron, but I cant work out when a slap is needed or not.

Mick, Smix answered you question in a way I would if was eloquent :yo: Basically, no violence but when needed to prevent violence against others.

 

[Smix]

:bow: :bow: :bow: Well said DK

The reply i usually use is " Well i would be catching other criminals if i wasn't forced to be dealing with you now "

I like that !!!!!!!!! :bow: :yo:

 

[Wolfie]

?27000 + bungs/benefits for spending 6 hrs a day nicking a kid who walked out with a beano from tesco's, 4 on 3 off, double time for the extra 1hr that they squeeze out each day, days off "training" where they play with guns fast cars and bikes big dogs, free football matches and a good pension. feck me where do i sign up.

 

[andyBeaker]

I was unfortunate enough to witness the immediate aftermarth of a five car motorway pile up on Saturday. Dust hadn't even setttled. I. like others stopped to help the poor bastards and didn't kno where to start. Do you help the obviously very badly hurt bloke hanging upside down in his seatbelt in a car on it's rppf in the trees. Or maybe the poor cow who was screaming in shock but looked unhurt? Or try and stop other lemmings from ploughing into the debris? Buggered if I knew. I'm just glad I wasn't the first copper on the scene with these decisions to make. Or the one to maybe tell the relative of someone who had been killed (fortunately not at this accident - heaven knows how!).

Not a job I would want. Give them a break!!:yo:

 

[rovinghawk]

YAWN.
the only law enforced.....that image is cunjoured up by rattled motorists who get caught

Leaving aside my clean licence, the word to note is perception.

its people like YOU who will point the finger and be quick to be judge and juror.

Actually i think that if the little buggers get hurt through their own fault then sod 'em.

The police are accountable for their actions and myopic people livving in a fantasy world are to blame for this.

So in a real (ie non-fantasy) world the police SHOULDN'T be accountable for their actions? Interesting point of view.

So your saying that the very few incidents of such substance outweigh the good done by the cops???

No. Read what I wrote. I said that incidents like this erode support. Don't put words into my mouth.

'I' don't socialise with the cops in any way shape or form, 'I' am an individual with my own personality, views and friends.

'I' said most police and was quoting an ex-copper's words.

RH

 

[BlackBirdBaz]

?27000 + bungs/benefits for spending 6 hrs a day nicking a kid who walked out with a beano from tesco's, 4 on 3 off, double time for the extra 1hr that they squeeze out each day, days off "training" where they play with guns fast cars and bikes big dogs, free football matches and a good pension. feck me where do i sign up.

You make it sound like a walk in the park !!

I still woudlnt do it and those that do deserve the respect they earn.

I will stick with locking up scum bags every night, after night, after night, I enjoy that, MIND YER FINGERS.......... man8um

 

[Jono]

No, I have fairly definite opinions.


As I recall, the intel was that no definite identification had been made and verification was needed. This was interpreted as "Shoot to Kill". Correct anything here that disagrees with official inquiry findings.

My main point, should you care to read what I wrote, is that big guns is not the way forward; thinking is often more appropriate.

RH

RH, can I suggest that you don't use this firearms incident as an example to A) Tarnish the Police and B) the Officers and other agencies involved. You clearly have no idea of what happened during the lead up to, and during that incident, nor the difficulties faced by the officers on scene or their brief.

Secondly, if your suggesting there is no thought process goes on before, during and after the police deploy firearms, again you are clearly misinformed.

What would be your thought process if confronted by a masked raider as he levels the sawn of at you, shit I wish I had a big gun?

 

[Smix]

I was unfortunate enough to witness the immediate aftermarth of a five car motorway pile up on Saturday. Dust hadn't even setttled. I. like others stopped to help the poor bastards and didn't kno where to start. Do you help the obviously very badly hurt bloke hanging upside down in his seatbelt in a car on it's rppf in the trees. Or maybe the poor cow who was screaming in shock but looked unhurt? Or try and stop other lemmings from ploughing into the debris? Buggered if I knew. I'm just glad I wasn't the first copper on the scene with these decisions to make. Or the one to maybe tell the relative of someone who had been killed (fortunately not at this accident - heaven knows how!).

Not a job I would want. Give them a break!!:yo:

rule of thumb -

your safety first - always
preventing others piling into the scene, second (no point helping someone if another car is going to hit you first).

as for the first aid side - try not to move anyone unless leaving them means they will die! (we have recently been given some training which included description of an acual incident where a person choked to death purely because they were unconcious, sat up in the car seat but with their head hanging forward cutting of the air supply) - the quiet ones are usually the bad ones!!


as for first policeman on scene - its a crap job, but they do (I believe) get some training in how to make the decisions necessary - but still a rotten thing to have to do.



And fairplay to you for stopping and making decisions - :bow: :bow: :bow:

 

[rovinghawk]

RH, can I suggest that you don't use this firearms incident as an example to A) Tarnish the Police and B) the Officers and other agencies involved.

Which would you prefer? http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/index.html
Take your pick.

You clearly have no idea of what happened during the lead up to, and during that incident,

By their own admission, neither did the officers concerned.

if your suggesting there is no thought process goes on before, during and after the police deploy firearms, again you are clearly misinformed.

Before: the surveillance officer requests identity confirmation as he was taking a leak when supposed to be watching. (Source- official enquiry)

During : they let him ride on a bus full of people when potentially carrying explosives, then rush onto a tube train, hold him down, fire 7 bullets into his head, 1 into his shoulder and one or two down the carriage. (Source-official enquiry)

After- Ian Blair talks about the puffy jacket he was later found to NOT have been wearing, nobody corrects his inaccurate statement. Woman in charge of operation later given promotion. (Source- BBC, Times, etc).

My personal opinion is that they did a superb job protecting innocent people in London. Except the one they shot, obviously.

What would be your thought process if confronted by a masked raider as he levels the sawn of at you, shit I wish I had a big gun?

Damn right- when I was in the military I had a very big gun. I also had rules about who I should & shouldn't shoot.

The problem with the military is that they don't like and won't accept any form of criticism from outsiders, constructive or otherwise. The police are totally different, of course, as this debate clearly shows.

RH

 

[Jono]

By their own admission, neither did the officers concerned.
Really, and where is that admission, unless you have questioned them?

Before: the surveillance officer requests identity confirmation as he was taking a leak when supposed to be watching. (Source- official enquiry)
Correct. Not police though.

During : they let him ride on a bus full of people when potentially carrying explosives, then rush onto a tube train, hold him down, fire 7 bullets into his head, 1 into his shoulder and one or two down the carriage. (Source-official enquiry)
And you would have done what? Remember its fast moving. Your playing catch up.

After- Ian Blair talks about the puffy jacket he was later found to NOT have been wearing, nobody corrects his inaccurate statement. Woman in charge of operation later given promotion. (Source- BBC, Times, etc).
And?

My personal opinion is that they did a superb job protecting innocent people in London. Except the one they shot, obviously.
Unless he'd had a device of course, which they believed to be the case, then tea and medals all round.

Damn right- when I was in the military I had a very big gun. I also had rules about who I should & shouldn't shoot.
Good to hear those rules work and the military have never shot the wrong person.

The problem with the military is that they don't like and won't accept any form of criticism from outsiders, constructive or otherwise. The police are totally different, of course, as this debate clearly shows.
I had no problem with criticism from outsiders, 'cause they usually did'nt understand, just like now really.
RH[/QUOTE]

 

[Rob N/West]

It seems the 'Plod' members of the forum , ( Why are they called Plod, is it for their swift and diligent response to any given situation ?) do not like general criticism of their profession or their colleagues. As well as wanting to Police us whilst on duty it seems they also want to Police our thoughts on here. Don't take it personally, it's already been said the public will focus on what the media portrays. Every profession has it's stereotypes whether good bad or indifferent, so why rise to it. Just accept the fact no matter what you do for a living , you cant please all the people all the time, thats the way it is for all of us , but it seems you lot want special dispensation to be considered perfect at all times. Just admit it some of the Police deserve to called cnuts , though most don't, and some are rightly rewarded and recognised for going above and beyond the call of duty , but in the main , the majority are just 'plod' doing their job

 

[Jono]

But us Virgin train drivers just love gettin' involved in a good debate, and it was all goin' so well! g0nn3

 

[rovinghawk]

Correct. Not police though.

I feel that the police were involved, even if only peripherally.

RH