why are our police so useless?

[solorider]

this evening some young brats of teenagers decided to try and steel one of my bikes,they broke into my garage smashing 2 locks in the process,then breaking the steeing lock,luckily the lock and cable were intact stopping them from pushing the bike away,normally i dont go to my garage during the week but today was different and i cought one of them in the act but the t**t got away.i phoned the police and they said you might get a call ,but i didnt,they said the scenes of crime may come out,they didnt.when i said about the bike they said they couldnt use that for prints cos anyone could have touched it despite i have cought them in the act!they said that all that they were interested in is inside tha garage,which wasnt touched!useless t***s.called the council to secure the door and he couldnt because all he had were 3 inch wood screws and he couldnt screw them into the metal frame of the garage!



so as you can see im a little pi**ed off

 

[Mozza]

sounds like the perfect excuse to say to the mrs " sorry love, but the bikes staying in the litchen " to me mate.

at least you know it's safe then, till she uses it as an ironing board that is........ oh is that a bit of a sexist remark ? nah, i love ironing, but still, best safe than sorry eh

 

[silverfox.xx]

I dnot know how far away from the garage you live, but a remote movement sensor might be worth having, the twats now know whats in the garage. Really sorry to hear of the grief and non support you are getting from people who rely on your taxes....

 

[solorider]

I dnot know how far away from the garage you live, but a remote movement sensor might be worth having, the twats now know whats in the garage. Really sorry to hear of the grief and non support you are getting from people who rely on your taxes....

the garage is 6 miles from my house and 60feet from my sisters house,couldnt set a movement alarm due to there being a road between the garage and her house

 

[derek kelly]

To be fair to the police they are that bogged down with paper work over every job now they have to weigh up
a] The chances of catching the scrotes
b] The chances of a successful prosecution
c] The likely sentence if found guilty
d] The dangers of legal action being brought against themselves
most of the little shitbags know the law better than the police & will use every trick in the book to turn things round making them look the victims instead of the perpetrators.
It is far easier for the police to give you a crime number & let your insurance deal with it, I'm afraid this is modern day britain for you

 

[RHINO]

Wind ya neck in!!!!!!

Before you start ranting and raving about 'SHIT' we are, take a moment to think that just maybe you have NO fookin clue about LAW and how a court works!

If they finger printed the bike and found some the lads defence would be that they touched the bike whilst it was parked outside the garage weeks before............end of case!
Fingerprints on something accessible to the public are not worth a toss. Finger prints on the exterior of a front door, outside of a car etc are worth nothing, a barrister would have it thrown out of court in moments.

So before you jump up and down saying how crap we are, please have a thought for the red tape we work around.
The 'Human Rights' act was voted in by the Government, a Government voted in the the public majority many many years ago.
Infact, you yourself are probably part to blame for it.
So when it comes down to it you should have said

"What a fine team of officers, they upheld the law and didn't once breach PACE (Police and Criminal Evidence act), now i can't go saying they are bent even when it suits"

 

[fatboystew5]

Wind ya neck in!!!!!!

Before you start ranting and raving about 'SHIT' we are, take a moment to think that just maybe you have NO fookin clue about LAW and how a court works!

If they finger printed the bike and found some the lads defence would be that they touched the bike whilst it was parked outside the garage weeks before............end of case!
Fingerprints on something accessible to the public are not worth a toss. Finger prints on the exterior of a front door, outside of a car etc are worth nothing, a barrister would have it thrown out of court in moments.

So before you jump up and down saying how crap we are, please have a thought for the red tape we work around.
The 'Human Rights' act was voted in by the Government, a Government voted in the the public majority many many years ago.
Infact, you yourself are probably part to blame for it.
So when it comes down to it you should have said

"What a fine team of officers, they upheld the law and didn't once breach PACE (Police and Criminal Evidence act), now i can't go saying they are bent even when it suits"

That is your view of things, and what you have said makes sense, but what about the victim here? You must be able to see it from his point of view too? He catches some kids breaking into his garage and the Police appear to do nothing. The general public don't know about the red tape, paperwork, and other considerations, they just want action taken.

What would have happened if above owner had caught one of the lads and given him a whack or two - bet he would then get done for assult and the thief awarded compensation?

On another note, you can get simple battery powered motion alarms for garages - I know you will not hear it 6 miles away but your sister might and it may scare off the thieves...or can you fit a proper defence barrier 'thingy' that is set in concrete / bolted into the floor in front of the garage door?

Hope you get it all fixed up quickly mate!

 

[BlackBirdBaz]

On another note, you can get simple battery powered motion alarms for garages - I know you will not hear it 6 miles away but your sister might and it may scare off the thieves...or can you fit a proper defence barrier 'thingy' that is set in concrete / bolted into the floor in front of the garage door?

Hope you get it all fixed up quickly mate!

It might appear excessive but if you only use the garage for bikes why not fit a cage within the garage thats bolted to the floor and padlocked ?

 

[fatboystew5]

Just re-read the original thread and it looks like the garage is rented, so that rules out any major alterations like cages and garage defenders drilled into the floor.....shame!


Do you have power in the garage? You can get a simple CCTV camera and record the image to disc (hard disc recorder or even a VCR!) so if it happens again you have the thieves faces on film? That kind of stuff is pretty cheap nowadays....

 

[RHINO]

I've been a victim, make no mistake there.

What i'm getting at is that he comes on slagging the cops for doing nothing when he clearly knows NOTHING about procedure and evidence gathering.
If he wasn't happy then 1st port of call is the local cops and they would explain as I have done. To come on here, where there are many members in the same profession, and say we are 'Useless'.......naaaa soz, gets my back up.
So many people want miracles and everything in their favour, its impossible.
If he had caught the lad there would have been no need to 'beat him up', simply restrain him until the cops arrive, if necessary force is needed and it can be justified then use it.
Fingerprints on a motorcycle are not worth a wank, a court knows it, the scum know it and thats that. Had they taken fingerprints and arrested the lad/s, taken it to court, got thrown out THEN showed the victim the tax payers bill for doing it, maybe there would be a different attitude.
Its not about what the victim 'wants' its about what suitable & necessary action should be taken and what 'positive evidence' can be gained.

I believe they did offer to print the inside of the garage, how he knows they didn't touch owt inside mistifies me, he didn't see the whole offence otherwise they wouldn't have had chance to do what dmaage they did....!

 

[marcella]

The text was getting bigger and bigger there for a while.

There are occasions where the Police are appalling, and generally most cases where they are not. Most of the piss poor response from the Police is due to under resourcing and the crime firgures that need to be produced. It is always an emotive thing when something like this happens and we almost expect the Police to give 100% to our case because it is most relevant to us. Ignorance on our part in not knowing what is required to make a case doesn't help as it all seems so obvious to our simplistic minds. I have had cases where it has not been possible or practical to proceed with things, and then my nipper gets 3pts and fined for no front L plate. Different departments and different mentality.

Also remember that a first post, lots of times, is blowing off steam, and in the cold light of day a more reasonable attitude happens. But other times not. It is very frustrating but hey, shit happens.

just about the most sensible thing you've ever said mac:bow:

 

[silverfox.xx]

The text was getting bigger and bigger there for a while.

There are occasions where the Police are appalling, and generally most cases where they are not. Most of the piss poor response from the Police is due to under resourcing and the crime firgures that need to be produced. It is always an emotive thing when something like this happens and we almost expect the Police to give 100% to our case because it is most relevant to us. Ignorance on our part in not knowing what is required to make a case doesn't help as it all seems so obvious to our simplistic minds. I have had cases where it has not been possible or practical to proceed with things, and then my nipper gets 3pts and fined for no front L plate. Different departments and different mentality.

Also remember that a first post, lots of times, is blowing off steam, and in the cold light of day a more reasonable attitude happens. But other times not. It is very frustrating but hey, shit happens.

Against my better judgement, I have to agree. :bang:

 

[andy102]

If he had caught the lad there would have been no need to 'beat him up', simply restrain him until the cops arrive, if necessary force is needed and it can be justified then use it.

Yeah right you 'restrain' the little shit, he then complains that you assulted him and I can gaurantee that you'll be the one arrested(whether there is evidence or not).There has been two cases (one guy ended up in prison for a week) both of which were thrown out of court by the judge.

Now you're a decent bloke Rhino and I'm sure you would apply common sense to the issue but there seems to be too many police officers out there who don't.

A few years ago I went out to find some scum driving off in my car, I rang the police and then went out in the wifes car to see if I could find them, I got a lecture off the two snotty twats who finally turned up about 3 hours later on how they would have arrested me if they'd caught me trying to stop or chase the scum who'd stolen MY car, though I had never once said I was doing more than looking for it.

Oh and the little shits had been seen trying to break into cars about an hour earlier; the police had been phoned by a neighbour and they did'nt bother following that up, if they had, they would have caught the little sods red handed or ; at the very least a police presence would have disuaded themfrom carrying on.

Sorry but even after 5 years that experience still winds me up (the lecture from the coppers more than the theft of the car).

 

[RHINO]

Andy102,
I know exactly where your coming from regarding the car issue.
Our jobs are prioritised, life comes before cars. Members of the public have very little insight into the amount of jobs that come in v/s the number of operational cops available.
To you your car is everything, to a cop on a 10 hr shift it is just a statistical headache, sorry but its fact.
If at the time your car went missing a more urgent job was ongoing then yours would have taken a re grade.

The force where i am on average gets 3800 jobs per day, some are easy to deal with without a visit, others are more time consuming. A typical shoplifter can take upwards of 6 hrs to deal with, so thats one cop committed to the offence for over half a shift. An assault could take longer than a tour of duty dependant upon number of witnesses and ferocity of offence.
In an ideal world we could have our very own cop to respond at the drop of a hat, reality is far different.
We do the best that finances and resources allow, we are all dedicated to the job we do and feel shat upon when people don't recognise it.

LUMPY, 1st time i've ever read a sensible post off you.........the 1st post, not the other :tosser:

 

[Steamy]

As a member of the general public, it is not my job, or the job of others, to know all about Police procedures. Surely that is the job of the Police? All we know is what we see and how we are dealt with in our own circumstances. I, for one, had to call the Police as somebody had shot at my house smashing the two patio doors. The officer who attended (48 hours later) simply agreed that they had been shot at and smashed. He was absolutely no help at all. However, before Rhino goes into overdrive, I did understand his point of view and could quite easily see that there was a lack of evidence as to who actually carried out the "attack" and I could see that a conviction was impossible. However, a crime number was issued and I was able to claim on my house insurance for new doors (costing me ?50 excess) So, I shouldn't have been too upset about the way it was dealt with. What annoyed me was the fact that there was a scumbag running around with a gun (albeit an air gun) and they could have easily hurt or even killed someone with it. My doors were of minor consequence in the grand scheme of things.

If a criminal has been caught in a garage with obvious intent to steal, damage or destroy your property then surely you have the right to expect proper Police intervention? It sounds to me as though there was more thna enough evidence and opportunity to catch the people concerned, had the Police responded quickly enough. Now, this is just my opinion based on the postings. The circumstances could have been different, but I still feel that we, the public, are expected to know what goes on behind closed doors in the Police's world when, in fact, we just want them to protect us from the scumbags and respond when asked to. That's just my view, again.

 

[Embabe]

but I still feel that we, the public, are expected to know what goes on behind closed doors in the Police's world when, in fact, we just want them to protect us from the scumbags and respond when asked to. That's just my view, again.

Ditto. And Im affraid if someone tried stealing my car and nothing could be done I would be really peeved off also.
Everyone knows the police get stick from the public, but so does everyone that has a public related job, whether its serving up cakes or teaching in a school, you expect that, having a little moan here and ther but u get on with it!

 

[osprey03]

The police are not bothered about thefts, they are a political force used to up hold this governments policies. If you commit a so called racist act, then you see how many coppers turn up.

The only way for the police to actually work for the good of the community is for local people to vote in the chief constables, they would soon change if they knew their job was on the line.

 

[Jaws]

Rhino, agree with ( nearly ) all that you say and sympathise..

However.. two points mate..

First point is the issue could have been handled better by the ( proly ) civi on the end of the fone.. A little concern shown goes a hellova long way with someone who is angry and feel hurt or agreaved.. As a long serving officer you KNOW that is true mate.. and I am willing to bet you curse the feckin civies under your breath the same as our local lads do..

So before you jump up and down saying how crap we are, please have a thought for the red tape we work around.

And that is 110% true and is the fault, mainly, of the tossers up the top with scrambled egg on their hats, too much time on their hands and too few fookin brains !


Second point..... I must take issue with the following:

The 'Human Rights' act was voted in by the Government, a Government voted in the the public majority many many years ago.

Sorry, but the MAJORITY of people in the United Kingdom did not vote Tony B. Liar and his band of thugs into power..

A minority did..
yes it is the way our system works and is why it is so easy to manipulate by those in power.. but that does not make it right nor make what you say strictly true..
Accurate yes, true,, debatable at best !

 

[andy102]

Sorry to sound like I'm Rhno bashing (I'm not, honest officer) but you're missing the point of my post (I know I ramble a bit but---) my real grievance was with the way I was treated by the officers anyway thats me done with my rant, I feel much better now

 

[andy102]

oh go on though. Please

Nah he's bigger than meb0x2