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why are our police so useless?

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GazzMan

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siht lads......that was entertaining pmsl


Lumpy all serious

rhino all defensive

andy 102 ya just a siht stirrer




havin said that......................ill get me coat ok
 

RHINO

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I'd love nothing more than for the public to know what really goes on behind closed doors but alas it can't be.
Figures don't always add up in my job, priorities aren't always how they should be, its not my bosses with scrambled egg causing the trouble as a rule, its PACE and the HUMAN RIGHTS brigade.
The moment one of us puts a foot out of place we are pounced on, is it any wonder we do things by the book.

I treat people fairly, I treat them as I would wish to be treated however I WILL give as good as i get.

If one of you got locked up you'd want us to play by the book, we can't bend it to suit you.
 
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valhalla

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RHINO said:
I'd love nothing more than for the public to know what really goes on behind closed doors but alas it can't be.
Figures don't always add up in my job, priorities aren't always how they should be, its not my bosses with scrambled egg causing the trouble as a rule, its PACE and the HUMAN RIGHTS brigade.
The moment one of us puts a foot out of place we are pounced on, is it any wonder we do things by the book.

I treat people fairly, I treat them as I would wish to be treated however I WILL give as good as i get.

If one of you got locked up you'd want us to play by the book, we can't bend it to suit you.

I dont think people want the police to bend the rules....just to be there when they are needed......I,m not having a go at the police but it seems to me they respond to a thief in a huge supermarket owned by a multi national multimillion pound company faster than a thief in the general publics place of dwelling......now I think someone has to explain the meaning of prioritise to me as I dont get it
 
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Steve66

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As a career police officer with 30 plus years I believe that the GENERAL public receive a poor service from it's police service. Shopkeepers, multinational or not fare even worse. Unless you're in a prioritised group that's going to remain the case. Most officers used to believe passionately in what they did, and most of the traffic officers I worked with provided an excellent service to the public. Then came Gov't interference in the name of accountablity and almost everything changed, mostly for the worse. I can't begin to describe the frustration felt by most longer serving officers. Most of my former colleagues are jealous of the fact I've retired and are looking forward to theirs simply because the work load is horrendous, but it's the Govt's priorities NOT yours !! So in short, don't shot the messenger, not many of you would want to swap places ! :violin:
 

andy102

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GazzMan said:
siht lads......that was entertaining pmsl


Lumpy all serious

rhino all defensive

andy 102 ya just a siht stirrer




havin said that......................ill get me coat ok
Guilty as charged M'ludman8umman8umman8um
 

Steamy

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Claire's Dad was a dog handler in the Met for 30 years. His last five years were spent staring at the looming pension. I saw him get more and more despondant with the ever growing tide of red tape and PC nonsense that he felt as though his hands were tied and he was gagged all the time.

It's a shame the Police can't just be Police and not take on the role of social worker, care assistant, priest, go-between, taxi driver, and everything else that gets thrown at them. The Government are all Nazi's and the Police are used as their personal SS - total bollocks if you ask me. They should be left alone and not made to penny pinch and should also lose some of the shit-for-brains accountants that sit on high dictating what happens when they have no idea of real life on the street and only look at spread sheets all the time - turds, the lot of them! :mad:
 

RHINO

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Steve66 & Steamy

I was brought up around old school policing and it was something i wanted to do when i felt ready.
When i did join i found it was not as i expected, i am not allowed to think for myself, i'm not allowed to spend too much time investigating a crime, i'm not allowed to go to a different department ie 'Traffic' unless i fill in the application form with all the buzz words and to the exact spec they want..
When i applied to go onto the bikes 4 years ago i was knocked back as the application form had a few flaws in it regarding "buzz words" :tosser: I had ridden a 1000cc + bike for years at that point and they recruited 2 guys with NO bike licence and trained them up. :dunno:

I am soooooooo confused by how the system works it beggars belief.
 

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Totally agree with steve66 and rhino, the jobs FUBAR. And we ARE useless, our hands are tied, the organisation is riddled with political correctness, FAR FAR worse than anyone outside can imagine, I no longer speak to anyone outside of my close circle of colleagues, don't even think about any word beginning with "man" :xm BUT THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF FRONTLINE OFFICERS, they have to deal with all the shit out there as well as having to look over their shoulder for some tosser trying to stab them in the back from within the organisation to "further their own careers". So have a little support for the ones that attend your calls, it's not them you should direct your frustrations at, believe me they have enough shit to deal with, it's the ones back at the stations and the H.Q.'s, the ones you never see! :mad:

Finished now. s04pb0x6
 
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mick the knife

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A few years ago I had an attempted break in, one scrote was trying to gemmy a bathroom window, his mate had climbed onto a flat roof, up the bungalow tiled roof and set about a Velux window 4' above my bleedy head. At 5am your brains a bit fuzzy, but I was up and out the house, but said shitheads had it on their toes and away. The SWMBO in the meantime had rung the "old bill", and give them their due, they were there in under 4mins. They had a look around, surveyed the damage, said there was nothing else they could do and went. At 7.30am we got a call from crime scene who wanted to come out. I explained no entry was gained but still wanted to come round. He turned up at 9.30am same day, had a look at the damage to the bathroom window and said there was nothing he could do. Now this is the bit where I became confused, he aked if I wanted a crime sheet No' I reminded him that nothing was stolen, and his words were " I know that, you know that, but the insurance company dont, couldnt you do with a new T.V. and VCR." now WTF is that all about:dunno:
 
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Rob N/West

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The Police always go for the easiest conviction, I was unlucky enough to be caught up in a situation about 10 yrs ago. A man was threatening a pregnant woman with a baseball bat, I took the bat off him and a scuffle ensued. In the process of dis-arming him he received injuries needing hospital treatment. The ambulance took him away , and the Police arrived shortly after. I made no excuses for my behaviour. I admitted causing his injuries in self defence. Several witnesses gave statements as to what happened including him threatening the pregnant woman. The police left the scene but turned up at my home the next day saying I was being arrested for GBH. It was clear for anyone with a degree of common sense that this scumbag was a menace and a threat to others , the police could have easily put my behaviour down to self defence, instead they decided not to bring any charges whatsoever against him but proceeded to charge me with section 18 assault, because they felt they had sufficient evidence.This situation was hanging over me for about 18 months , and because I was sticking to my guns pleaded not guilty resulting in about a dozen days off work for the court appearances , 5 at magistrates and 6 at crown. When it eventually got to trial after all the adjournments the idiot who was wielding the baseball bat was the first to take the stand. My barrister asked him if he had threatened the pregnant lady with a baseball bat and also approached me with it when I began to intervene, he admitted he had. At this point , the Judge asked for the jury to be excused and told the prosecution the case was clear cut self defence and should never have been brought before the court. The case was dismissed and I walked free. Rhino, this is not a personal attack on you but please tell me what was the logic behind the police's decision. By the way I received compensation for my time off work and was even advised by my barrister to consider taking the officer(s) involved to court for malicious prosecution, which I declined
 
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R2B2

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valhalla said:
......now I think someone has to explain the meaning of prioritise to me as I dont get it
Me neither :bang:

When my elderly folk had some arsehole scrote trying to get into their house at 2.00am one morning my father was told on the phone that nobody was available.

Yet if you drive down Dixton Road on the outskirts of Monmouth and you accidentally let your sped roll up a bit you can be sure that their are two officers "available" and hiding behind a big traffic sign at the bottom with their speed gun, waiting to hand you a fixed penalty notice.

Now WTF's that all about??

What it tells me is that money raising opportunities :wank: :wank: :wank: take priority over the safety of pensioners in their homes in the middle of the night.

I'm all ears if anyone can explain it differently.
 
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roXXo

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We may have been lucky but we have never been burgled and we have never been the victim of car damage or theft.
7 years ago though, my youngest son then 15, was the victim of an assault and the perpetrator was charged with ABH and was convicted. The Police were very good. They arrived reasonably quickly, took a statement, gave us advice regarding the hospital visit, X ray and took photos themselves of Gareth's injuries.
The frustrating thing is that this low life had a string of convictions even though he was only 17 and has continued in a life of crime, never had a job and has fathered 2 children with 2 different mothers. One a 16 year old and one a 32 year old.
He and his parents had more help than anybody else from all kinds of services and charities. He had help in school and his type were rewarded with trips away when the good kids received nothing.
That's a whole new topic to discuss though.

Regarding PACE and human rights, it's the very same people who moan about the Police having to abide by these codes, who are the first to want to be shielded by them when it suits. The same as those who complain about the EEC but run to their courts when they don't like the ruling of the UK courts.

The world has changed since the 1960s, but the perception of the duties of Police by many on this forum has not.
Criminals are different and policing has had to change.

As Rhino has said it's about prioritising and quite rightly, protection of life comes before property crime.

BUT the police shoot themselves in the foot with the attitude of many bobbies and the fixation on the easy target, easy result i.e. the non criminal motorists and the fact that we hear the police saying "we need evidence". It seems they can only do something if they catch somebody red handed.
Yes, high profile cases seem to warrant some detective work but not your burglar, intruder, vandal or car thief.
 
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Bogieknight

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I'm behind Rhino and the other bobbies on here.

Rhino's response to the original posting was pretty much spot on I think. None of us like to be or want to be the victim and if and when that happens we expect a reasonable job from those whose responsibility it is to deal with it; the Police in this circumstance.

But pause for a while please before you toss anymore shit at the police officers of this forum and their profession. Society's general perception of social justice, police powers, legislation and criminal proceedings are far removed from the actual abilities and powers that the Police actually have.

The Police Service is constantly playing catch up with villains and criminals because these people know their chosen aspect of criminality inside out and are able to push the envelope and exploit loop holes in laws. Police officers are not experts in law, they are general practioners in the application of the law. Lawyers and crown prosecutors are the experts that judge whether something is worthy of being taken to court. All the Police can do is present as much evidence, gathered in accordance with PACE, and ensure that conduct throughout investigation is within the law and operating procedures. Once loopholes or areas of non-legislation are identified, the government acts subsequently to create further legislation to address such issues. Hence the catch-up situation.

Police officers are not social workers, relationship councellors or parenting advisors. They are not responsible for ensuring little Johny gets home by 9 because otherwise he gets in with the wrong crowd. Yet the police have countless phone calls from the public because they can't deal with their willful teenagers.

Society and Government all have their part to play in what Joe Public perceive as a failing or under-performing police service. Liberalisation since the 60's has produced a challenge culture to authority. Professionals are no longer trusted to know what's best for us. Coupled with the rights based welfare state and human rights legislation, we all have choices that our forebearers never had. But that has produced a laissez-faire attitude to parenting standards and a general opinion in society that problems are always someelses fault. So now you see we all know our rights and priveleges in society, when it comes to police issues and crime and we can challenge the Police because that's our right. Its easy to see therefore that those with mal-intent have certain cards in their hand that the Police don't.

In misguided efforts to drive up performance, the Home Office produce quantitative statistical procedures and standards that police forces have to adhere to (or they dont' get funded) and are judged by. Quality policing procedures have been eroded in favour of these because they provide easy political evidence of how good the government are at driving down crime. Crime recording standards and groupings change year on year to ease Home Office figures, so that they can be seen to be having a positive effect on whatever the public are worried about at the time. Money from government often relies on complying with Home Office initiatives, that are often flash in pan good ideas and increase bureaucratic burdens on frontline officers.

Many police forces across the country aren't getting enough money from central government. So police authorities try to raise more revenue through council tax but councils aren't allowed to raise taxes because of legislative capping. Does that make sense? Funding local policing from local people? How radical. You'd be surprised how many towns and cities are policed by so few police officers of a night-time because forces can't afford to put bobbies out on the streets. Overtime bans for anything other than targetted statistically sensitive crime are the norm.

That given, you see that increasing demands from the public about media hyped crime and a general attitude by the public that the police are responsible for parenting and are either too busy issuing speeding tickets or drinking tea plus increased bureaucratic and human rights burdens mean the overstretched, under-resourced frontline officer is a juggler of a lot of balls.

I came to a conclusion 5 years ago that the society I wanted my children to grow up in needed to improve. Decay in social standards are something that we all have an opinion on. But too many people stand on the sidelines and have a pop without thinking too much about it and without taking on some responsibility. I decided then to do something I believed was a positive step to make changes to my world. I volunteered as Special Constable and have given 4.5 years of my freetime to support frontline regular police officers. And before you say 'hobby bobby, all you do is stand around at carnivals and church fetes', I and many others like me have put ourselves out there, exposing ourselves to the same risks as regular PCs. I've dealt with town centre friday night street fights, chased de-camped car thieves on foot, been threatened at the end of a blade during violent domestics, attended sudden deaths, searched for missing children and handed them back to glassy-eyed mums etc etc.

So I've got a reasonable insight into what goes on in policing our towns and cities so that most of us can go about our daily business enjoying our rights and priveleges. The police don't get it right all the time, but most of the officers out their, regular or volunteer, believe in doing the best job possible under difficult circumstances and without full support.

Now I've had my say, before you sound off and slag off the whole of the Police Service, if it's something that grips you so much get out there and do something about it or let the people who do it get on without having to dodge more crap.
 

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Interesting thread this.

I am the son of a retired 30 year service copper (chief Inspector, retired 1989)who was able to use his stick without too much fear of the do good brigade in a time when villains largely accepted it was a 'fair cop guv. I am also the brother of a Sergeant who joined in 1980 and emigrated to Australia after 11 years service after;
  • being beaten up by two muggers while in full uniform on a Tube platform while Joe Public looked the other way in case they got hurt helping him out
  • seeing a drunk driver walk free after pinning him between his car and a wall leaving him off work for 5 months due to inept prosecution and smartarse defence
  • being suspended from driving after an accident which any idiot could see was not his fault (other than the idiot he knocked over!!)
I was done years ago for a minor driving offence by a copper who was so arrogant and unreasonable in his approach it was almost funny. I had the last laugh when a word in the right ear saw the papers go missing and the officer involved had his hat put on straight internally; can you see such a common sense and pragmatic approach happening today?

Gone on a bit of a ramble here; the point I am trying to make is that the vast majority of coppers are great but have an almost impossible job to do with their hands tied behind their backs. Of course there are a few rotten apples; that's life.

I work in financial services; when my lot get the arse about work, I remind them that we aren't doing something important and useful like serving in the emergency services, and, all being well, we will get to the end of the day in one piece and probably still alive. And, ironically, we get paid a shed load of money along the way, unlike our friends in the emergency services.

I understand the frustration when it seems the police can't be arsed, but they will get my support every time.:yo: If I had been treated the way my brother was, both by the public and the force itself, I think there might be times when I wouldn't be arsed either!!
 

RHINO

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Thank you to all those who support us in our roles, I respect the views of anyone but I will defend myself in all of this as the remarks were made across the board, that includes ME!

Its a very generalised rant from some folk, its like me saying "All garage workers are theiving sharks" or " All doctors are lazy bastards"...... completely uncalled for generalised remarks of no substance.
You spend a week working with me in my area and you'll soon change your views on how we operate.


How many of you out there have to deal with rapists and their victims, child death, fatal road accidents.................and the list goes on..
Don't DARE come on here and pigeon hole me because of YOUR bad experience, I'M the one on the front line with constant threat of assault or worse, I'M the one who searches the socks of the drunken prisoner on Saturday night, I'M the one who delivers the message of death to the family, I'M the one stood for 10 hrs in the rain at a crime scene..... I'm sorry if i'm not there 2 minutes after you called me but believe it or not YOU are not the only person who has my number, YOU alone don't pay my wages and 'I' pay tax too :rant:
All this for ?27,000 a year before TAX, NI and Pension.
 
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