Wurley said:
Therein lies another conspiracy theory, ie how much is it still costing us to keep hindley with her new identity & her freedom to walk the streets.
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should the death penalty be brought back??
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Therein lies another conspiracy theory, ie how much is it still costing us to keep hindley with her new identity & her freedom to walk the streets.
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Wurley
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Thought Hindley had done the decent thing and finally died http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/452614.stm :dunno:
Wurley :neenaw:
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Wurley said:
So did I until I was informed otherwise, did we ever hear the outcome of the autopsy? was there an autopsy? I can't find any evidence of one and if there wasn't it will be the first time there hasn't been one after a death in custody.
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Mac166
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What about the 2 lads or creatures from liverpool who abducted the young lad from the shopping centre. they took him to a railway line, stoned him inserted a battery in an orifice, knocked him unconcious and left him on a railway line to be hit by a train. Cold and calculated, and they were only 11 or 12 years old themselves. Now should they have the death penalty or shall we keep them hidden from society for the rest of their lives. Not forgetting the rest of their families.
I used to lock up a paedo that when we released him we notified the local police and they tailed him. As soon as he went near a child area like a toy shop, or the kids section of Mcdonalds he was immediately arrested and brought back. His name was in the top 5 most wanted/dangerous nonces in the country.
I used to lock up a paedo that when we released him we notified the local police and they tailed him. As soon as he went near a child area like a toy shop, or the kids section of Mcdonalds he was immediately arrested and brought back. His name was in the top 5 most wanted/dangerous nonces in the country.
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R2B2
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I 'spect Bush arranged and planned it. He's good at stuff like that apparently...derek kelly said:
R2B2 said:
Strangely enough I don't think Bush had anything to do with this one. but there was pressure from both sides ie people wanting her kept locked up for life and people wanting her released, announce she is dead give her a new identity & release her somewhere out of the way, removes the problem, I am not saying I believe this theory but I believe in the possibility of the theory & for anybody wanting to believe it the absence of an autopsy strengthens that belief.
everybody who dies whilst in custody has an autopsy because it is assumed that nobody just dies so they must have been killed by a nasty Prison Officer.
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R2B2
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Doesn't that apply to suspicious deaths and deaths from unknown causes? She had cancer didn't she....... or am I thinking of someone else?
Samster
chamon motherf*cker
Bring it back.
A spell inside is simply no deterrent to a good proportion of this country.
I know plenty of people who commit crime - do a spell - re-commit - do another spell and on and on. Prison is not a deterrent to these people because it's a doss for them. The truth be told, it's easier for them to exist inside than out. They are fed, watered, have telly, are warm and dry, have a social life, can get hold of virtually any drugs they need, etc etc etc. Is it really any wonder that they keep re-offending?
Have heard this from the mouths of these scum. The death penalty is the only thing that would make them think twice about commiting crime because prison is too fookin' soft and an easy existence for them.
Bring it back.
A spell inside is simply no deterrent to a good proportion of this country.
I know plenty of people who commit crime - do a spell - re-commit - do another spell and on and on. Prison is not a deterrent to these people because it's a doss for them. The truth be told, it's easier for them to exist inside than out. They are fed, watered, have telly, are warm and dry, have a social life, can get hold of virtually any drugs they need, etc etc etc. Is it really any wonder that they keep re-offending?
Have heard this from the mouths of these scum. The death penalty is the only thing that would make them think twice about commiting crime because prison is too fookin' soft and an easy existence for them.
Bring it back.
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Wurley
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If you die & have been seen in the 7 days prior to your death by GP or Dr, an autopsy is not perform, as she died in hospital therefore no autopsy.
I also think, and wait to be corrected, that this is how Shipman got away with doing what he did for so long!!
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roXXo
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Unfortuntely Sam the Death Penalty does not work as a deterrent. Criminals think that they won't be caught, and it doesn't matter how effective the Police are. Getting caught happens to other people!Samster said:
If the death penalty worked as a deterrent there wouldn't be any more killings.
There are no less killings in the states that have the DP in the USA or any country that has the death penalty compared to those that don't.
Punchy
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roXXo said:
It certainly wiped the smile from the two fishermen who were convicted of killing that student 3 weeks ago when the death sentance was passed. I'm all for the death sentence but what does piss me off is the police/cps suppressing evidence to obtain a conviction when it is very obvious that the evidence suppressed would have freed the suspect.
Roy
I agree Roy, As in the case of Stefan Kischco, if doctor belchetz's evidence had been put forward at the original trial then there would have been more chance of catching Lesley Molseeds murderer.
Sometimes [some] Police are so convinced of someones guilt, or the person arrested is a bad lot who has got away with so much for so long the temptation is there to plant/suppress evidence, that is why for someone to receive the death penalty it must be 100% guaranteed that they are guilty.
Sometimes [some] Police are so convinced of someones guilt, or the person arrested is a bad lot who has got away with so much for so long the temptation is there to plant/suppress evidence, that is why for someone to receive the death penalty it must be 100% guaranteed that they are guilty.
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R2B2
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That's entirely the point I was trying to get across DK. How do you arrive safely at 100%...? In Stefan Kiszko's case he was 100% guilty (for 16 years!), as are others who are wrongly convicted.derek kelly said:
R2B2 said:
I don't know how they managed to suppress the evidence of Doctor belchetz as he is one man who says it as it is, my wife worked for him & on the first day she met him he shook hands with her and told her she had a thyroid problem which our own GP failed to recognise.
we would have to be able to rely on all the evidence being accurate, and all avenues explored before the death sentence was carried out,
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R2B2
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It wasn't the Doctor who witheld the evidence - he did tell it like it was... Kiszko was infertile (it was nothing to do with erectile disfunction) and Belchetz stated this but the police witheld this evidence from the court.
What can you do (without the benifit of retrospect) when this sort of thing happens?? You can't do anything because at that time you don't know it is happening.
So what follows? Aw fuck it - he's guilty (whoever it might be), hang him. 16 years later - ooops is not good enough.
What puzzles me is how somebody can live with themselves knowing that that person suffered the horrific abuse he did in jail? (because of the nature of the perceived crime). I wonder how far they would've gone with it? Would they have let him hang? Shocking stuff, but as real as a real thing. This DID happen!
There's another big one as well. Can't remember his name now but I'll look it up. This one spent years in jail for a crime that didn't even happen! It was thought the woman was murdered but she had a terminal medical condition that nobody knew about. Under the hang 'em all rule he would have been strung too.
Be as thorough as is known possible........ but there's still too much room for error or corruption. It's a numbers thing. Get 100 right and there will be a percentage wrong.
What can you do (without the benifit of retrospect) when this sort of thing happens?? You can't do anything because at that time you don't know it is happening.
So what follows? Aw fuck it - he's guilty (whoever it might be), hang him. 16 years later - ooops is not good enough.
What puzzles me is how somebody can live with themselves knowing that that person suffered the horrific abuse he did in jail? (because of the nature of the perceived crime). I wonder how far they would've gone with it? Would they have let him hang? Shocking stuff, but as real as a real thing. This DID happen!
There's another big one as well. Can't remember his name now but I'll look it up. This one spent years in jail for a crime that didn't even happen! It was thought the woman was murdered but she had a terminal medical condition that nobody knew about. Under the hang 'em all rule he would have been strung too.
Be as thorough as is known possible........ but there's still too much room for error or corruption. It's a numbers thing. Get 100 right and there will be a percentage wrong.
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I know it is a large & varied area for debate & innocent people do get found guilty, but at the time stefan kiszko was sent down we didn't have the benefit of genetic fingerprinting so nowadays there is less scope for doubt.
If a child is raped & murdered & the dna samples are recognised as belonging to a particular person then I think it is safe to say that he is the perpetrator, and after a fair trial he is found guilty then I think he should receive the death penalty.
I don't believe that every murderer should automatically receive the death penalty, circumstances have to be taken into consideration ie premeditation, provocation, fear for safety, etc
The abuse that Stefan Kiszco received in prison from other prisoners and some officers was horrendous when I first arrived at Wakefield he was on our national rule 43 unit and one or two Officers [since retired] openly bragged about the treatment handed out to him, when Stefan was found innocent I often wondered how those Officers felt knowing the torture they dealt to an innocent man.
If a child is raped & murdered & the dna samples are recognised as belonging to a particular person then I think it is safe to say that he is the perpetrator, and after a fair trial he is found guilty then I think he should receive the death penalty.
I don't believe that every murderer should automatically receive the death penalty, circumstances have to be taken into consideration ie premeditation, provocation, fear for safety, etc
The abuse that Stefan Kiszco received in prison from other prisoners and some officers was horrendous when I first arrived at Wakefield he was on our national rule 43 unit and one or two Officers [since retired] openly bragged about the treatment handed out to him, when Stefan was found innocent I often wondered how those Officers felt knowing the torture they dealt to an innocent man.
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IN THRUST WE TRUST
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If you did it, if you admit you did it,all the evidence points toward you,someone say you doing it, no doubt whatsoever then it`s the death penalty. I don`t mean as a deterrent to others but a punishment to you. Trouble is this is the BRITISH judicial system we`re talking about, look at the history-too many mistakes.
Try china, call it what you will, I watched a programme on the chinese police....A guy raped and murdered a school teacher, cut up her body, put it in bin bags and dropped them all around the town and in the river.He was caught.The evidence pointed toward him.He admitted the crime and showed the coppers where the body parts could be found.Went to court, found guilty, taken out the next morning and shot.The family was then sent the bill for the bullets.All done within 3 weeks...:shooter:
Try china, call it what you will, I watched a programme on the chinese police....A guy raped and murdered a school teacher, cut up her body, put it in bin bags and dropped them all around the town and in the river.He was caught.The evidence pointed toward him.He admitted the crime and showed the coppers where the body parts could be found.Went to court, found guilty, taken out the next morning and shot.The family was then sent the bill for the bullets.All done within 3 weeks...:shooter:
Punchy
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It can be a bit messy though
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/female_executed_in_china_for_murder_Jul_17_2005.html :shooter:
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http://www.ogrish.com/archives/female_executed_in_china_for_murder_Jul_17_2005.html :shooter:
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marcella
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punchy mate????? jeez! send me your address i'll post you a pack of playin cards, got to be more healthy than the sites your visiting3ck04Punchy said:It can be a bit messy though
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/female_executed_in_china_for_murder_Jul_17_2005.html :shooter:
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