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should the death penalty be brought back??
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roXXo
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Those who would release the trap door, flick the switch or give the lethal injection.
Should they be then treated the same?
We can go round and round in circles and those who are so entrenched in their views very often rarely take the time to listen and to understand the issues.
I know that I can't be arsed sometimes and will say one thing that may well be 180 degrees opposite to something I have previously said just to be awkward. Depends what mood I'm in. It's then a good mental exercise to explore that particular position.
Do folk think before they post?
Do folk really believe what they have posted?
Have they thought it through to their own satisfactory conclusion?
Do folk repeat the same old mantra because they heard somebody else say it?
Because it is popular?
Just because a majority express the same opinion, does it make it right?
This subject can be debated until the cows come home. There are so many questions and so few satisfactory answers.
Isn't philosophy interesting?
Isn't the power of thought interesting?
Should they be then treated the same?
We can go round and round in circles and those who are so entrenched in their views very often rarely take the time to listen and to understand the issues.
I know that I can't be arsed sometimes and will say one thing that may well be 180 degrees opposite to something I have previously said just to be awkward. Depends what mood I'm in. It's then a good mental exercise to explore that particular position.
Do folk think before they post?
Do folk really believe what they have posted?
Have they thought it through to their own satisfactory conclusion?
Do folk repeat the same old mantra because they heard somebody else say it?
Because it is popular?
Just because a majority express the same opinion, does it make it right?
This subject can be debated until the cows come home. There are so many questions and so few satisfactory answers.
Isn't philosophy interesting?
Isn't the power of thought interesting?
Murt
Letch
I would like to say YES to hanging. But I do not trust the legal system enough, and I know that the death penalty does not work. So it's a NO.
But...
I do feel that, for certain types of murder, life should be life, with just enough food to sustain life, no 'goodies' ( visits, TV, weights, self help classes etc) and HARD BORING WORK. Every day.
Murt.
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But...
I do feel that, for certain types of murder, life should be life, with just enough food to sustain life, no 'goodies' ( visits, TV, weights, self help classes etc) and HARD BORING WORK. Every day.
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dhekalia
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Murt, thats all fair well, until the convicted sues the goverment for abusing his human rights, then he gets colour TV, sky, a bigger cell and 2 weeks in Benidorm,we foot the bill.
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Nosher
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Child related crime should carry the stiffest penalty.......
.....I detest the do-gooders and their poxy re-education and 'help' offered this genus of the slime of humanity.
End of......
...and to think I am paying my taxes to allow Meester Huntly a private cell so no-one sticks a screwdriver into his throat........
.....I detest the do-gooders and their poxy re-education and 'help' offered this genus of the slime of humanity.
End of......
...and to think I am paying my taxes to allow Meester Huntly a private cell so no-one sticks a screwdriver into his throat........
Roxxo, I have thought long and hard over this issue many times, it comes with the territory, in my view the death penalty works, ok it doesn't prevent every murder or every paedophilic act but it prevents a particular offender from committing the same offence again.
If only you could spend a day reading prisoners records and take in the graphic details of each perverted heinous act it may change your mind.
Believe me, what you read in the papers or see on the news about children being raped & tortured & murdered is only scratching the surface the scum that carry out these attrocoties are not fit to be called human & have no place in a humane society.
If only you could spend a day reading prisoners records and take in the graphic details of each perverted heinous act it may change your mind.
Believe me, what you read in the papers or see on the news about children being raped & tortured & murdered is only scratching the surface the scum that carry out these attrocoties are not fit to be called human & have no place in a humane society.
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roXXo
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I take your point Derek and I have many reservations about my stand point but killing criminals does not stop crime. Ever. Anywhere. We are a bad lot us human beings. Regarding punishment, I would like life to mean life and it should be a very very hard life. But I still find it difficult to sanction state killing.
It would be easier if I held a strong belief like Jaws.......
"to take a life is never right.. be it in the name of justice, war or religion.."
but I don't. I am sure that I could kill in certain circumstances and think that it was right.
It's a good job that we are not all the same.
It would be easier if I held a strong belief like Jaws.......
"to take a life is never right.. be it in the name of justice, war or religion.."
but I don't. I am sure that I could kill in certain circumstances and think that it was right.
It's a good job that we are not all the same.
Take the case of a Certain prisoner called Robert Mawdsley. he has been incarcerated longer than I have served in the prison service, he has killed since being in prison and as a result when he leaves his cell there has to be a senior officer and six officers, he is locked up virtually 24/7 in a cage, yes he has a television but he will never associate with others again.
Is this more humane than the death penalty?
Is this more humane than the death penalty?
More Humane Derek
to me that's not the issue M8. i would happily execute all murderers...well most anyway if you can absolutely GUARANTEE me they are guilty. How many times have we seen peps released as their conviction was judged unsound. there is no release from a hanging.....afterwards!
derek kelly said:
to me that's not the issue M8. i would happily execute all murderers...well most anyway if you can absolutely GUARANTEE me they are guilty. How many times have we seen peps released as their conviction was judged unsound. there is no release from a hanging.....afterwards!
Centaur said:
Absolutely mate, It would have to be 100% guaranteed guilt. but on the other hand take the case of the Birmingham six, they got a retrial and were cleared, however when a couple of them were in Wakefield (before I got here) a colleague asked one of them "Did you do it?" he got the reply "Of course we did it, it's a war" so guilty men are subsequently being found innocent, if they had faced the death penalty then there would have been no retrial.
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marcella
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i reckon the only reason for (and worthwile) cultivating and maintaining a civilized society is primarily to protect the weak within, by that i mean children, elderly and infirm wether that constitutes physical or mental disability, this one great rule offers (some) protection for these categories and curtails (some) of the wildest behaviour among the uncivilized.
the main purpose the death penalty provides is a sense of retrobution amongst the weak and or more civilized in such a society. i do not place my vote in any camp because i understand the need amongst the victims for such punishment and believe anyone strong (or sick) enough to take a life should accept the possibility a father or brother would wish revenge and rightly so. but then what do we do with the perpetrator of revenge?
when guilt is beyond doubt killers and child molesters have already despersed with human rights, they are obviously aware of them but decided it was right for them to ignore them!
i believe slack assed do gooders and liberals should button down on the future of this type of villain and prison life should reflect the severity of your crime, a lifetime of paying your way with work and basic ammenities and life meaning life would prove a far greater deterent, not many people can invisage themselves being executed, but we can all understand hardwork and poverty and no social connection.
or we could just shoot the ****s
the main purpose the death penalty provides is a sense of retrobution amongst the weak and or more civilized in such a society. i do not place my vote in any camp because i understand the need amongst the victims for such punishment and believe anyone strong (or sick) enough to take a life should accept the possibility a father or brother would wish revenge and rightly so. but then what do we do with the perpetrator of revenge?
when guilt is beyond doubt killers and child molesters have already despersed with human rights, they are obviously aware of them but decided it was right for them to ignore them!
i believe slack assed do gooders and liberals should button down on the future of this type of villain and prison life should reflect the severity of your crime, a lifetime of paying your way with work and basic ammenities and life meaning life would prove a far greater deterent, not many people can invisage themselves being executed, but we can all understand hardwork and poverty and no social connection.
or we could just shoot the ****s
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R2B2
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Like I said, I would LOVE to see the death penalty returned. I think it would serve as a deterrent to some, albeit not many perhaps.derek kelly said:
Trouble is, when is 100% guaranteed guilt............ err, a 100% guaranteed??
How many have given a moments thought to someone like Stefan Kichko (sp?). 100% guaranteed guilty for 26 years he was, as was reinforced by his several appeals. He was also kept in beyond his sentence recommendation because he wouldn't admit his guilt.
In year 27 it was discovered he was fitted up by the police and immediately released, but he was a shattered and broken man and died a couple of months later, survived by only his elderly mother as he was denied the opportunity to marry and have a family.
Under those rules Derek he would have been hung.
That's one reason why it could never be trusted to be 100% in this country.
Punchy
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Where the evidence is absolute and correct.. YES
where there is a possibility of error ..... NO
I now believe that any law abiding citizen in this country should be allowed to carry a gun to protect themselves. If you are attacked then you have the right to defend yourself. If as the PC shit heads say you are a law abiding citizen then you have nothing to fear.....
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where there is a possibility of error ..... NO
I now believe that any law abiding citizen in this country should be allowed to carry a gun to protect themselves. If you are attacked then you have the right to defend yourself. If as the PC shit heads say you are a law abiding citizen then you have nothing to fear.....
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In the case of Stefan Kishco, Doctor Belchetz provided evidence that stefan was incapable of getting an erection so was incapable of the act of rape, this evidence was withheld at the original trial.
Yes innocent people have been sent to the gallows but as I have said earlier far more people have been murdered & children subjected to torture rape & murder by people who would have received the death penalty than innocent people executed.
Yes innocent people have been sent to the gallows but as I have said earlier far more people have been murdered & children subjected to torture rape & murder by people who would have received the death penalty than innocent people executed.
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R2B2
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Blimey!!Derek Kelly said:
Not quite sure what you're trying to say really Derek. It sounds like you are justifying the death penalty for the innocent in order to be sure of sweeping up the guilty??
In other words, someone like Stefan Kishco could be hung because, in balance, the blanket death penalty rule would be certain to catch a few guilty ones to make up for it!
Try telling that to Kishco's elderly mother.
R2B2 said:Blimey!!
Not quite sure what you're trying to say really Derek. It sounds like you are justifying the death penalty for the innocent in order to be sure of sweeping up the guilty??
In other words, someone like Stefan Kishco could be hung because, in balance, the blanket death penalty rule would be certain to catch a few guilty ones to make up for it!
Try telling that to Kishco's elderly mother.
Innocent people are sentenced to life imprisonment, some serve twenty/thirty years, what awaits them on release the rest of their life?learning to cope with the changes that have taken place, trying to find employment [if they are still under pensionable age] in many cases looking to seek a return to the only life they know, in prison.
Life is hard and can be tragic unfortunately we will never change that, innocent people are killed crossing the street, innocent people are killed in the name of war, innocent people will go on being killed whether the death penalty returns or not, but hang a paedophile and you can guarantee that your children will never be harmed by him.
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R2B2
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Wurley
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How much did it cost us to keep Hindley? How much will it cost us to keep Huntley? What will it take to remove the threat of the likes of Alan Webster & Tanya French.
There is an argument to put these people down, to execute, to remove them from society permanently, to keep children safe.
Paedophiles continue to prey on children even after being caught and punished, the only ones that don't are those that are dead.
Revenge, might not be acceptable to some, but to me it's perfectly reasonable!
Wurley :neenaw:
There is an argument to put these people down, to execute, to remove them from society permanently, to keep children safe.
Paedophiles continue to prey on children even after being caught and punished, the only ones that don't are those that are dead.
Revenge, might not be acceptable to some, but to me it's perfectly reasonable!
Wurley :neenaw:
Murt
Letch
derek kelly said:
I used to work with the dog handler that was one of the arresting officers at Heysham Port as they were doing a runner.. ( And have a strong interest as I was one of the first coppers at the scene of the Mulbury bush pub on the night)
He was 're interviewed' when that lot had the re-trials...
He told them again what was in is arrest statement....
The older two ( can't remember names) were telling the others to "keep quiet and they will not prove we did it"..
The evidence was 'tainted' due to a test carries out by swabbing all suspects hands... 21 years later they found that the coating of a certain playing card they ALL admitted using can give the same result as nitro explosive... thus putting doubt on the evidence.......
So how come only THREE had the positive show for explosive after the tests ??
Guilty as sin and free to teach others how to murder..
Should have been hung
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KevKing
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The idea of the death penalty is surely as a deterrent as well as a punishment. Were we to get tough on "softer" crime as many other countries do ,then we probably wouldnt be in this mess in the first place. Corporal punishment in schools is a good place to start. Do what the frogs do and turn a blind eye to much European legislation, particularly the Human Right stuff - what about human responsibility? Being humane I would advocate beheading - its quick, unlike lethal injection and theres no chance of finding the wrong vein.....mmmm. The debate rolls on and all the time more wrongs are done.