Please can this thread be removed?

[rovinghawk]

I have read up on it Rob & it only served to convince me that it is a choice thing rather than a genetic issue

Of course it isn't genetic- every homosexual is the product of a heterosexual encounter.

there is no difference in the x & y chromosomes of a gay or straight person

Ever considered that there might be a difference elsewhere?

it sickens me when I see gay couples adopting children

Seems the wrong way to rear kids, I have to admit.

they used to say on the Jerry Springer show "God made Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve"

Well if it was said on the Jerry Springer show then it must be valid and enlightened.

RH

 

[derek kelly]

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

 

[rovinghawk]

Of course it isn't genetic- every homosexual is the product of a heterosexual encounter. Ever considered that there might be a difference elsewhere?

I take it you chose to ignore this bit on the grounds that it didn't suit you?

I'm putting forward a reasonable and logical debate- why don't you do the same rather than repeating bigotted dogma?

RH

 

[Rheumatoid]

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

Not saying I agree or disagree with you Derek but if you are going to use a reference to support an argument you should make sure it is from a more authoritative, reliable and objective source.

R.

 

[ianrobbo1]

Me, I couldn't care less about shit stabbers, in fact the more poo pocking they do leaves the crumpet for us "straight"!! types!! :bow:
also seems to me there's one person doing all this mamby pamby "PC" shit, why don't you take a hint and fuck off and preach your shit somewhere else!! :tosser: if someone's views don't agree with the doctrine your "PC" buddies preach you just cant leave it!! things change in their own time, forcing the issues just re enforces your opponents views!! and they will dig their heels in! :dunno:
thought I might make MY views plain!!

 

[andyBeaker]

also seems to me there's one person doing all this mamby pamby "PC" shit, why don't you take a hint and fuck off and preach your shit somewhere else!! :tosser: if someone's views don't agree with the doctrine your "PC" buddies preach you just cant leave it!! things change in their own time, forcing the issues just re enforces your opponents views!! and they will dig their heels in! :dunno:
thought I might make MY views plain!!

I assume you may well be referring to me in this most eloquent post. Even if not, you are the first person to make it 'personal'. Doesn't add to what on the whole has been a healthy debate with a number of different views expressed??

 

[derek kelly]

Originally Posted by rovinghawk
Of course it isn't genetic- every homosexual is the product of a heterosexual encounter. Ever considered that there might be a difference elsewhere?

I take it you chose to ignore this bit on the grounds that it didn't suit you?

I'm putting forward a reasonable and logical debate- why don't you do the same rather than repeating bigotted dogma?

RH

I didn't choose to ignore it I wasn't aware that it required a response if you consider what you are saying then you will realise that you are actually agreeing with me I stated that there is no proof that it is genetic, I agree there is a difference elsewhere they choose to have same sex relationships

 

[mick the knife]

From racisium to woofters in one thread, not bad. So i thought I might as well chuck in a point of view which may or may not help.

Fact 1- The only way shit should be pushed up hill is in a fecking wheelbarrow.
Fact 2- If we keep England white Christian, we wouldnt have a racial issue to debate.
Fact 3- If we were free to voice opinion without contradiction or ridicule, a true feeling of a nation would emerge.











































p0pc0rn41

 

[derek kelly]

Not saying I agree or disagree with you Derek but if you are going to use a reference to support an argument you should make sure it is from a more authoritative, reliable and objective source.

R.

What authoritative reliable objective source do you suggest? nobody has yet proven that Homosexuals cannot help the way they are. even the so called experts fail to agree on most things did we evolve from Apes or were we created by God? if you believe the latter then you will possibly have studied the Bible where it states "for a man to lay with another man as a woman is an abomination" or words to that effect & no I am not a bible basher I had enough of religion rammed down my throat when I was a child

 

[derek kelly]

From racisium to woofters in one thread, not bad. So i thought I might as well chuck in a point of view which may or may not help.

Fact 1- The only way shit should be pushed up hill is in a fecking wheelbarrow.
Fact 2- If we keep England white Christian, we wouldnt have a racial issue to debate.
Fact 3- If we were free to voice opinion without contradiction or ridicule, a true feeling of a nation would emerge.











































p0pc0rn41

Concise & to the point [no pun intended] :bow: :bow:

 

[Trumpet]

In the immortal words of the revered Monty Python ... " RIGHT, STOP THIS NONSENSE RIGHT NOW, IT'S GETTING TOO SILLY"

From the tone of the previous posts, I can feel the tension of not being able to ride ones Bike due to the recent rainy weather in quite a few of these posts ..... man8um

 

[derek kelly]

From the tone of the previous posts, I can feel the tension of not being able to ride ones Bike due to the recent rainy weather in quite a few of these posts ..... man8um

You mean people are actually put off riding by the rain?

 

[D.S.]

Well, I can only say that you must've read that in the sun or the star then because that is factually incorrect!! Whatever you read was wrong, simple as that.

But don't take my word for it... check it out for yourself.

Oh come on Rob, you have to be at least semi-educated to read The Sun and/or The Star. Based on what I've seen posted by Mr Kelly, I've concluded he's a Daily Sport type of chap :} .

 

[derek kelly]

Oh come on Rob, you have to be at least semi-educated to read The Sun and/or The Star. Based on what I've seen posted by Mr Kelly, I've concluded he's a Daily Sport type of chap :} .

Semi-educated....Hmmm :} as for newspapers I very rarely read them now but when I do buy them it is usually the Mail or Telegraph strictly for the crosswords

 

[mick the knife]

Semi-educated....Hmmm :} as for newspapers I very rarely read them now but when I do buy them it is usually the Mail or Telegraph strictly for the crosswords

Nah.... The Times.


























































racing

 

[R2B2]

nobody has yet proven that Homosexuals cannot help the way they are.

Do you think your own sexual orientation is a choice then Derek...?

So you are saying somewhere earlier in life you can remember juggling the options and consciously choosing to be straight...?

 

[derek kelly]

Do you think your own sexual orientation is a choice then Derek...?

So you are saying somewhere earlier in life you can remember juggling the options and consciously choosing to be straight...?

No what I am saying that people are naturally heterosexual it is only when people decide for whatever reason to become homosexual that choice comes into it. for instance how can a married man with grown up children suddenly discover that he is homosexual? people are confusing homosexuality & transgenderism

 

[R2B2]

Lol, I think you're the one that's confused about it!

So let me get this right.... straight people don't choose (ie Derek Kelly!), but gay people do....?

That's a very convenient homophobic analogy, wouldn't you agree?

Sexual orientation is either a choice or not. It can't be a choice for some and not others in order to exclude yourself and include all gay folk.

Come come Derek - you can't have it both ways mate (no pun intended!).

What I'm curious about is what's really behind your intense paranoia

As for the married man who "discovers" he's gay...... he was gay all along actually Derek.

 

[Rheumatoid]

What I'm curious about is what's really behind your intense paranoia

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i think you have hit the nail on the head. Derek is obviously angling to 'come out' and is fearful of what he has become!

R.

 

[derek kelly]

i think you have hit the nail on the head. Derek is obviously angling to 'come out' and is fearful of what he has become!

R.

I wondered how long it would take for this line to come out [pun intended] "you hate gays so you must be one" very logical....Not, is it possible that your reason for tolerance & acceptance of gays is because you are actually gay?
Why must I be paranoid rob just because I think it is wrong to be homosexual? I don't cross the street if I see gays walking towards me, if a gay talks to me I don't do a cross sign with my fingers & shout lurgy as I've said I treat people how they treat me.
As for choice, sexual intercourse is what makes us exist if everybody in the world suddenly decided they were gay then the world would come to an end we are born heterosexual as the natural progression of mankind depends on our heterosexuality it is only later in life that people choose to be gay that is my opinion & as yet there have been no medical facts to prove otherwise.