Dont you just love our police.

[osprey03]

The trouble is the mis understanding as to what the police are for.

People think they are for arresting criminals and such, but reality, they are a state run political organisation.

You call someone a racist name and see how many coppers turn up. demonstrate against government policies and get beaten, ( pro hunting), belong to an opposition party and get harrased/arrested, (BNP).

Good luck to all in the UK

 

[Duck n Dive]

To my mind the problem is the move away from "proper policing" to "accountability".


The first one is what most recognise as deterring the bad un's and catching them when they do bad stuff.


The second one is what politicians want so they can claim it's all down to them (if it looks good).

 

[bitontheside]

The trouble is the mis understanding as to what the police are for.

People think they are for arresting criminals and such, but reality, they are a state run political organisation.

You call someone a racist name and see how many coppers turn up. demonstrate against government policies and get beaten, ( pro hunting), belong to an opposition party and get harrased/arrested, (BNP).

Good luck to all in the UK

Just balances the books when dickheads on horses whip hunt sabs!!!!!!

 

[rovinghawk]

now the Prison are issuing them with condoms condoning what is still an illegal act

IIRC it hasn't been illegal since 1968 in the general population- is it any different for prisoners?

As for condoning the act, it could be considered an acceptance of reality (refreshing) and an attempt to reduce STIs- how can that be entirely bad?

As for the earlier comment about policing tax, we already have it- look at your council tax bill.

RH

 

[osprey03]

Just balances the books when dickheads on horses whip hunt sabs!!!!!!

There is never a copper around when you want one ..................

 

[derek kelly]

IIRC it hasn't been illegal since 1968 in the general population- is it any different for prisoners?

The act of Sodomy is still an illegal act in a public place as prisons cannot exactly be described as private then it is still an illegal act

As for condoning the act, it could be considered an acceptance of reality (refreshing) and an attempt to reduce STIs- how can that be entirely bad??

Mugging, murder,rape, high taxes, unemployment, mass immigration, these are all reality does that make them acceptable? as for reducing sti's if people weren't so depraved & raised their moral standards then there would be no sti's

 

[derek kelly]

Just balances the books when dickheads on horses whip hunt sabs!!!!!!

Couldn't have put it better :bow: :bow:
foxhunters, the scum of the horse riding fraternity

 

[rovinghawk]

prisons cannot exactly be described as private

To be fair, many of them have high, thick walls, locked gates, small enclosed rooms and a system to prevent people wandering in & out at will.
What would it take to make a place suitably private?

Mugging, murder,rape, high taxes, unemployment, mass immigration, these are all reality does that make them acceptable?

Not at all, but similarly to sodomy I would suggest that we should do what we can to lessen their bad consequences.

as for reducing sti's if people weren't so depraved & raised their moral standards then there would be no sti's

Imagine a bloke sleeps with a prostitute and catches something, which he then transmits to his wife. Her moral standards have been fine but she catches an STI anyway. I'd suggest your views are over-simplistic and that the world needs a certain amount of acceptance and pragmatism; this isn't meant offensively.

RH

 

[plastic orange]

I retired from the Fire Brigade 3 years ago, and still keep in touch with friends there. Like other organisations nowadays, it has gone overboard with political correctness, target fixations, and paperwork. I enjoyed my 30 years there, but feel sad with the direction things are going, and can empathise with Police colleagues and their lot.

However, what happened to the family who waited for a response is basically incompetence, and measures should be put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.
derek kelly - I understand how you feel, but you have to stand up and be counted - even if it affects your future promotion prospects. I certainly did (didn't get promoted as far as I could have), as I couldn't keep my opinions to myself, but senior managers if unchallenged, just please themselves.

Pete

 

[Duck n Dive]

Quote:
as for reducing sti's if people weren't so depraved & raised their moral standards then there would be no sti's
Imagine a bloke sleeps with a prostitute and catches something, which he then transmits to his wife. Her moral standards have been fine but she catches an STI anyway.


She gets it as a result of his moral failure .... so DK's point remains valid......

 

[morphgarth]

And Morphgarth wonders why there is a lack of respect for the police.

I actually don't think there is a widespread dissatisfaction or lack of respect for the Police, some people on here clearly have strong views and I respect their right to that. However, local surveys here actually show good levels of confidence.

The article here isn't about respect, it's about one individual making what seems on the face of it to be a very poor decision. The area that I work in has over 200 officers who deal with over 16,000 crimes a year not to mention the number of accidents, calls for assistance etc etc. Each set of circumstances involves people interacting and inevitably things go wrong. There is nothing that can ever be done that will eradicate mistakes. You all make them in your jobs but they often don't result in the same consequences or publicity.

Often these situations are ramped up by biased reporting. I have personally dealt with a situation very similar to this one where it made front page news. When I looked at the call from the member of the public it was nothing like what was in the paper. Even when the paper heard the tape of the call they did nothing because they were on to the next story. Sometimes they fail to understand that they erode confidence and ramp up people's fear of crime. But it sells papers.

What never seems to be up for discussion is all the really excellent work that Police officers do that I see every day. It seems much more interesting to focus on the negatives.

There you go, that's my view.

 

[Barrie]

I actually don't think there is a widespread dissatisfaction or lack of respect for the Police, some people on here clearly have strong views and I respect their right to that. However, local surveys here actually show good levels of confidence.

The article here isn't about respect, it's about one individual making what seems on the face of it to be a very poor decision. The area that I work in has over 200 officers who deal with over 16,000 crimes a year not to mention the number of accidents, calls for assistance etc etc. Each set of circumstances involves people interacting and inevitably things go wrong. There is nothing that can ever be done that will eradicate mistakes. You all make them in your jobs but they often don't result in the same consequences or publicity.

Often these situations are ramped up by biased reporting. I have personally dealt with a situation very similar to this one where it made front page news. When I looked at the call from the member of the public it was nothing like what was in the paper. Even when the paper heard the tape of the call they did nothing because they were on to the next story. Sometimes they fail to understand that they erode confidence and ramp up people's fear of crime. But it sells papers.

What never seems to be up for discussion is all the really excellent work that Police officers do that I see every day. It seems much more interesting to focus on the negatives.

There you go, that's my view.

Who were these surveys carried out by? Not police officers surely? I agree with you about the press but I have first hand experience of the police not responding when called. Too many police officers think they can do as they please because of their job. Parking on double yellows while they go shopping, speeding when there is not good reason to and I even saw one police officer drinking from a cup whilst driving. Now, these are not isolated incidents, I even saw a WPC using a mobile phone while she was driving this morning. Dont say report them because it's well known that if you do that you risk being pulled very often, just for routine checks of course. Come on all you GOOD coppers out there, sort the bad ones out.

 

[hellraiser]

The Police in this country are a joke a bad one at that.They give you a crime number over the phone and dont even bother coming out but if you forget to slip your seat belt on they do you then all right.Its easy doin drivers Its all the scum hanging round the streets they need to sort out.

 

[Jono]

Who were these surveys carried out by? Not police officers surely? I agree with you about the press but I have first hand experience of the police not responding when called. Too many police officers think they can do as they please because of their job. Parking on double yellows while they go shopping, speeding when there is not good reason to and I even saw one police officer drinking from a cup whilst driving. Now, these are not isolated incidents, I even saw a WPC using a mobile phone while she was driving this morning. Dont say report them because it's well known that if you do that you risk being pulled very often, just for routine checks of course. Come on all you GOOD coppers out there, sort the bad ones out.

I take it you followed them around while they shopped, and you registered their speed on an approved device, and knew where they were going and why, don't tell me, back to the station for more doughnuts???? You say it's well known if you report officers for apparently committing offences whilst driving you will be the subject of some form of vendetta. Well known by whom???? Lots of peeps outside an organisation looking in and suddenly becoming experts in how it's run and what happens if you do this or that, and all coppers are bad and if people speak out in the organisation their career is ruined, and bl4hbl4h bl4hbl4h bl4hbl4h , when really most people know Jack about it. I think I know how the building trade works, you know all builders are dodgy, I think I know how haulage companies work, you know all drivers go way over their hours and drive dangerously, and are all fat lard arses.
I don't really have a clue about them, I just think I do.

 

[derek kelly]

To be fair, many of them have high, thick walls, locked gates, small enclosed rooms and a system to prevent people wandering in & out at will.
What would it take to make a place suitably private?

As it is part of my job to enter cells as & when, the last thing I want to see is someone bent over getting a stiff one up the back passage, I'm sure the chaplains & prison visitors etc feel the same way

Not at all, but similarly to sodomy I would suggest that we should do what we can to lessen their bad consequences.

Castration would probably work to some degree

Imagine a bloke sleeps with a prostitute and catches something, which he then transmits to his wife. Her moral standards have been fine but she catches an STI anyway. I'd suggest your views are over-simplistic and that the world needs a certain amount of acceptance and pragmatism; this isn't meant offensively.

Which is why I said if people exercised a bit more moral fortitude they wouldn't feel the need to cheat on their wives & hence would not catch & transmit sti's, not simplistic perhaps idealistic but it is only morals that prevent it from being realistic

No offence taken mate, we all have opinions :yo:

 

[derek kelly]

derek kelly - I understand how you feel, but you have to stand up and be counted - even if it affects your future promotion prospects. I certainly did (didn't get promoted as far as I could have), as I couldn't keep my opinions to myself, but senior managers if unchallenged, just please themselves.

Pete

Perhaps that's why after almost 28 years in the Prison service I've not been promoted

 

[Jono]

The Police in this country are a joke a bad one at that.They give you a crime number over the phone and dont even bother coming out but if you forget to slip your seat belt on they do you then all right.Its easy doin drivers Its all the scum hanging round the streets they need to sort out.

Really, here's a joke for you then,
A friend of mine attended a routine domestic call to back up unarmed officers.
On arrival both officers were knelt in the street in execution style poses while a male covered them with a rifle, he took off over the gardens when the other unit arrived but was headed into a housing estate where lots of public were out and about, due to this the other unit did'nt spend time donning protective gear but immediately gave chase.
As a result my friend was shot in the head and killed.
Try as I might, I can't see the joke in that.

 

[Gforceuk]

Control rooms are manned by civilians, who unlike the Police are allowed to make mistakes.......

Incorrect.

There are many police officers working in control rooms .. and quite a few in nottinghamshire control room. Also as in most forces a control room sgnt and inspector..

 

[plastic orange]

Perhaps that's why after almost 28 years in the Prison service I've not been promoted

I applaud your stand - pity more didn't make one about the nonsense going on nowadays.

Pete

 

[ianrobbo1]

My opinion, as a "non copper," I think the majority of them do a good job the problems appear "to me" to be how they are instructed by their "superiors" to do the job, :dunno: I've seen first hand some of these "superiors" that have been "fast tracked" to senior positions make a complete balls up of the job, in squaddie talk, typical "officer" material, :wank: loaded with intelligence, but lacking the common sense or experience to put it to good use!! :dunno:you are always going to get dickheads in any walk of life, it may be that because coppers are more "visible" than say a manager in a big company, they get the flack as opposed to "promotion" in the private sector!! :bang:

Reporters and newspapers the true scum of the public world!! s04pb0x6