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Flying Scotsman said:
Nothing we said was it? :dunno:
well done that man :yo:
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Flying Scotsman
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LOL, i think the postage might be more than the sweetie, but thanks for the offer, again!!!!Artemis said:
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Bluey
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I never looked at Ians thread that was my choice there was ample warnings,after reading the last few pages i am surprised at peoples attitudes nick brett ,george and others you made your choice,we all have our have our opinions but to get aggresive......l think its time you grow up
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Yep, i agree, except i didnt get aggressive, look at Dereks last post, we dont agree, but id say 90% piss take. Right Derek?Bluey said:
Flying Scotsman said:
WRONG.....
100% piss take man8um
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The case for the Defence rests, your Lordship!!derek kelly said:
Flying Scotsman said:
I'm not a Lord yet, I've only got a paddock & a big garden
Well I may as well join in as evety other fecker has :bang:
I mentioned earlier that I didn't look at the post 'cause of the warning .. still the case now :yo:
I now know from the discussion here broadly what was in it ..... without the graphic detail of actually seeing it I can cope with that ... I've seen much that I'd rather forget during my life and still would not wish to view the post.
However, there are some important (I think) points which have cropped up here in the discussion.
1. Should someone be free to post this
... Hell yes for all sorts of reasons. We judge others and form opinions based on their actions. This posting is such an action and folks can judge it based on their value judgements. To some a hero to others a plonker .... but of course either way that's the individuals' opinion based on thier own set of values....... doesn't make 'em right or wrong - much the same as making the post in the first place.
2. Moderating The Forum.
My earlier mention of the cross forum Bob (I did resist from mentioning Black Adder although it was very tempting!!) was made in jest as a result of the timing of Lumpys recent foray........ however ........
I find it interesting that "bob" finds the moderating in this forum similar to the others when JAWS makes clear that this forum is broadly unmoderated.This suggests to me that it's simply "bob's" view that what he sees here is a bit riske/bit much at times but broadly OK...... in other words can fit his value judgements.
3. My View (personal of course).
This all reminds me very much of what complete freedoms are....... the right to be able to do what we want moderated only by our personal view of how restrained we should we be.
Also the famous line of "I disagree violently with what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it"
We live in a world where what years ago were considered natural basic freedoms are now fast vanishing ...... along with them I's suggest also vanishes the ability to apply "common sense" to moderate those freedoms.
We have generations coming through now who are so regulated that free will, choices ... and more importantly judgement and excercising of responsibility for one's actions are a fast disappearing ability.
On that basis I shudder for what the world will be like in 20 years time :violin:
As far as this forum goes I feel JAWS has it broadly right, along with jump up and punch yer eyes out approach of the members that happens when someone oversteps the mark ......
There are things on here which I sometimes find offensive -I've turned off the sigs as I didn't want my family to see some of the offensive crap that appears as one of my PC's is in the living room where all can see it when I'm on line - shame as I also miss the erudite along with the crap.
I exercise my right to ignore them ...... I don't need "rules" to tell me what to do.
But then I recognise that what I feel is crap might well be the height of sophistication, mental ability and wit to someone else. I don' seek to impose my values on others ... after all they are my values - so mitts off 'em.
I can only recall one time where I've been "offended" enough to argue a point on here about something which I found offensive ... that was a long time ago and was when we had the discussion about the faking of 9/11 .. which I found offensive as friends of mine died on the a/c involved. To many others it was nothing but a discussion of something newsworthy and to others a chance for a wind up.
Again depends on your personal values .......
So publish and be dammed I say .... even if I find it offensive - as the alternative offends my idea of freedom :yo:
I mentioned earlier that I didn't look at the post 'cause of the warning .. still the case now :yo:
I now know from the discussion here broadly what was in it ..... without the graphic detail of actually seeing it I can cope with that ... I've seen much that I'd rather forget during my life and still would not wish to view the post.
However, there are some important (I think) points which have cropped up here in the discussion.
1. Should someone be free to post this
... Hell yes for all sorts of reasons. We judge others and form opinions based on their actions. This posting is such an action and folks can judge it based on their value judgements. To some a hero to others a plonker .... but of course either way that's the individuals' opinion based on thier own set of values....... doesn't make 'em right or wrong - much the same as making the post in the first place.
2. Moderating The Forum.
My earlier mention of the cross forum Bob (I did resist from mentioning Black Adder although it was very tempting!!) was made in jest as a result of the timing of Lumpys recent foray........ however ........
I find it interesting that "bob" finds the moderating in this forum similar to the others when JAWS makes clear that this forum is broadly unmoderated.This suggests to me that it's simply "bob's" view that what he sees here is a bit riske/bit much at times but broadly OK...... in other words can fit his value judgements.
3. My View (personal of course).
This all reminds me very much of what complete freedoms are....... the right to be able to do what we want moderated only by our personal view of how restrained we should we be.
Also the famous line of "I disagree violently with what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it"
We live in a world where what years ago were considered natural basic freedoms are now fast vanishing ...... along with them I's suggest also vanishes the ability to apply "common sense" to moderate those freedoms.
We have generations coming through now who are so regulated that free will, choices ... and more importantly judgement and excercising of responsibility for one's actions are a fast disappearing ability.
On that basis I shudder for what the world will be like in 20 years time :violin:
As far as this forum goes I feel JAWS has it broadly right, along with jump up and punch yer eyes out approach of the members that happens when someone oversteps the mark ......
There are things on here which I sometimes find offensive -I've turned off the sigs as I didn't want my family to see some of the offensive crap that appears as one of my PC's is in the living room where all can see it when I'm on line - shame as I also miss the erudite along with the crap.
I exercise my right to ignore them ...... I don't need "rules" to tell me what to do.
But then I recognise that what I feel is crap might well be the height of sophistication, mental ability and wit to someone else. I don' seek to impose my values on others ... after all they are my values - so mitts off 'em.
I can only recall one time where I've been "offended" enough to argue a point on here about something which I found offensive ... that was a long time ago and was when we had the discussion about the faking of 9/11 .. which I found offensive as friends of mine died on the a/c involved. To many others it was nothing but a discussion of something newsworthy and to others a chance for a wind up.
Again depends on your personal values .......
So publish and be dammed I say .... even if I find it offensive - as the alternative offends my idea of freedom :yo:
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dufus
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to right kokface w;;v
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R2B2
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More people now jumping on the "lets witch-hunt Ian" bandwagon! It's so predictable!
I'm sure Ian's quite capable of explaining himself if he wants to... but why the hell should he? What's his motive?? What's his reason? Who cares! What's this - a court of law ffs, lol!!
I allowed curiosity to get the better of me and wish I hadn't - it was horrible, but I took a chance on that and ignored the warning.... my fault. I've no valid complaint with the poster if I chose to ignore the warning! I can't understand why people are demanding answers when they DID heed the warning? What's the problem?
Many people have posted links on this forum to well dodgy material and we've never had this ongoing shite before.
I once posted a link to a video which showed a bloke with his own dick up his arse - it was VILE. I posted the obligatory warning and there was no problem.
Someone once posted a link to a video which showed a motorcycle jump go wrong and the rider get killed.... right there on the screen. That was horrible too but the warning was there and nobody complained.
What's the difference.... ? :dunno: :dunno:
I'm sure Ian's quite capable of explaining himself if he wants to... but why the hell should he? What's his motive?? What's his reason? Who cares! What's this - a court of law ffs, lol!!
I allowed curiosity to get the better of me and wish I hadn't - it was horrible, but I took a chance on that and ignored the warning.... my fault. I've no valid complaint with the poster if I chose to ignore the warning! I can't understand why people are demanding answers when they DID heed the warning? What's the problem?
Many people have posted links on this forum to well dodgy material and we've never had this ongoing shite before.
I once posted a link to a video which showed a bloke with his own dick up his arse - it was VILE. I posted the obligatory warning and there was no problem.
Someone once posted a link to a video which showed a motorcycle jump go wrong and the rider get killed.... right there on the screen. That was horrible too but the warning was there and nobody complained.
What's the difference.... ? :dunno: :dunno:
And Rob my post does no "jump on any bandwagon"
It does say that he shoujld be free to post and he doesn't need to explain himself to anyone .. he's a grown up (well one day soon anyway) and so are (most) of us......... sh1tehppns
In fact having quickly gone back through the posts it somewhere back a bit where someone last asked him to explain himself .......
...... think you need to explain yourself Rob fl4g71
It does say that he shoujld be free to post and he doesn't need to explain himself to anyone .. he's a grown up (well one day soon anyway) and so are (most) of us......... sh1tehppns
In fact having quickly gone back through the posts it somewhere back a bit where someone last asked him to explain himself .......
...... think you need to explain yourself Rob fl4g71
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dufus
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Scuse me? show me where I have done this, are you accusing me of something you did about the chuffs gold levers? seemed you had no objection to bandwagon jumping when you were at it towards me.
Personally I show no favouritism, I'm quite happy to insult anyone
bait thrown, see the simpletons bite p0pc0rn41
dufus said:
Chomp, chomp, chomp ....... can I have some more that was tasty 3ck04
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dufus said:
Dufus chap you made a mistake so I corrected it for you... as I wouldn't want people being missled....
One sentance says it all, and its on my signature.
Ian, feel free to post whatever you like, as with everyone on here... if I don't like it I can always use the off button.