What is freedom

[dhekalia]

I'm free SWMBO says so, and says I am free to say I'm free

SO LONG AS

I don't spend any money
If I go out I take the kids to give her peace
I do all the work around the house first
I don't fit a sidecar to one of the bikes to take said kids out with me
and I'm back when she says so
........
that said I'm free, apart from Taxes,Rules/Regs, bills and the daily grind at work
c7u8

 

[Duck n Dive]

no.

because you are given the illusion of freedom everyday. by the media, gov.people around you etc etc etc.

But as I know it's an illusion and I don't accept it as reality am I not free from the illusion.......... that is I accept I'm not actually free so am free from the illusion of freedom.

 

[Centaur]

I get it

So free newspapers are not really free. I'm just reading an illusion....and free range eggs are not really free either! :bang:

 

[Wolfie]

that is I accept I'm not actually free so am free from the illusion of freedom.

no you can not get away from their gift, it is all around you.


free newspapersare def no free, trees died, their contents shape your minds, etc etc.

free range eggs!!! ahaha bet the farm has a feckin fence around it and the hens are put away at night.

 

[Duck n Dive]

There's no such thing as a free lunch....... even an illusory free lunch.

There's no such thing as freedom from Wolfie's ramblings on freedom as he is not free..........

Free range eggs are from chickens that have the illusion of freedom but are in fact free from predators at night if not actually free during the day.

Free newspapers are not actuallly free as they are paid for by the advertisers.

Is freedom itself simply a state of mind rather than a state of the state?

Can any living being ever claim to be free while it lives?

Is any living being actually free after it dies?

Finally a question for Wolfie: define freeedom.....??

 

[Wolfie]

i refer you to the title of the post.


you have asked me the same question that i am asking you.

 

[americanexpress]

So free newspapers are not really free. I'm just reading an illusion....and free range eggs are not really free either! :bang:

c7u8 no free range eggs are about 3 pounds a dozen and your 'free paper' is paid for with advertising subsidies:dunno:

 

[Duck n Dive]

i refer you to the title of the post.


you have asked me the same question that i am asking you.

Which goes to show that all questions are circular without answer or reason and only lead to other questions.

The belief that you have the freedom to freely ask questions is an illusion as you're desire for an answer is based on your belief that you're not free but simply experience the illusion of freedom which you do not believe is true freedom.

Freedom:

The ability to act in whatever way you choose, the ability to think whatever thoughts you choose.

Question:

Is True Freedom Moral?





PS.... admin we need a philosophy forum!!!!

 

[Wolfie]

Freedom:

The ability to act in whatever way you choose, the ability to think whatever thoughts you choose.
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which we can not do so we have no freedom only the illusion of freedom, but we know we are not free but will grasp onto the illusion hoping to beleive it is true.

Is True Freedom Moral?

true freedom does not exist therefore can not be moral.

 

[R2B2]

If we are not in jail, are we free?


Those range eggs can't be very good. Everyone gives 'em away.

 

[marcella]

total freedom means doing whatever, whenever you like! and because we all aspire to the dizzy heights we see all around this icon driven existence, money and position will always be the working mans downfall, couple that with government induced morality and it is obvious freedom is no more within the grasp of the rich than it is the poor!

no one man will ever be free to make any choice as long as there is another man in existence, and when there is only one man left you wont be free to belt a stranger in the mouth:dunno:

were all f*cked:yo:

 

[derek kelly]

How free range are free range eggs, you may have this image of lots of little hens happily pecking away in vast expanses of fields, when in reality all that is required for them to be free range is to be enclosed in a barn, farmers tend to choose this method as it keeps them away from predators, but they are restricted by the confines of the barn and quite often there will be thousands of hens in one barn, preferable to standing on wire mesh and laying eggs on a conveyor belt, but not by much.

 

[Wolfie]

free from jail rob yes, but that does not mean we have our freedom now does it??

 

[Duck n Dive]

no one man will ever be free to make any choice as long as there is another man in existence

Nice one Marcella...... hit on the head M8.

Now there's the crux of it...... no-one can be free to do as they want while anyone else exists as freedom is curtailed by social obligation regardless of laws/state.

Freedom is always limited as true freedom can only be acomplished by infinging and restricting the freedom of others.

Question: which is more important - freedom or social responsibility.

 

[Wolfie]

no-one can be free to do as they want while anyone else exists

can not be free whilst nobody else exists as well,

which is more important - freedom or social responsibility.

freedom does not exist so social responsibility is the most important.

 

[marcella]

Now there's the crux of it...... no-one can be free to do as they want while anyone else exists .[/QUOTE]
and no-one can be free to do as they want when there is no one else there either:dunno:

 

[derek kelly]

But we do have the freedom to make the choice to be socially responsible,
whilst we can make choices for ourselves we are deemed to be free, if I choose to run round Barnsley stark naked it is my choice, if I am caught I would have to face the consequences but if the outcome didn't bother me then I am free, so my freedom is moderated by my own limitations and willingness to remain under the constraints of the Law.

 

[Duck n Dive]

can not be free whilst nobody else exists as well,


freedom does not exist so social responsibility is the most important.

OK nice one, that;s the hard one resolved.

All we need now is the answer to life, the universe and everything ???

 

[Wolfie]

derek if you were free there would be no consequences.

 

[Duck n Dive]

if I choose to run round Barnsley stark naked it is my choice.

It might be you're choice but if you do right now you'll fall foul of the law against wearing a loud body in a built up area at night.

Not to mention scaring the shit out of the pigeons.