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Was I Ripped Off

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Paddysteel7

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I paid ?2000 for a 2000 on a w plate with category D recorded
and what looks like a bent frame been resprayed OK ish, from a dealer went back about the bent frame and he kindly offered to get it checked and straightened by motoliner free of charge? there were odd tyres on it rad is scuffed and back of clocks broken.
 
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Paddysteel7

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The dealer denies knowing anything about the bike before he sold it to me.
I did wonder about the legal position?
but i would need proof written that it is bent
 
Jaws

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Dealer cannot sell a write off without declaring it..and that is ANY Category
No ifs ors and or buts

Private sale.. different kettle of fish

Interesting point here though
A bent frame and if would not be a cat d ... absolutely NO chance
In fact if the accident happened more than a few months from the bike being new it would have been a cat B at best
 
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Paddysteel7

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Yes its beginning to look very bad indeed
The dealer is supposed to be a friend
 
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Well keep in mind he may well not have known / realised himself. fl4g71

All I am saying is whilst you have the legal ( and indeed moral ) high ground it may be a genuine oversite :p

Might be worth doing the gently gently catchy monkey thing rather than go in all guns blazing ?
 
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Paddysteel7

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well i am going soft as I have ?2000 of scrap all he has offered is to get frame straightened. If I do all the work needed to get it ready to be straightened.
Also I was charged commision by him on a bike I bought from him a year before that I sold through him at the same time I bought this one.
 
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Hmmm seems he knows EXACTLY what he is doing

If the bike is a write off and he never declared it, a full refund or off to trading standards would be the way forward.. He seems to be taking the mick to be honest
 
silverfox.xx

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Doesn't seem much of a friend either, but he seems to be taking advantage of the fact that you are.

If you decide to keep the bike rather than go the route John has said above, which incidentally is the route I'd take. IMHO you should not have to prepare the bike for having the frame corrected, if indeed it is possible, as the onus is on him to do that. What happens if the frame is not repairable, are you committed to the bike at that stage.

Sounds to me the guy is a con man and is only prepared to do the minimum at the lowest cost possible to himself. The main point as John said its really his legal obligation to either refund the money or totally repair the fault, whereas you have the choice of what you want to do not him.
 
noobie

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Paddy may I suggest something?

You are looking short term and this will bite you when you come to sell it on. I would hpi it to see what the recorded history is then decide what to do. Pound to a penny of horse shit you will be the last owner of that bike unless you sell it knowingly as a bitza

hpi it then go back to the dealer and ask for your money back or something to an equivalent value and if you don't do it soon you will have lost the lot and have a bike you can't sell on.

Can you name the dealer so no one else has this issue?
 
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superbiker27

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Yes, You were. The dealer can be prosecuted for selling a vehicle in a dangerous condition unless you signed any paperwork knowing the bike was damaged. Ask for your money back and go elsewhere. If he refuses go to solicitor who will take necessary action.
 
noobie

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I had the same problem when I bought an early blade that had a race rep paint on it. Turns out the race paint was put on to cover up it was a bitza, coming from a dealer I thought hpi checks were done so I didn't bother.

I complained, the dealer said no refund, no probs said I so whilst in the shop standing by the bike shop owner( a very small shop) I called 999 and said I wanted to report a bike shop that was selling stolen and dangerous bikes...as the last words left my lips the owner appeared to be very helpfull. I wouldn't do it again though

Your frame is bent, your clocks are broken and some parts on the front look like they have been in a smash...and the stealer wants you to strip the bike to get a frame straightened to a bike that he should have declared was an insurance right off..I have to agree with jaws..with a bent frame it's unlikely to be a cat d or c and I suspect the bike is hiding more than you know

At what point do you think you have not been ripped on the cost and being mugged off by the bike shop owner afterwards?

Take the bike back, get your money back..if he refuses call the police, the dot and your local trading standards unit. the longer you let this drag on the longer he will feel he has got away with it and you will be stuck with a 2 grand piece of junk
 
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karlos2000

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quick serious question

when you say "friend", is this a recent new-ish friend, as in, I've known him for just a few years now & done some business and had a coffee at his place on a Saturday & kicked some tyres?

To me, friends are people you know well, both socially & in business & who would NOT stitch you up.

I know a guy I would consider a friend, he's a builder, but I call him a friend as I've got to know him over 4 years doing things on my house bl4hbl4h, we helped him try to save his local school from closure by writing some supporting letters, I have his mobile number (a weird but valid modern sign of friendship), we exchange xmas cards bl4hbl4h, but if I found out he had bodged work on my house, then I would say "all bets are off", the friendship wouldn't help, he's for the high jump.

You really have to take a step back here and ask that big question of yourself; if you knew it was a dodgy bike, would you sell it on to a mate? I bet not.

I don't actually "know" anyone really on this forum in the face to face pop to the pub sense (I've met just 4 of the members), but I wouldn't do that to anyone on here by example, I wouldn't do it to anyone, and the internet is pretty much anonymous. So this guy who sold you this bike falls into the "not worth having as a mate" category, sorry that may seem harsh, but that's how I see it.

Lastly, as John said, a bent frame, Cat D? errrmmm, sounds iffy to me. Isn't Cat D the lower end entry level damage category? ie: in some cases broken plastics and a few scuffs?
 
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Tribal-Wolf

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I can't believe you had to ask the question in the first place, but as he's a dealer you have so long to reject it anyway and if it went to court he would be up shit creek. Just tell him you want your money back, no arguments, or it goes legal. There was just a program about this sort of thing on TV last week..........basically he's (the dealer) stuffed.
 
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dave boyce

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What everyone else said get your money back then knock the ladyparts out for treating you like a mug.@tu*
 
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I'm not sure plod would be interested - would this not be a civil case??:dunno:

And ceretainly not a '999' job either way:shooter:
 
noobie

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Depends on the category it was in Andy, at best it could be a fraudulent sale at worse it could be covered by various endagerment laws
 
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