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In the News Trial by Social Media

andyBeaker

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Seriously? Of course it is correct to question someone's actions if it compromises evidence or the liberty of another individual.

Nothing should have been posted on social media end of........

Yes people do behave in strange ways after any kind of assault (and I have seen my fair share) but the fact that she was composed enough to even go down that route suggests that there is more to this story than meets the eye and the Police are simply having to comply with their obligations by arresting Greenwood.

I am questioning her behaviour because she is compromising any case she might have on top of which any chance of a fair trial has gone out of the window, non of us except the 2 individuals (and forensic evidence) really know what has happened at this stage, but he has already been deemed guilty.

I am not accepting your comment, sorry....
In the spirit of your post, sorry I simply disagree!
 

Pow-Lo

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You misunderstand - The point I make is that the assumption is that she posted it on instagram. There is nodoubt it was posted on instagram but you have as much idea of who posted it as I do ie none whatsoever. Even if it was posted on her instagram account it does not necessarily follow that she posted it.
The likelihood of someone else posting on her account (which is where the media was indeed posted) by someone else is unlikely. In the event that it was someone else, she's further compromised herself because she has no proof that said posted media wasn't tampered with prior to posting.
 

andyBeaker

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The likelihood of someone else posting on her account (which is where the media was indeed posted) by someone else is unlikely. In the event that it was someone else, she's further compromised herself because she has no proof that said posted media wasn't tampered with prior to posting.
Speculation. The statement released by her father has suggested that her instagram account was hacked. No idea whether that is true or not, but either is possible.
 

Pow-Lo

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Speculation. The statement released by her father has suggested that her instagram account was hacked. No idea whether that is true or not, but either is possible.
Now who didn't see that coming! He said that to protect his daughter after it dawned on him how irresponsible she was.

Someone had to have had access to her Instagram account and the photos, videos and voice recordings. Seriously? I don't think so.
 

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Do we know if she’s raised concerns previously regarding his behaviour? Maybe she has & nobody has believed her so she sees her only option as filming it & posting on social media.
Or maybe she’s a money grabbing harlot.
 

andyBeaker

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Now who didn't see that coming! He said that to protect his daughter after it dawned on him how irresponsible she was.

Someone had to have had access to her Instagram account and the photos, videos and voice recordings. Seriously? I don't think so.
You may not think so ……………but it is possible.

Cast your mind back to the activities that got The News of the World closed,down. I’m not suggesting for one minute that a newspaper is behind it, just demonstrating that electronic trickery is possible. Sadly I suspect that hacking electronic devices is much easier than most of us think.
 

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Now who didn't see that coming! He said that to protect his daughter after it dawned on him how irresponsible she was.

Someone had to have had access to her Instagram account and the photos, videos and voice recordings. Seriously? I don't think so.
I get two or three messages a week on Facebook from friends stating their account has been hacked
 

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Hmm, the reason for posting on social media is she is more likely to get the result she wants and a nice pay day to boot in my view

That is not to say that she is telling lies, I honestly neither know or care too much to be honest, but to post on social media before reporting to plod is perverting the course of justice to my mind as the poofyball player will never get a fair trial now
 

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Hmm, the reason for posting on social media is she is more likely to get the result she wants and a nice pay day to boot in my view

That is not to say that she is telling lies, I honestly neither know or care too much to be honest, but to post on social media before reporting to plod is perverting the course of justice to my mind as the poofyball player will never get a fair trial now
If the video shows him beating her up & raping her does he deserve a fair trial?
 

andyBeaker

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No!

But we don't know what the video shows do we ?
i Am going to sound like a broken record………from what I saw yesterday there was not a video posted on instagram, there was a sound recording, no video.

But who knows if a video exists?
 

andyBeaker

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i Am going to sound like a broken record………from what I saw yesterday there was not a video posted on instagram, there was a sound recording, no video.

But who knows if a video exists?
Let me amend this slightly…the instagram post that I saw was in its entirety a video that contained a sound recording and some still images…there was no video (as in moving pictures) in it‘s content.
 

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You may not think so ……………but it is possible.

Cast your mind back to the activities that got The News of the World closed,down. I’m not suggesting for one minute that a newspaper is behind it, just demonstrating that electronic trickery is possible. Sadly I suspect that hacking electronic devices is much easier than most of us think.
I haven't suggested for one second that it's impossible. It's all too possible. However, I do not trust this girl's motives.

Go back to my post No. 22; I've said right there that if her account has been hacked, she's been done no favours because there's no proof that the media hasn't been tampered with.

I get two or three messages a week on Facebook from friends stating their account has been hacked
You must know a lot of stupid people.

Let me amend this slightly…the instagram post that I saw was in its entirety a video that contained a sound recording and some still images…there was no video (as in moving pictures) in it‘s content.
Said media that was plastered on Instagram was deleted soon after. Therefore, do you know if what you saw is that which has incriminated him or some stuff that's been posted later?
 
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andyBeaker

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I haven't suggested for one second that it's impossible. It's all too possible. However, I do not trust this girl's motives.

Go back to my post No. 22; I've said right there that if her account has been hacked, she's been done no favours because there's no proof that the media hasn't been tampered with.


You must know a lot of stupid people. so must I, I have three acquaintances who have had their Facebook accounts hacked


Said media that was plastered on Instagram was deleted soon after. Therefore, do you know if what you saw is that which has incriminated him or some stuff that's been posted later? that is exactly part of the reason why I haven’t joined the frenzy of sharing it with anyone. Anyone who has shared it - including the person that posted it on the forum I saw it on - is a total numb nuts as far as I am concerned.
 

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A work colleague who is an enthusiastic Man Utd supporter (I'm an ersatz supporter as my son is a keen supporter) showed me the material.

I agree it remains to have its veracity tested.

I will say that if it proves to be accurate/factual then he deserves to have the book thrown at him. It is truly shocking - if accurate.

But - to me it also points firmly at the culture within football which produces people who believe its OK for them to behave in a way where they can demand whatever they want and expect/insist it be provided.

It can be anything from an incident like this to something as simple as parking wherever they want.

In Manchester and surrounding areas frequented by footballers its fairly common to find their cars parked wherever they want - footpath, double yellow lines etc. The car is simply parked outside the restaurant/club door or nearest to it.
The only consequence may be a parking ticket.
But if you earn 75k+ a week that's apparently not a problem.

I wonder if it's because they grow up and work in a system where they are looked after, preened and sheltered from normal life consequences.

When you see even more mature footballers throwing a hissyfit on being substituted it makes me wonder.

I guess maybe footballers are the modern/lower class group with a sense of entitlement - we have another such group also making the news at the moment.

Or is this simply a reflection of the morals and acceptable behaviour that society has developed as the norm?
 

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I read in a book on sociology, I think, a long number of years ago, that many competitive people like those get stuck in adolescence, effectively don't grow up.
 

eddyace595

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20 year old kid fast tracked into the limelight with millions in the bank....recipe for disaster if ever there was one..
 

andyBeaker

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A work colleague who is an enthusiastic Man Utd supporter (I'm an ersatz supporter as my son is a keen supporter) showed me the material.

I agree it remains to have its veracity tested.

I will say that if it proves to be accurate/factual then he deserves to have the book thrown at him. It is truly shocking - if accurate.

But - to me it also points firmly at the culture within football which produces people who believe its OK for them to behave in a way where they can demand whatever they want and expect/insist it be provided.

It can be anything from an incident like this to something as simple as parking wherever they want.

In Manchester and surrounding areas frequented by footballers its fairly common to find their cars parked wherever they want - footpath, double yellow lines etc. The car is simply parked outside the restaurant/club door or nearest to it.
The only consequence may be a parking ticket.
But if you earn 75k+ a week that's apparently not a problem.

I wonder if it's because they grow up and work in a system where they are looked after, preened and sheltered from normal life consequences.

When you see even more mature footballers throwing a hissyfit on being substituted it makes me wonder.

I guess maybe footballers are the modern/lower class group with a sense of entitlement - we have another such group also making the news at the moment.

Or is this simply a reflection of the morals and acceptable behaviour that society has developed as the norm?
I have loved football for as long as I can remember, playing it, going to games, coaching, managing, refereeing you name it….I fell out of love with the elite game some time ago as in my view money has ruined it. The thing that tipped me over the edge was a Spurs player being fined £40,000 for something or other and his response was ‘I spend that on a night out in London’.

in a previous life I had a good insight into the finances of footballers of all ages…it wasn’t that unusualto see a contract for a teenager nobody had heard of for £10,000 a week. Just think about that for a moment.

I used to go to Brighton regularly when I moved down here, had to be a member to,apply for tickets but that was free. Then it went up to £10 a year then to £25/a year…just for the privilege of being able,to,apply for tickets if any were available. Stuff that. They don’t need the money, pure greed and they have certainly lost my goodwill and I suspect plenty of others as a result.

Im not commenting on greenwood specifically…these players have been with their clubs from a very early age - six in some cases- and they have been brought up in an environment where everything is done for them and people continually tell them how womderful they are. I don’t suppose it’s their fault but they are totally clueless what the real,world,is,like. Sadly huge numbers that have been through this system don’t make it and come out the other side damaged.

I am definetely not as passionate about United as I used to be - used to go to loads of of games all over the place including Europe, even when we were awful in the 70s and 80s, Then the Sky money came in and messed it up. And Bosman which has given all the power to the players….can’t think of any other job where you can sit on your arse and get paid until your contract runs out then get a big signing on fee elsewhere while the ‘selling’ club gets nothing for their investment.

I’m off to find a little bloke to have a fight with….
 
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