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[Pow-Lo]

Here we f'ing go again:

Mason Greenwood: Man Utd player arrested over rape claim

Greater Manchester Police says a man in his 20s is being held following allegations on social media.

www.bbc.co.uk

A Manchester United footballist has been arrested on suspicion of rape and assault because his 'girlfriend' posted photographs and a video on Instagram. Oh well, that's the end of that then, he is most definitely guilty. If I'd been sexually assaulted and beaten, then I'm pretty sure that splashing it all over social media would not be at the forefront of my thoughts. But hey, I'm just a dumb sailor, what the fuck would I know?

If he's done what's been alleged then throw the bastard to the wolves but if there's any legitimate substance to these allegations, then any chance he has of a fair trial is down the pan already.

 

[T.C]

I have questioned the authenticity of the allegation simply on the grounds that the "Girlfriend" went to social media and posted pictures of the so called injuries she had sustained before going to the Police and any evidence may have been compromised because social media coverage was more important than facts and evidence.

But as said it is now trial by media and even if acquitted, people will only remember the allegation and forget the acquittal and so that stigma will be with him forever so a potential career ruined.

On the flip side, many are now saying how the mighty BLM take the knee advocates have fallen.

I still believe that in these cases (unless it is 100% clear cut) the offender is entitled to a degree of anonymity until charged with an offence or convicted by a court after which they are fair game. I still believe to a degree in innocent until proven guilty.

This is not being afforded to Greenwood (even though as a City fan I hate Man Utd with a passion)

 

[andyBeaker]

Here we f'ing go again:

Mason Greenwood: Man Utd player arrested over rape claim

Greater Manchester Police says a man in his 20s is being held following allegations on social media.

www.bbc.co.uk

A Manchester United footballist has been arrested on suspicion of rape and assault because his 'girlfriend' posted photographs and a video on Instagram. Oh well, that's the end of that then, he is most definitely guilty. If I'd been sexually assaulted and beaten, then I'm pretty sure that splashing it all over social media would not be at the forefront of my thoughts. But hey, I'm just a dumb sailor, what the fuck would I know?

If he's done what's been alleged then throw the bastard to the wolves but if there's any legitimate substance to these allegations, then any chance he has of a fair trial is down the pan already.

Some cretin posted the material on an MUFC forum that I frequent. I’m not going to add fuel to the fire by posting it on here or even describing it. Despite the fact that nobody has a clue what has happened the social media jury have sat and found him guilty. I’m not saying I think he is or isn’t guilty, I haven’t got a clue. Which is the point.

it’s also very sad the way that the potential victim has been treated by some, no empathy whatsoever of the trauma that this type of event can and indeed is likely to cause the victim. Can’t see past the colours of their football team or their bedroom walls.

 

[derek kelly]

Interesting to note that Marcus Rashford has blocked him (or whatever you do) on instagram

 

[andyBeaker]

I have questioned the authenticity of the allegation simply on the grounds that the "Girlfriend" went to social media and posted pictures of the so called injuries she had sustained before going to the Police and any evidence may have been compromised because social media coverage was more important than facts and evidence.

But as said it is now trial by media and even if acquitted, people will only remember the allegation and forget the acquittal and so that stigma will be with him forever so a potential career ruined.

On the flip side, many are now saying how the mighty BLM take the knee advocates have fallen.

I still believe that in these cases (unless it is 100% clear cut) the offender is entitled to a degree of anonymity until charged with an offence or convicted by a court after which they are fair game. I still believe to a degree in innocent until proven guilty.

This is not being afforded to Greenwood (even though as a City fan I hate Man Utd with a passion)

Personally I think it is a bit dangerous to question the actions of any victim in the case of domestic and/or sexual violence. Horrifically traumatic and ‘thinking straight’ not necessarily going to happen.

 

[Pow-Lo]

I have questioned the authenticity of the allegation simply on the grounds that the "Girlfriend" went to social media and posted pictures of the so called injuries she had sustained before going to the Police and any evidence may have been compromised because social media coverage was more important than facts and evidence.

But as said it is now trial by media and even if acquitted, people will only remember the allegation and forget the acquittal and so that stigma will be with him forever so a potential career ruined.

On the flip side, many are now saying how the mighty BLM take the knee advocates have fallen.

I still believe that in these cases (unless it is 100% clear cut) the offender is entitled to a degree of anonymity until charged with an offence or convicted by a court after which they are fair game. I still believe to a degree in innocent until proven guilty.

This is not being afforded to Greenwood (even though as a City fan I hate Man Utd with a passion)

Too many people in this country have absolutely no clue how lucky we are to be innocent until proven guilty. In a number of countries, including the likes of pretty civilised places like the Netherlands, you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

Talking to a couple of boys walking the dogs this morning, both United fans, and he apparently has previous for this sort of thing. To my mind, it's entirely possible that he might have done something like this before, learnt his lesson but someone has decided they fancy an easy pay-out and 15 minutes of fame.

I still cannot wrap my head around why anyone possessing more than half of one brain cell would post this on social media before calling Dibble. As you say Tony, evidence has possibly been compromised so on that basis alone, I don't see how the player can possibly have a fair trial.

 

[derek kelly]

Not looking good for him.

M
anchester United player Mason Greenwood has been arrested on suspicion of rape and assault.
A woman on Sunday morning accused Greenwood of physical violence and police have confirmed the 20-year-old England international remains in custody as enquiries continue.
The allegations made against Greenwood, which included a video, photographs and voice notes, were released on Instagram on Sunday morning and were deleted shortly afterwards.

Manchester United have suspended Greenwood and said he will not return to training or play matches “until further notice”.

 

[Pow-Lo]

it’s also very sad the way that the potential victim has been treated by some, no empathy whatsoever of the trauma that this type of event can and indeed is likely to cause the victim. Can’t see past the colours of their football team or their bedroom walls.

Personally I think it is a bit dangerous to question the actions of any victim in the case of domestic and/or sexual violence. Horrifically traumatic and ‘thinking straight’ not necessarily going to happen.

Fair points, but why in God's boots would you take to social media after such an event? The first action should almost certainly be to dial 999. In some cases, and I'm seriously not joking here, I could understand calling mum or dad first and then the police but social media? No. Just, no.

To take it a step further, let's assume, purely for the sake of discussion and I make no insinuations one way or t'other as I also have no clue, that he's guilty. But because of her stupidity in plastering it all over social media, he doesn't get a fair trial and the result goes the other way and we then have another sex offender free to attack again.

 

[derek kelly]

Fair points, but why in God's boots would you take to social media after such an event? The first action should almost certainly be to dial 999. In some cases, and I'm seriously not joking here, I could understand calling mum or dad first and then the police but social media? No. Just, no.

To take it a step further, let's assume, purely for the sake of discussion and I make no insinuations one way or t'other as I also have no clue, that he's guilty. But because of her stupidity in plastering it all over social media, he doesn't get a fair trial and the result goes the other way and we then have another sex offender free to attack again.

Have you ever spoken to someone in an abusive relationship? If (I don’t know the facts) she has been subject to his abuse in the past, maybe he has threatened her so she wouldn’t tell her family or the Police, secretly recording it & posting on social media gets it out there & hopefully ties his hands.
On the other hand, sometimes women will deliberately wind up their partner to incur violence for various reasons, I had two colleagues who were in a relationship & he was known to be a bit keen with his fists, his girlfriend worked in the Prison Hospital & she told Bev that sometimes she deliberately wound him up because after hitting her he’d be sorry & buy her presents.

 

[andyBeaker]

Fair points, but why in God's boots would you take to social media after such an event? The first action should almost certainly be to dial 999. In some cases, and I'm seriously not joking here, I could understand calling mum or dad first and then the police but social media? No. Just, no.

To take it a step further, let's assume, purely for the sake of discussion and I make no insinuations one way or t'other as I also have no clue, that he's guilty. But because of her stupidity in plastering it all over social media, he doesn't get a fair trial and the result goes the other way and we then have another sex offender free to attack again.

you assume that the aggrieved posted the media in the public domain , that is not necessarily the case. I have no idea who posted it.

Sadly I don’t agree with you that ‘dialling 999’ is the first action Of a victim of sexual or domestic violence. How many times have historic victims come forward, just look at Saville, Epstein, how many times do victims of domestic abuse call plod and not want charges pressed. It’s not simple and it is likely to have been a highly traumatic experience that some victims want to try and forget about.

 

[Minkey]

There's an Everton player who is being investigated for various offences but at least it is being kept quiet until he has been charged.

It's wrong that Mason has been found guilty already without a trial, trial by media seems to be on the increase just ask Boris

If Mason has done what is being banned about I hope they through the book at him, but it should be down to the courts

 

[derek kelly]

There's an Everton player who is being investigated for various offences but at least it is being kept quiet until he has been charged.

The problem is that with what was printed in the press people jumped to the conclusion that the player involved was Fabien Delph, a player who has publicly spoken about his mental health issues, even though it has been stated that Delph is not involved mud sticks.

 

[andyBeaker]

There's an Everton player who is being investigated for various offences but at least it is being kept quiet until he has been charged.

It's wrong that Mason has been found guilty already without a trial, trial by media seems to be on the increase just ask Boris

If Mason has done what is being banned about I hope they through the book at him, but it should be down to the courts

Not that quiet in the case of the Everton player…it is pretty common knowledge.

 

[derek kelly]

Not that quiet in the case of the Everton player…it is pretty common knowledge.

He hasn’t been named though & people are pointing fingers in the wrong direction

 

[andyBeaker]

He hasn’t been named though & people are pointing fingers in the wrong direction

I have seen another name more than once and for the very reasons you raise I won’t repeat it on here.

 

[Cougar377]

 

[Malone]

Does anyone know if she has …………

just asking for a friend

 

[T.C]

Personally I think it is a bit dangerous to question the actions of any victim in the case of domestic and/or sexual violence. Horrifically traumatic and ‘thinking straight’ not necessarily going to happen.

Seriously? Of course it is correct to question someone's actions if it compromises evidence or the liberty of another individual.

Nothing should have been posted on social media end of........

Yes people do behave in strange ways after any kind of assault (and I have seen my fair share) but the fact that she was composed enough to even go down that route suggests that there is more to this story than meets the eye and the Police are simply having to comply with their obligations by arresting Greenwood.

I am questioning her behaviour because she is compromising any case she might have on top of which any chance of a fair trial has gone out of the window, non of us except the 2 individuals (and forensic evidence) really know what has happened at this stage, but he has already been deemed guilty.

I am not accepting your comment, sorry....

 

[Pow-Lo]

Have you ever spoken to someone in an abusive relationship? If (I don’t know the facts) she has been subject to his abuse in the past, maybe he has threatened her so she wouldn’t tell her family or the Police, secretly recording it & posting on social media gets it out there & hopefully ties his hands.
On the other hand, sometimes women will deliberately wind up their partner to incur violence for various reasons, I had two colleagues who were in a relationship & he was known to be a bit keen with his fists, his girlfriend worked in the Prison Hospital & she told Bev that sometimes she deliberately wound him up because after hitting her he’d be sorry & buy her presents.

I have, actually. An ex of mine was with a f'ing nutter before she was with me and she told me some pretty horrific shit. The daughter of someone close to me had much, much worse. I won't go into detail but put it this way, she killed him (manslaughter) and got off with a suspended sentence because the abuse she suffered was worse than any human being should ever have to endure.

you assume that the aggrieved posted the media in the public domain , that is not necessarily the case. I have no idea who posted it.

Sadly I don’t agree with you that ‘dialling 999’ is the first action Of a victim of sexual or domestic violence. How many times have historic victims come forward, just look at Saville, Epstein, how many times do victims of domestic abuse call plod and not want charges pressed. It’s not simple and it is likely to have been a highly traumatic experience that some victims want to try and forget about.

I don't assume anything, she posted on Instagram. It's already out in the public domain.

Depends on the type of abuse. The cases you refer to, particularly Epstein, involved months of grooming where the alleged victims were made to feel special until he had his grubby little jollies. It's no wonder he wasn't reported straight away as I suspect they spent a fair amount of time wondering wtf had actually happened and/or they'd been paid off.

In this particular case, she was allegedly raped and beaten. That's an immediate 999; I must respectfully disagree with you.

As I wrote above, there's now no chance of a fair trial because she posted it on Instagram and that might very well work in his favour (leaving the subsequent stigma to one side).

 

[andyBeaker]

I have, actually. An ex of mine was with a f'ing nutter before she was with me and she told me some pretty horrific shit. The daughter of someone close to me had much, much worse. I won't go into detail but put it this way, she killed him (manslaughter) and got off with a suspended sentence because the abuse she suffered was worse than any human being should ever have to endure.

I don't assume anything, she posted on Instagram. It's already out in the public domain.

Depends on the type of abuse. The cases you refer to, particularly Epstein, involved months of grooming where the alleged victims were made to feel special until he had his grubby little jollies. It's no wonder he wasn't reported straight away as I suspect they spent a fair amount of time wondering wtf had actually happened and/or they'd been paid off.

In this particular case, she was allegedly raped and beaten. That's an immediate 999; I must respectfully disagree with you.

As I wrote above, there's now no chance of a fair trial because she posted it on Instagram and that might very well work in his favour (leaving the subsequent stigma to one side).

You misunderstand - The point I make is that the assumption is that she posted it on instagram. There is nodoubt it was posted on instagram but you have as much idea of who posted it as I do ie none whatsoever. Even if it was posted on her instagram account it does not necessarily follow that she posted it.