Ramadan

[Hornblower]

We find that here in Birmingham the Muslim Secret Eating Festival causes a lot of problems.
In schools many of the children are very difficult during the day and many have days off. Getting up at 2am to feed for the next 18 hours is no joke. It's tough on the small ones who are not fasting too because they get caught up in it when all the family have eat together. Then the mums who are glorified slaves who have been up since midnight cooking it and then clearing up after wards are too tired to get the little buggers up so they are late for school as well. It screws up the whole class they are in.
If a child has an unauthorised day off the parents get fined, but days off because of tiredness due to fasting seem to go by un noticed and in certain school here in Brum they get serious brownie points for it!

 

[Davey Bee]

When I was young I was taught that bigotry was a sign of ignorance.
Here's a quote.
For prejudice and intolerance to prosper, common sense and reason must be absent.

 

[derek kelly]

When I was young I was taught that bigotry was a sign of ignorance.
Here's a quote.
For prejudice and intolerance to prosper, common sense and reason must be absent.

Quite right, Muslims need to learn tolerance of other religions.

 

[Davey Bee]

Quite right, Muslims need to learn tolerance of other religions.

I forgot to add, sometimes all that's needed to solve the problem, is a mirror.

 

[derek kelly]

I forgot to add, sometimes all that's needed to solve the problem, is a mirror.

I'm sure Muslims use mirrors.

In the Prison service the whole Friday regime was changed to accommodate Muslim service, this included altering staff dinner break, even letting the prisoners go to Muslim prayers before allowing the kitchen workers to go to work obviously Muslim service is more important than feeding 750 people on time.

The service is held in a multi faith room which has symbols & depictions from most religions.
When the Muslim service is held, the crucifixes, stained glass windows etc are covered up & the statue of the virgin Mary is turned to the wall & covered up.

Tolerance? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Cougar377]

S'funny but I thought that one of the most basic teachings of ALL the commonly held faiths, creeds and religions was peaceful tolerance of others.

With the possible exception of Buddhism (and I only say that because my wife's a Buddhist and will slap me one if I don't say it) that seems to be untrue of all of them....:dunno:

Just as a small example...SWMBO's cousin is a Yoga instructor who teaches in the evenings at various local school premises. But she can't teach Yoga classes in a Catholical School because "Yoga leads to Buddhism and that faith is at odds with the Catholical faith".

There's a million examples of this pettiness everywhere you look. It starts off with that attitude but eventually leads to violent confrontation...

"My God's bigger than your God". FFS grow up. :wank:

Some days I think that we should ban all religions. But then again, it's a great way of keeping a lid on the ever increasing world population.

Bit of a conundrum, really. :-0)

 

[Davey Bee]

I'm sure Muslims use mirrors.

In the Prison service the whole Friday regime was changed to accommodate Muslim service, this included altering staff dinner break, even letting the prisoners go to Muslim prayers before allowing the kitchen workers to go to work obviously Muslim service is more important than feeding 750 people on time.

The service is held in a multi faith room which has symbols & depictions from most religions.
When the Muslim service is held, the crucifixes, stained glass windows etc are covered up & the statue of the virgin Mary is turned to the wall & covered up.

Tolerance? Don't make me laugh.

You're right of course DK, they're the only religion that would do this sort of thing. :dunno:
Just one question, have you ever taken a look at the history of religious tolerance in this country, or more specificly, tolerance of Catholic's, who believe in the same teaching as Anglicans?
Empower yourself, with knowledge.

 

[andyBeaker]

To my mind it is desperately sad that many focus on the bad behaviours of the minorities rather than embracing the good behaviour of the majorities.

When I come to power I am going to enforce one religion on all. This will be compromised of the good parts of many different religions. Simple really.

 

[noobie]

I do not think the problem is "mooslims" persay but more religion.

After centuries, most westernised countries realised that most wars and intolerance have been based around religion so those countries have largely moved away from state supported religious control.

Simply put, most non brainwashed people are happy religion exists for the individual but the majority, they choose wisely to see it as a thing of the past.

So when a country has that realisation, and religion tries to raise it's ugly head again wether it is Islam, Roman Catholic, Sikhism etc..we will be unhappy about attempts to drag us back into the dark ages and of these religions particulary Islam, which is the most backward dark ages religion.

Religion in Britain is on the decline because most Brits are not interested, this shouldn't be mistaken as there is a gap in the market and Islam should fill it.

We are a western country, one that offers freedoms that most muslim countries refuse to offer, it would then seem quite rude of muslims to come to and are here in Britain, to then demand the freedom of the many, be over ruled by the religion of the few.

So it is not Islam persay but more none of us want religion taking us backwards again.

 

[Davey Bee]

As Andy has said, it's a shame we don't look for the good from each religion, rather than concentrate on the few bad interpretations.

Personally if I was going to aline to any, it would be Sikhism, from the little that I know of it, they are the only religion that has respect and tolerance for other religions, as part of their doctrine.

At the moment, we're taught to fear and dislike Muslims, and generally, there is a significant minority, that are not able to work out, that this is what governments do, through the media, when they want to divert our attention.
If you ask most that are negative towards Muslims what is their personal bad experience, with a Muslim, I'll bet the best they could offer, was that they got ripped off by a taxi driver (or the like), FFS that's what some taxi drivers do. But we choose to put a religious slant to it, as if the persons religion is why they are behaving badly.
DK, you work in a prison, they put bad people in prisons, therefore by default you will find a lot of bad Muslims there, along with a lot of bad Christians, Jews, Sikhs, should I go on?

 

[noobie]

should I go on?

It's unlikely you will stop :-0)

We are not taught to dislike Muslims, we are however observant enough to see we have a religion that wants to kill Brits and that is not media speculation or brainwashing as you would imply.

Interesting you mention Sikhism, I do not see many Sikhs going to be trained to kill us so the fault is that particular religion, Islam. I have to say in my lifetime I have never heard a Sikh say you must do as I say because of my religion. The same cannot be said about Islam and if a Christian tried it, they would be in court

I think Davey whilst you accuse others of being narrow minded you whilst being on the other side, are as equally narrow minded

The simple fact is whilst some proclaim Islam as a peaceful religion there are far too many events and countries that would suggest otherwise as uncomfortable as that is for you to accept.

 

[Barrie]

The very fact that there are many different beliefs only reinforces the fact that religion is bollocks. Believe in whatever you want to believe in but don't try to force your beliefs on others. The teachings of Islam appear to be so extreme and is why many of us think the "Nice" Muslims are potentially dangerous. Remember the doctors who drove a car into Glasgow airport? Imagine those same doctors wheeling you into theatre for surgery. Okay, they aren't all the same but wouldn't you feel a bit apprehensive?

 

[slim63]

You are entitled to your opinion. In the same way I am entitled to dislike your opinion.

All Irish people are terrorists and responsible for atrocities claimed by the IRA.

All gypsies are thieving scum.

Tell me what the difference is between the two statements above and your stereotyping of Muslims?

I can't wAit.

I suggest there was an understanding failure on your part there ....

At no point did I say ALL Muslims were terrorists, In fact I said quite the opposite I have a couple of friends who follow that religion & they appear to be genuine peace loving folk but they do freely admit that there are those within their community who know who the radicals are & still do nothing.... not a stereotype ...FACT

Both my friends say they try to root out the evil bastards within their community but the elders stop them from doing so to the point that one is banned from his local mosque & now has to travel 5+ miles to worship instead of across the road ...FACT

Followers of Islam are causing death & destruction across the world ...FACT

I'm a tolerant person who has simply reached his limit with the few murdering scum within the Islamic religion, I don't know what the solution is but feel one needs finding soon & really don't care if anyone likes that opinion or not :-0)

 

[Davey Bee]

It's unlikely you will stop :-0)

We are not taught to dislike Muslims, we are however observant enough to see we have a religion that wants to kill Brits and that is not media speculation or brainwashing as you would imply.

Interesting you mention Sikhism, I do not see many Sikhs going to be trained to kill us so the fault is that particular religion, Islam. I have to say in my lifetime I have never heard a Sikh say you must do as I say because of my religion. The same cannot be said about Islam and if a Christian tried it, they would be in court

I think Davey whilst you accuse others of being narrow minded you whilst being on the other side, are as equally narrow minded

The simple fact is whilst some proclaim Islam as a peaceful religion there are far too many events and countries that would suggest otherwise as uncomfortable as that is for you to accept.

Could you be kind enough to point out in what I wrote, the narrow minded statement that I made. Or is it more a case of you need to accuse me of that to cover your own views. I'll repost below so that you can read it again.

 

[Davey Bee]

As Andy has said, it's a shame we don't look for the good from each religion, rather than concentrate on the few bad interpretations.

Personally if I was going to aline to any, it would be Sikhism, from the little that I know of it, they are the only religion that has respect and tolerance for other religions, as part of their doctrine.

At the moment, we're taught to fear and dislike Muslims, and generally, there is a significant minority, that are not able to work out, that this is what governments do, through the media, when they want to divert our attention.
If you ask most that are negative towards Muslims what is their personal bad experience, with a Muslim, I'll bet the best they could offer, was that they got ripped off by a taxi driver (or the like), FFS that's what some taxi drivers do. But we choose to put a religious slant to it, as if the persons religion is why they are behaving badly.
DK, you work in a prison, they put bad people in prisons, therefore by default you will find a lot of bad Muslims there, along with a lot of bad Christians, Jews, Sikhs, should I go on?

There you go Noobie, knock yourself out.

 

[noobie]

Personally if I was going to aline to any, it would be Sikhism, from the little that I know of it, they are the only religion that has respect and tolerance for other religions, as part of their doctrine.

I agreed with this stating that Islam is a very intolerant religion not only to those who are not muslim but also those who do not share islams views

At the moment, we're taught to fear and dislike Muslims,

I disagreed, no one taught me about, 7/7, Charlie Ebdo or even Tunisia, I saw what happened as I pointed out we are not sheep but can see with our own eyes. I hold to that not all muslims are suicide bombers but all suicide bombers have been muslim. You seem to have become Islams pr man in here and like so many Imans , saying this is not the real muslims is just trying to paper over the cracks

If you ask most that are negative towards Muslims what is their personal bad experience, with a Muslim, I'll bet the best they could offer, was that they got ripped off by a taxi driver (or the like), FFS that's what some taxi drivers do. But we choose to put a religious slant to it, as if the persons religion is why they are behaving badly.

I'm sure you never met Hitler but have a negative opinion of him..and it's a bit racist of you to assume all taxi drivers are muslim is it not?

There is brainwashing going on here and two fold, you clearly have been as you refuse to accept the physical actions of what has gone on and try to brainwash everyone it never happened and the other, whilst trying to say everyone is entitled to appoint of view following Charlie Ebdo, what you really mean is your view.

Social justice warriors suffer from the same delusional disease or perhaps you are one?

 

[Barrie]

Noobie, you missed an important Islamic atrocity. Lee Rigby.

 

[noobie]

I did Barrie and my apologies

I think what this highlights is some's constant three monkey approach of it's not Islam, it's not Islam, it's not Islam, is exactly the same approach that gave us Rotherham, Oxford and Rochdale. Even more so given those Muslim communities knew it was going on.

We should not blame every Muslim for what is going on, but we do have a right to ask why is it so often the Muslim community and Islam at the centre of it?

 

[derek kelly]

DK, you work in a prison, they put bad people in prisons, therefore by default you will find a lot of bad Muslims there, along with a lot of bad Christians, Jews, Sikhs, should I go on?

In 35 years I think I've locked up maybe three sikhs.
Lost count of RC vicars.
Several Buddhists but some may have converted since being locked up.
The worst attitudes come from the Chaplaincy, including the Imam.

 

[Cougar377]

Apparently there were about 180,000 people who claimed their religion as "Jedi" on the last census. If you're thinking of converting:

http://www.jedichurch.org/

I'm guessing that if the Jedi ever turn to terrorism then asthmatics, anyone wearing a lot of face paint, clones and those who are armed with more than one lightsabre are in for a seriously shit time.

There is also a Heavy Metal religion and there are more devotees listed on the last national census than Scientologists.

YEAH DUDE..! UP YOURS CRUISE......

It's not known whether the Heavy Metal religion has a terrorist arm. Rest assured that you'll hear them before you see them.....