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MAN on the PAN
At last a balanced and impartial news report http://www.glossynews.com/artman/publish/g20-riots-murder-plot-1590.shtml
Bring back the days of the SPG, then you knew who was beating you up.
You will have to excuse my ignorance Trig....................but
I thought SPG was that hamster from the young ones!:dunno:
The post-mortem found that he died of abdominal haemorraging (sp?)
My opinion is that the investigation needs to turn from battery to manslaughter. Again, I point out that none of the other police did anything when they saw a man attacked in front of them and killed by another policeman; they just carried on walking.
RH
There is a possibility that he killed the guy, perhaps? I'd agree that 'appears' to be more than necessary. Err.........necessary for what, exactly? He wasn't doing anything to provoke any form of attack.He appeared to use more force than was necessary to move the man on.
Please tell me ANYTHING that would have justified what he did. Anything. Anything at all.It would be interesting to see the footage for the minutes or moments BEFORE the one shown.
Quite right- it'd be a better world if people didn't photograph police killing protesters (allegedly, potentially, etc).Why would someone just take mobile phone footage of the man?? .............why photograph him??
Please suggest how he could NOT be in the wrong. I'd suggest there's no 'if' about it.If the copper was in the wrong...
No, he deserves to be treated as a member of society sworn & paid to uphold the law & prevent acts like this. He has additional rights, ergo he has additional responsibilites.He deserves to be dealt with as any other member of society who has done wrong.
And the Met has a history of trying to prevent them investigating police killings (please ask me to back that statement up)The IPPC are not governed by the police and (as said) are independent....
No, he deserves to be treated as a member of society sworn & paid to uphold the law & prevent acts like this. He has additional rights, ergo he has additional responsibilites.
And the Met has a history of trying to prevent them investigating police killings (please ask me to back that statement up)
RH
Brian..
I'm NOT sticking up for anyone. I'm simply saying, none of us were at the scene.
Lets let the experts deal with the enquiry and not hang the bloke before all the facts are scrutinised.
As for your comment about my Family in town on a Saturday night, and Plod losing it and 'twatting' them.
If any of my children (Or Family) were in town and did get into that situation, I would be just as annoyed with THEM for getting into the situation in the first place!
If you read my entry again you will see that at no time do I 'stick up' for the police officer. In fact I say that if he has done wrong he should be punished.
What are your feeling about the other police officer who has just died from his injuries whilst trying to arrest an 'alleged' robber, was it just part of the job, or should he have fought back more as he was armed, ( Shot the bloke, Tazered him Etc??)
Just interested.
Murt.
I accept all of that...A Constable is .... A Member of the public, locally appointed, employed to uphold the law, without fear of favour, pride or prejudice, within the rules and of the land
The right to arrest people, perhaps? (In the case of two who tried to arrest me one evening, the ability to do so for no reason)He has extra responsibilities, but no extra rights.
Please suggest any justification whatsoever for his actions- I contend that no such justification is possible.if he has done wrong
Damn right- he's a bullying thug.he is no superman
That's up for debate at the momenthe is a human being
I don't hit people from behind. I presume you're the same.just like you and me
Here we agree.if it was a moment of rage it should not have happened
The justification from the Met spokesman was that this sort of thing was inevitable. Quite disappointing, really.if it was planned, he must justify his actions
But if we attack someone in front of large numbers of police we tend to get arrested on the spot. In his case it appears to be 'Fred's hitting protesters again (yawn)'who on here has not snapped at some point after minutes of provocation, if not hours.
Such a pity the victim can't do the same.It is he who must live with that if he did wrong.
He was trained to do that???Training or no training!
Damn decent of them. Is it because they realise how much damage they did to their credibility & public support when they blocked the IPCC last time?But this time they will be going out of their way to help the IPCC
A whitewash, so to speak?so that they come out cleaner than clean!
Like shutting a stable door?A giant hand washing exercise will be taking place right now.
They either support the guy or wash their hands of him- they can't really do both. Are you saying they're doing the first but should do the second?I'm not saying that the Police should 'protect' officers, just support them when things go wrong (In any way).
Or they could just agree to obey the same set of laws they're paid to uphold. Just a thought.I would not be surprised if most of the Met TSG put in a request to be taken off the group.
Hit from behind? The sign of a real tough guy.a prisoner has been belligerent ............the prisoner has been given a helping hand ie encouraged to move more quickly in much the same way as the officer was moving that guy along.
Maybe? MAYBE?he was being encouraged [maybe too vigorously]
Yes- so pissed off I'd assault someone from behind, leading to their death. Or maybe not.once the demonstration was over then the police have hours of paperwork to complete, wouldn't you be a bit pissed off if you had that to look forward to and someone was slow timing in front of you?
Plausible is not the same as acceptable.I am just supplying a plausible explanation.
He probably thought they were too law-abiding to assault him. He probably thought he wasn't doing enough to justify his death.if he did have a medical condition then he should have had more sense than to antagonise a group of Police officers
Pushed, not hitHit from behind? The sign of a real tough guy.
Yes maybe, it's not for me to determine how hard he was pushedhave you ever seen footballers diving in the penalty area? they make it look like they've been battered with a sledge hammer when they weren't even touched?Maybe? MAYBE?.
If a prisoner is slow timing & therefore holding up the prison regime we have the right to move them along by giving them a firm push in the back or shoulders, I would imagine it is much the same for the PoliceYes- so pissed off I'd assault someone from behind, leading to their death. Or maybe not..
That Officer & many like him have quite possibly done the same thing several times without harming anyonePlausible is not the same as acceptable
He probably thought they were too law-abiding to assault him. He probably thought he wasn't doing enough to justify his death.
So that makes it ok to knock him to the ground from behind?Pushed, not hit
I can help there- he was pushed hard enough that the medical examiner identified it as the primary cause of death.it's not for me to determine how hard he was pushed
This one looked like the kidney area to me. btw- this guy wasn't a prisoner.we have the right to move them along by giving them a firm push in the back or shoulders
I'm not debating his other bullying, just the one where the victim died.That Officer & many like him have quite possibly done the same thing several times without harming anyone
Which qualifies for being knocked down?He was possibly goading the Police
It doesn't matter- anything earlier should have been dealt with earlier, unless you think revenge is a dish acceptable served cold.none of us know what led up to the event
If true, this still doesn't justify the attack.a possibility is that he was told .......but did the reverse
If you watch the video, you'll notice he wasn't moved along, he was knocked to the ground; this would have prevented him from moving along (as would his death shortly afterwards)& so was moved along by the Officer.
Absolutely right- I contend that the thug in question should stand trial based on the evidence of the video.without the facts I am not going to say that anybody is guilty