Nitron Shock

[Jaws]

So three blow outs I personally know of are bollox then..

How many have popped I do not know of, given that I have sod all to do with any other marque than the Bird ?????

You say and think whatever you like, suggesting three blowouts is insignificant and discounting the FACT with the word bollox is, quite frankly not terribly helpful to any one

 

[the_sad_punk]

What your suggesting John is that because of three failures you know of nitron are shit. Well in that case ohlins are rubbish as ive had two fail personally, thats on bikes ive owned John, not know of.
You see i dont think many owners of swedens finest boucy bits would agree with that. What they would do is say shit happens and have it repaired. But by your yardstick theyre verboten lol, sure all shocks are shit then.
Have any of your rebuilt shocks ever failed John, im sure some must have?
Its just this is the kinda shit that can really hurt a small compay, heresay that grows legs and becomes an 'accepted wisdom' and we do know some of those are very wrong indeed.
Now if on the other hand nitron repair Gromits unit and it takes another dump, or they cannot understand why it failed then id be concerned but thats not what i know of them.

Incidentially my tuppence worth is on is the seal on the bottom of the shock body (arrowed)

having backed off or its associated o ring was bad or badly seated. In Gromits pic you can see where the o ring swelled out and blew its wad of oil. Probably as simple as that, nothing mystical...
Ps; i hope this was helpful.

 

[Pugwash]

Are the failed Ohlins you have had on regular road going machines, or something track based? It's just that I don't go cheap on things that stand between me and possible death. I have the normal original shock on my '98 Bird and it's still intact.
It was just a failed o-ring that killed some NASA crew once.

 

[Jaws]

What your suggesting John is that because of three failures you know of nitron are shit.

Nope.. I am not suggesting anything at all

I am merely reporting facts..

You on the other hand are trying really hard to poo poo the whole idea that a Nitron shock is anything but perfect


As to your question...

Easy that is..
Hands up any and all who have had a rebuilt shock from me have a catastrophic failure ...


Lets see how many folk step up then shall we ????

And remember, I personally know all the folk who have had it done and believe me, they would soon be both on here letting folk know AND ripping me a new arse if it had happened

But deflecting from the original thread will not reduce its value to people.

I am not prepared to enter in to any discussion as to what Nitron might, should, will do as that would involve guesswork again

Put simply the same thing has happened to two shocks that I sold some time ago.. It has happened again now.


What I would like to see /read / hear is a statement from Nitron to the effect that a fault has been detected and the reason for the fault has been addressed and rectified, thereby preventing a repetition

If my previous experience is anything to go by I suspect that will not happen.

 

[the_sad_punk]

Are the failed Ohlins you have had on regular road going machines, or something track based? It's just that I don't go cheap on things that stand between me and possible death. I have the normal original shock on my '98 Bird and it's still intact.
It was just a failed o-ring that killed some NASA crew once.

Hondas choice of oem shock was the result of a tender to multiple third party suspension suppliers, your shock was the lowest cost option which won the contract.
Its spec'd unadjustable, was not made to be rebuilt, it doesnt last and corrodes easily, its a throw away item. Be under no allusions on most oem jap suspension of the day, and re the BB the bean counters held the purse strings and the money was not spent on suspension.

 

[Jaws]

Oh dear..
So all the units that we have rebuilt built for folk over the past lord knows how many years and are still out there with very respectable mileages on them are anomalies then ?

 

[the_sad_punk]

You on the other hand are trying really hard to poo poo the whole idea that a Nitron shock is anything but perfect

With respect I disagree.
John in post 50 i said
"Ive highlighted problems with Ohlins, Maxton, Ricor and Hagon in the past on my bikes when they were due it."
If i had this or any other problem with the nitron shock in my bb i would update this very thread for feedback purposes as i did over on the capo forum where i trialled the ricor shock for them and it failed.
For me, when the emperor is naked he is indeed balls naked mate.
Tell me more about the two other failures? There appears to be no mention of this on the forum, whys that?

We are now at the nit pick stage it seems John. Please re read my postings i did state emphatically that it would be better if this didnt happen and that it couldave been dangerous.
Also, i said not only should it be repaired gratis but the unit be upgraded to race spec for the considerable hassle involved to Gromit.
Im interested in keeping an eye on how nitron handle/rectify/explain themselves regarding this, and this might sway decisions on any future purchases based on the outcome.

PS; i dont doubt the effectivness of your re build oem units but some will fail, no shock or any component is beyond reproach.
To the uninitiated it could appear than its you who are poo poo'ing a cost effective aftermarket alternative to your rebuilt oe shocks. Personally i dont think thats your game i have respect for your input and run some of your products on my bike and intend buying more shortly but it could appear that way to some.

 

[Jaws]

far from it.. In fact I wish to goodness they do sort out the problem(s)

They are still the best priced VFM option for an aftermarket unit out there..

I think perhaps we shall have to leave it here at least until Gromit and Nitron have got this matter resolved

 

[Tinytim]

Great thread this. :bow:

 

[Saffie]

Great thread this. :bow:

Definitely a good read!

 

[Cougar377]

In the next couple of months I'm planning to purchase a rear shock for my Bird. Cost is a factor for sure, but unexpected death isn't...;-0))

I'll be watching this thread with interest..... p0pc0rn41

 

[SimonC]

Ere, now that this threads back on track ( Wolfie*lumpy sh1tehppns) how about a poll xm:xm:xm:-0)) of what replacement shocks have been fitted and how reliable/happy peeps have found them !

Original
Jaws reworked
Ohlins
Wilbers
Pensk'e'
Nitron
Maxton
etc..?

 

[Jaws]

No you daft git.. it is NOTHING like a poll

THIS is a Pole

 

[Gromit]

No you daft git.. it is NOTHING like a poll

THIS is a Pole

Cuppa tea/laptop interface!!!! 8rfl@

(that's one new MacBook you owe me John) ;-0))

 

[Gromit]

From past experience, I think if I was spending premium money on an aftermarket shock I'd go for a Maxton. Several years ago they re-built the forks on my old Daytona 900 (ol'barge that it was) and built me their basic rear shock for it. Not cheap, but the results were fabulous, and there was always someone on the end of the phone one could chat to about set-up etc. I daren't even think what their shock would cost for the 'Bird now.

I'm not going to blow sunshine up Nitron's proverbial - at the end of the day their shock went belly-up on me - but I'm always willing to give products a second chance, and the way the firm's dealing with the issue at the moment I have no real reason to complain.

 

[Rick448]

I've been very happy with Penskke shocks on my last 2 bikes. I would certainly buy a Nitron if i were to replace my current shock, or when i get another bike. The Nitron has transformed my brothers 916 after replacing his knackered WP shock on that. I guess at the end of the day it is down to personal choice and available cash.

 

[SimonC]

No you daft git.. it is NOTHING like a poll

THIS is a Pole

g0551p
John aren't they your glasses?
:xm

 

[Gromit]

Well, all is now sorted - respec' to Nitron's customer service, and having had a good chat with Mark at Nitron yesterday, they've found what caused the issue. Apparently the Blackbird puts quite high demands on its shock ie a small movement of the rear wheel causes a large amount of shock travel (I'm sure there's a technical term for this!) and the constant hammering had caused mine to come loose over time. At around 11000 miles it just cried enough.

Normally, the shock's damping unit's seal at it base only needs a primary torque setting when everything's tightened up, but they're now doing a secondary setting (after the shock is put on the rig and tested all is ok) which should get rid of this potential issue.

The shock will be back with me today and I'll be back on the road tomorrow. @tu*

 

[Pugwash]

Sounds like a polite way of saying you're fat. h1d1ng2 So the Bird pivot is different to normal bikes?

 

[Saffie]

The leverage ratio of the rising rate linkage on the bird isn't much different ot any other bike with a similar set up though. Something doesn't quite add up with that part.

Glad you mentioned that and also they think they have resolved the problem by adding hopefully...and also with a explanation like that the bird is bla bla did they not test their product on the bird then seeing that they selling it for the bird?

Still hoping deep down that they come out and say:

This is why it failed.
This is what we have done to stop it failing.
This is why we have not done anything about it before now.
I know of bikes thats much harder on the rear shock than the bird a zzr1100 for one so not too happy about the explanation given.