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[Squag1]

Serious accident in tunnel in Limerick.
Dread to think if an e-car went on fire.
Fatal to even breath that smoke.

I think I posted a link before.
It's a major health issue to dispose of e-car after fire.

 

[Pow-Lo]

I was thinking more solar power.

The weight of those things, we'd all need to drive Hummers! Aside from that, here in Wales we'd only be driving two weeks a year and the Jockos would maybe get about half an hour a year. Sarf East of England be ok with about three months a year

 

[andyBeaker]

Self-charging i.e. hybrids use more fuel when the engine is used to power the electric motor rather than when just powering the combustion engine. Kind of defeats the object.

I don’t really understand how hybrids work. ‘For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction’ supports your statement. In fact it more than supports it when generation of friction, heat and lugging additional weight are added.

I had assumed that the batteries were charged by harvesting ie by converting and storing ‘free’ energy when the car is going downhill or decelerating (latter is how F1 cars work I think?), not that the combustion engine provides the power to charge the batteries?

 

[Pow-Lo]

I don’t really understand how hybrids work. ‘For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction’ supports your statement. In fact it more than supports it when generation of friction, heat and lugging additional weight are added.

I had assumed that the batteries were charged by harvesting ie by converting and storing ‘free’ energy when the car is going downhill or decelerating (latter is how F1 cars work I think?), not that the combustion engine provides the power to charge the batteries?

As a BMW owner, you’re well aware of the regeneration of power from braking and when on the over run. If memory serves, the Toyota Pious uses similar technology to charge its batteries. However, and again I stand to be corrected, the PHEVs can be charged either by plugging them in, as the name suggests, or by using the petrol or diesel engine. A car that is self-charging purely from energy regeneration is not realistically workable. Think about it; if the battery is flat to begin with, the car would need to be pushed to a reasonable speed only for the driver to generate enough power to start the motor, which would last all of three seconds.

 

[Squag1]

Would that be the Pope's new car

 

[Cougar377]

One other thing that bothers me about electric cars.... who decides on the cost of electricity when using the network of public charging points..?

I can see that being privatised in no time, with the same feeding frenzy when the utility companies were turned over to privatisation.

 

[andyBeaker]

One other thing that bothers me about electric cars.... who decides on the cost of electricity when using the network of public charging points..?

I can see that being privatised in no time, with the same feeding frenzy when the utility companies were turned over to privatisation.

And as if by magic….

Electric car charging prices 'must be fair' say MPs

Consumers should not have to pay excessive prices to use public car charging, MPs say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Cougar377]

And as if by magic….

Electric car charging prices 'must be fair' say MPs

Consumers should not have to pay excessive prices to use public car charging, MPs say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Doesn't say much. "MP's are concerned....." ...yeah, yeah.

We heard similar before the privatisation of the utilities and the rail companies and look where we are now with those....
Reamed on a regular basis with above inflation price hikes because shareholders are more important than customers. The only thing MP's are concerned about is missing out on a potential little earner when the newly formed electricity charging point provider companies are created.

 

[andyBeaker]

Doesn't say much. "MP's are concerned....." ...yeah, yeah.

We heard similar before the privatisation of the utilities and the rail companies and look where we are now with those....
Reamed on a regular basis with above inflation price hikes because shareholders are more important than customers. The only thing MP's are concerned about is missing out on a potential little earner when the newly formed electricity charging point provider companies are created.

It’s a free market, one of the prices of a capitalist system.

The article does highlight a core issue…while everyone can see the need for infrastructure as ever the cost of building it needs to be considered and the consumer wants a cheap product . Was exactly the same with broadband; in both real and relative terms it is a lot cheaper now than it was when first launched. My first contract for a painfully slow dial up service (with Freeserve, remember them, the market leader…it didn’t end well…..) was £29.99 a month in about 1995.

I do like the idea of new builds requiring charging points, that makes a lot of sense.

As an aside, I can see a market for charging points on houses that would be available to all…insert credit card here………..hmmm,…..room on the driveway, chap living in a flat down the road wants to charge his car but doesn’t have a charging point….come and park on my driveway and plug it in, I’ll make a few Bob on the charge, you pay for the electricity and for anything over a certain time spent on my driveway (four hours?)…..everyone’s a winner. Hmmmmm….

Maybe not as daft as it initially sounds. Wonder if my son can raise say £100m to get it moving…..

 

[Duck n Dive]

My thoughts are the supporting infrastructure simply won't be ready or capable in the timescale.

It'll start with the inability to actually have the generating capacity.

 

[Cougar377]

It’s a free market, one of the prices of a capitalist system.

The article does highlight a core issue…while everyone can see the need for infrastructure as ever the cost of building it needs to be considered and the consumer wants a cheap product . Was exactly the same with broadband; in both real and relative terms it is a lot cheaper now than it was when first launched. My first contract for a painfully slow dial up service (with Freeserve, remember them, the market leader…it didn’t end well…..) was £29.99 a month in about 1995.

I do like the idea of new builds requiring charging points, that makes a lot of sense.

As an aside, I can see a market for charging points on houses that would be available to all…insert credit card here………..hmmm,…..room on the driveway, chap living in a flat down the road wants to charge his car but doesn’t have a charging point….come and park on my driveway and plug it in, I’ll make a few Bob on the charge, you pay for the electricity and for anything over a certain time spent on my driveway (four hours?)…..everyone’s a winner. Hmmmmm….

Maybe not as daft as it initially sounds. Wonder if my son can raise say £100m to get it moving…..

What's more important at this point, capitalism, the "economics" of the free market, shareholder dividends, profit over quality of service....or the issues that are of more immediate concern......climate change, saving the planet, etc...? In this case, if you want the public to buy into the whole "save the planet" thing then the uptake of electric vehicles has to be quick, which means cheap from day one.

I'd argue that this is too important to be left to profiteering venture capitalists, etc. You'll say, "where's the money going to come from then..?", I say that Covid has shown that the government is more than capable of wasting billions it hasn't got, so why not "pay" for this..? We're going to be up to our ears in debt for the next 20 years+, so why not make it a worthwhile debt for the sake of the future generations..?

 

[andyBeaker]

What's more important at this point, capitalism, the "economics" of the free market, shareholder dividends, profit over quality of service....or the issues that are of more immediate concern......climate change, saving the planet, etc...? In this case, if you want the public to buy into the whole "save the planet" thing then the uptake of electric vehicles has to be quick, which means cheap from day one.

I'd argue that this is too important to be left to profiteering venture capitalists, etc. You'll say, "where's the money going to come from then..?", I say that Covid has shown that the government is more than capable of wasting billions it hasn't got, so why not "pay" for this..? We're going to be up to our ears in debt for the next 20 years+, so why not make it a worthwhile debt for the sake of the future generations..?

I agree …other than ‘wasting billions on Covid-19’!

chatting to my son this morning it appears a certain well known venture capital house is putting together a scheme to use old buildings such as bus stations as mass charging ‘garages’. £150m in the pot for this, won’t even scratch the surface of what’s needed

 

[Pow-Lo]

As an aside, I can see a market for charging points on houses that would be available to all…insert credit card here………..hmmm,…..room on the driveway, chap living in a flat down the road wants to charge his car but doesn’t have a charging point….come and park on my driveway and plug it in, I’ll make a few Bob on the charge, you pay for the electricity and for anything over a certain time spent on my driveway (four hours?)…..everyone’s a winner. Hmmmmm….

Maybe not as daft as it initially sounds. Wonder if my son can raise say £100m to get it moving…..

It's all well and good until yer man needs to move his car but can't because someone else is blocking his drive charging their car.

 

[Minkey]

I saw on the tv, somewhere they are doing swap able battery packs, you drive into a garage and it automatically changes your flat battery for a charged one, cant remember where it was

 

[Cougar377]

I saw on the tv, somewhere they are doing swap able battery packs, you drive into a garage and it automatically changes your flat battery for a charged one, cant remember where it was

Most garages do that. Pricey, though. Cheaper to do it yourself......or buy a charger.

 

[andyBeaker]

It's all well and good until yer man needs to move his car but can't because someone else is blocking his drive charging their car.

Read the post properly numbnuts….

 

[Pow-Lo]

Read the post properly numbnuts….

I did read it proper, cock cheddar. Whilst yer man might be charged for blocking my drive for two hours, that's of little use to me if I need to be some place quickly.

 

[andyBeaker]

I did read it proper, cock cheddar. Whilst yer man might be charged for blocking my drive for two hours, that's of little use to me if I need to be some place quickly.

Only a dumbass would do it on a single driveway if access is needed. Does everything need to be explained in minutiae to those at the bottom of the food chain?

 

[Pow-Lo]

Only a dumbass would do it on a single driveway if access is needed. Does everything need to be explained in minutiae to those at the bottom of the food chain?

If those who were under the misguided impression that they are at the top of the food chain set things out clearly, there would be no need for us peasants to keep correcting them all the time.

 

[andyBeaker]

If those who were under the misguided impression that they are at the top of the food chain set things out clearly, there would be no need for us peasants to keep correcting them all the time.

I think the fact that you appear to have a single driveway and mine is an ‘in and out’ driveway ends any discussion about food chain.

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