It is with regret that I do this, but..

[DLN1965]

83% have voted for not banning him.

I think John may regret having so many options to vote for as the results can be interpreted in many ways.

Numbers can prove anything - 73% of the population agree with this statement, the 52% don't. The rest don't know.

No wonder the banking system is up the swanny !!!!
You cant add up Andy B !

Only 39% have voted for not banning him
61% have voted for a ban (temp or permanent)
12% Say he should remain a member 16% cant be arsed either way (so would you say that would equal 72% dont want him??)

 

[Howard]

I seem to recall a few months back Daisy claiming to belong to a couple of other forums where other members' views were commensurate with his. I'd love to know what forums those are!

I think you may find that Davey Bee is on UKGSER............and has made NO posts.... :dunno:

 

[andyBeaker]

No wonder the banking system is up the swanny !!!!
You cant add up Andy B !

Only 39% have voted for not banning him
61% have voted for a ban (temp or permanent)
12% Say he should remain a member 16% cant be arsed either way (so would you say that would equal 72% dont want him??)

As I said, you can prove anything with numbers. You Are not wrong. But neither am I.

A temporary ban is not a permanent ban and is fudging it anyway. IMHO.

 

[Davey Bee]

I'll be back this evening to pick up my things 8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@

 

[Saffie]

Scotty if you read noobie's post above that sums up my feelings on the matter in a far better way than I ever could, maybe we should agree to disagree & leave it at that @tu*

Slim having run several forums, IRC chatrooms and even guilds on the internet I know what you are saying, BUT and this is where I do not agree at all with what is happening here. BIRD does not have any rules in place, I have asked in previous posts for someone to point me at it, I suggested we implement rules, etc.

I know the rule of thumb is use your common sense, but on biking forums it tends to be a bit difficult as the bikers are a rowdy lot!

Now for us to ban a member, twat or not for breaking rules that doesnt exists....I have issues with that!

I have been on these forums and sometimes I have read posts from the more local guys that made me cringe, but hey ho everyone entitled to their off day. We all rant and bitch and generally vent on this forum.

So here we have from what I have gathered as I still have no idea what race Davey is(as simply I do not care about race) that from what I have gathered has a minority complex and tries to blame us for that...ok annoying and hopefully he will rethink his ways and maybe this whole episode will make the admins rethink the policies on this forum.

Are we gonna start banning the guys with short man syndrome next?

Like said I am not happy about this whole event at all as this is just stupid, we all grown ups and we all have the ignore function or you can do what I do dont read posts from people that you dont like(my ban lists is empty as I like seeing how others think)

So ScottyUK is spot on with this, he didnt break any rules.

 

[Davey Bee]

I think you may find that Davey Bee is on UKGSER............and has made NO posts.... :dunno:

Not only there but a fully paid up member. (That should tell you something) Ive posted but you'll find that in general, when antiislamic threads/posts are made there is a wealth of other opinions that are posted therefore maintaining a balance, which doesn't happen here, therefore no need to try and inject the opposite view. Also you'll find that it's a very interesting BIKE site. If you look around you'll find me on a number of motorcycle sites. It does help that I own a GS as well. Still prefer the Blackbird, but I find the GS more rounded, much like the 2 sites. 8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@

 

[sr71caspar]

Not only there but a fully paid up member. (That should tell you something)

Yes. It tells me a lot.

 

[noobie]

and this is where I do not agree at all with what is happening here. BIRD does not have any rules in place, I have asked in previous posts for someone to point me at it, I suggested we implement rules, etc..

Hi Saffiie

Fair point. As you've run forums before you will know that different forums moderate in different ways and most motorcycle forums tend to have fewer rules because the members whilst being probably more open in their opinions, tend to be self moderating and as such banning's or at least discussing them are an incredible rare thing.

So when you ask "where are the rules he's broken?" The reply appears to be the rules of common sense and reasonable behaviour.

You may say that is not acceptable but can I offer? Until Davey, we have never needed to have a plethora of rules. Until Davey we have had rascals come in and then leave and probably come back again:-0) but in all that time and until Davey, there has never been a need to flood bike forums in general but Bird more specific with tonnes of rules as the members have either known when they have gone too far or enough members have challenged the individual.

That has normally meant the unsavoury behaviour of the one, has been challenged by the many and this way rather than going all snowflake has worked and worked well for years

Now for us to ban a member, twat or not for breaking rules that doesnt exists....I have issues with that!..

I get that I do, but the option you seem to subscribe too is that the system that was worked for a motorcycle forum relatively well up until now, should now all change because Davey can't behave himself. We can't have the rule of the majority and common sense applying all the time for everyone then say for one individual "hey foul, where is the rules"

So here we have from what I have gathered as I still have no idea what race Davey is(as simply I do not care about race) that from what I have gathered has a minority complex and tries to blame us for that...ok annoying and hopefully he will rethink his ways and maybe this whole episode will make the admins rethink the policies on this forum...

Funny things forums, unless you as an individual tell people, most do not know anything about you unless you go to a meet possibly. So within that forums are great levellers. Unless you tell you could be male, wimmin, gay, straight, black, white, disabled, fully abled, rich poor and it goes on

It does not discriminate against you or your input, so when one person comes in and continually accuses the forum of being racist and it's members of being racists and even has the site owner say hey, put your message over but the way your doing it will get you in trouble, then the onus is completely on the individual.

One thing you can't say Saffie is that Davey did not receive loads of complaints in public against his postings, he did. He also received the opinion of the site owners advice of he's going to far scale it back or there could be issues and yet, Davey still choose not only to ignore them but escalate them.

My point is after all this waffle h1d1ng2 Until Davey, how we worked things out mostly worked and I would hate this site to now become laden with super sillious and unnecessary rules brought about not because the forum needed them but more one member couldn't control himself and it is Davey's actions that have brought this situation about and again he could have stopped it at any time if he chose too but he chose to escalate rather than de-escalate.

For me, as I've said before, this is an incredibly rare thing in Bird and it should be viewed as such but such is the strength of the community that as I post, over a hundred members have voted, this again highlights the strength of feeling over Davey's behaviour.

At this moment of those 101 voters 65 want him banned, suspended or his posts monitored with another 9 having him on their ignore list.

That shows I feel Davey's current behaviour is unacceptable to most members. Whatever the vote is I will respect it as that is how the site runs

I will end this rather long post, again sorry. The site is not at fault here, Davey is and he could have changed it at any single time if he had wanted, he chose not too and that is why we are voting now.

 

[Cyclops]

Slim having run several forums, IRC chatrooms and even guilds on the internet I know what you are saying, BUT and this is where I do not agree at all with what is happening here. BIRD does not have any rules in place, I have asked in previous posts for someone to point me at it, I suggested we implement rules, etc.

I know the rule of thumb is use your common sense, but on biking forums it tends to be a bit difficult as the bikers are a rowdy lot!

Now for us to ban a member, twat or not for breaking rules that doesnt exists....I have issues with that!

I have been on these forums and sometimes I have read posts from the more local guys that made me cringe, but hey ho everyone entitled to their off day. We all rant and bitch and generally vent on this forum.

So here we have from what I have gathered as I still have no idea what race Davey is(as simply I do not care about race) that from what I have gathered has a minority complex and tries to blame us for that...ok annoying and hopefully he will rethink his ways and maybe this whole episode will make the admins rethink the policies on this forum.

Are we gonna start banning the guys with short man syndrome next?

Like said I am not happy about this whole event at all as this is just stupid, we all grown ups and we all have the ignore function or you can do what I do dont read posts from people that you dont like(my ban lists is empty as I like seeing how others think)

So ScottyUK is spot on with this, he didnt break any rules.

Watch out Ian looks like your next for the chop 8rfl@8rfl@

 

[Saffie]

Noobie all true, but you have to give him one thing. He tends to stir the nest and get people posting! Pages and pages of very entertaining reading. Maybe I am too thick skinned to let him under my skin and wanting him banned and as you mentioned most want him banned making me wonder how they survived so long in a world where you have to deal with idiots daily without having to run to mommy to make the bad man go away.

 

[derek kelly]

The point is he can waffle all day & spout bile, he can offend people & we have the option to ignore, however when he draws unwanted attention from outside sources then the site needs to be seen to be taking action.

 

[Saffie]

The point is he can waffle all day & spout bile, he can offend people & we have the option to ignore, however when he draws unwanted attention from outside sources then the site needs to be seen to be taking action.

Just what do I have to GOOGLE to see his bile? I have grinned every time I see this comment. Bird is here for blackbird support and doubt anyone would google racist extremist views or whatever to get their attention drawn, we one of thousand of forums on the web, not famous, not frequented by the royals. People that end up here are looking for info on bikes, when they join they get involved we always have 50 or so "guests" and sure if they offended them they would sign up and voice their concerns, not seen many new members have you? That also leaves forum control options, we can lock certain forums visibility to unregistered viewers if we wished to avoid offending the guests.

 

[Codbasher]

This forum is here for info amd help on bikes, plus banter, don't see much of that from DB do we. This site is not an Islamic state site.

People from all over the world can emds up here via Google, what message would you like to send out to people who may own or wish to own a blackbird. .....

 

[Saffie]

what message would you like to send out to people who may own or wish to own a blackbird. .....

As if DB speaks for us? So you walk into a pub a idiot hits his wife are you now also a wife beater because you in the same pub as one?

 

[derek kelly]

Saffie, I know for a fact that many sites are monitored 24/7 by various agencies, John has stated that Davey's posts have been flagged by Google, why only his?
Perhaps he has drawn attention to himself in the past & his internet activity is being monitored, do we really want that kind of attention?

You may find his posts amusing, I no longer do, I along with others on this site have been called a racist by him & find this offensive, yes I have the ignore facillity & hace been tempted to use it but how would it look if the only person on my ignore list is black?

I have chosen temporary ban to give him chance to reflect however judging by his more recent posts I don't believe he will ever accept that he is wrong & will wear his ban like a badge of honour.

Last message to Davey, don't judge people because they don't agree with you, don't brand people as racist because they don't want our small island flooding with illegal immigrants. Meet people & have a face to face discussion over a coffee or a beer, look into their eyes & read their souls.

I really hope any ban is temporary & that you will come back with a different attitude, it's up to you now & nobody else.

 

[sr71caspar]

As if DB speaks for us? So you walk into a pub a idiot hits his wife are you now also a wife beater because you in the same pub as one?

If Davey happens to be in the pub then yes, you are.

 

[Saffie]

Saffie, I know for a fact that many sites are monitored 24/7 by various agencies

Actually the whole of the internet is monitored for keywords, behaviour etc.. however this system is still flawed(child pornography, guns, explosives, drugs still being available easily on the internet, now the order I mentioned it is the order I feel strongest about certain subjects, this said, wonder where Daveys bullshit falls on the CSI/FBI/Governments to do list

Also John please supply more information how google flagged Daveys posts? I have been googling different terms and so far unsuccessful to elevate a idiot to a internet sensation.

Casper your comment actually managed to break through my thick skin and make me giggle @tu*

 

[noobie]

Certianly I see the point if your looking for blackbird help/advice/bikes/community and somewhere to vent/chat and just hang out then I can see the last few months of Davey's input would have probably put a lot of people off coming in and some of the existing, just not wanting to get involved. Even more so if the biggest issue on the forum is racism and not bikes.

Away from Davey's particular inability to join in without sillyness :neenaw:

I know I certainly have been banned from forums before and I suggest most of us will have at one time or another but normally it goes like this

Forum groups of regular posters tend to be small and a clique. It doesn't take long for SOME forums to get those groups to be of a similar mindset and as such it largely determines the forums direction. This isn't a particularly bad thing as it is how each forum gains their own identity.

However if you come in telling that group they are all wrong and you are constantly right then it starts to build an unease.

In SOME of these cases the poor old admins/owners/mods get shitloads of complaints MOSTLY from the regulars and feel under pressure to remove the scallywag.

Now for a forum that has relatively few rules I think John has done the decent thing and NOT restricted Davey's forum future based just on that regular groups complaints but has offered it to a vote that allows ALL members whether active, passive, occasional and regular to vote

This takes away any possible claim of a small group hounding someone out as no small group could achieve this under the poll option

The poll allows a wider spread of opinion than just the vocal few which I think has been a smart move by John and will reflect at the end the poll, a true reflective opinion on Davey's behaviour and his future? within Bird and by the community as a whole. That end decision which ever way it goes should be respected.

Anyhoo, I have spent far too much time on this one matter and as such will have extended it and for that I apologise.

 

[Codbasher]

As if DB speaks for us? So you walk into a pub a idiot hits his wife are you now also a wife beater because you in the same pub as one?

Huh???

If you walked into a pub and this sort of shit was being bandied about you would not go back to that pub, despite quite possibly that pub was the best pub in town, and at the time you walked into it, one dickhead had decided to spout off his own redical views, it would give you a lasting impression of that pub.

And that is what its like for new visitors.

 

[Saffie]

Huh???

If you walked into a pub and this sort of shit was being bandied about you would not go back to that pub, despite quite possibly that pub was the best pub in town, and at the time you walked into it, one dickhead had decided to spout off his own redical views, it would give you a lasting impression of that pub.

And that is what its like for new visitors.

Bloody hell with that attitude I would never walk into a pub as you always encounter that one person, beginning to understand the other side of the coin much more.