Indicating at roundabouts...

[americanexpress]

Calm down TC, I didn't mean to upset you. On a small roundabout I can see your point about treating it as a crossroads but on a large-ish roundabout there is no crossroads scenario, is there? Generally speaking most roundabouts are circular so wherever you join it, it's the same. Are you familiar with the awful multi lane roundabout/junction where the A120 joins the M11. Absolute nightmare with multiple lane changes required depending which exit you take. A stranger to the area trying to negotiate this abortion of a junction must think they have arrived in motoring hell. NO rules of the road apply here, just take a deep breath and go for it like the locals seem to do.
I have a rule about indicators though. Do not trust anyone's indicator, it only means the lamp/bulb is working.

Many years ago, my route to work involved negotiating a series of five roundabouts all of which could be negotiated in either direction. As you correctly state, it was a question of closing your eyes and going for it!!

 

[mikeyw64]

sometimes those "close your eyes & pray" junctions which look like they should be an accident blackspot aren't , probably because everyone is actually more alert even if they don't think they are

 

[bluebirdphil]

Same when turning right at a roundabout. Right signal given, fair enough, but why the left? (And I am taking a conventional 3 exit roundabout) You have already indicated your intent t turn right at the roundabout, so at the point where you wuld give te left hand signal, just cancel it because it avoids the issue of forgetting to cancel, and if there is a junction just beyond the roundabout, it avoids the possibility of traffic potentially pulling out on you as you clear the roundabout.signalling left gives the guy at the next roundabout entry a clear signal you're leaving and he can move off

When moving off from the kerb why do so many indicate? You aint going to move if there is traffic behind you, so who are you telling?the guy on the other side of the road about to U turn onto your side of the road?

How many of you have turned into your driveway in the early hours of the morning having been out working or whatever, and you as a force of habit indicate to turn? Who are you signaling to? The local tom cat?the lad in black on the bike riding down the pavement towards you? The guy in the car just past your drive waiting to pull out?

The bottom line is, rather than just signal because that is what you you were taught typical DSA style to do, use the advanced riders favourite word "Consider"

Gotta disagree with you saying signalling can be a waste of time as theres rarely a time when signalling wont help those around you.

 

[T.C]

Gotta disagree with you saying signalling can be a waste of time as theres rarely a time when signalling wont help those around you.

Another one who cannot be bothered to read what I have fucking written :bang:

It is not about being a waste of time. For the last time it is about givng the right signal at the right time in the right place with the correct meaning of intent.

How fucking difficult is that to understand?

 

[Centaur]

Bollox TC.

No it is not a leap in logic. I stand by what I have said.

I agree with you that it is better to indicate correctly, but that is the point I have been making, very few do give correct signals and most drivers and riders are too dam lazy to think about what they could be doing better is NOT a good habit.

So you have a friend who is a driving examiner? Whooppee doo.... If you drove to the driving test standard, then it tells me that your driving standard is at a pretty low standard in the first place as it is generally accepted that the current driving test is not fit for purpose.

I do not decry habits that are good, but giving poor and incorrect or misleading signals is not a good habit which is the problem with most motorists.

At 73 I just wanted confirmation that I was not a road hazard!

 

[Barrie]

Gotta disagree with you saying signalling can be a waste of time as theres rarely a time when signalling wont help those around you.

Don't signal your intention to move to the side and stop, just before a side road where someone is waiting to move out of. They may assume you are turning into the road they are waiting at and pull out in front of you. Classic case if incorrect use of indicators.

 

[andyBeaker]

You won't upset me.

If people can't see a different perspective or point of view then that is their problem.

You are certainly in the right forum then!

As an aside, on Bikesafe I was given the 'if you see an indicator flashing all it tells you is that the bulb is working' advice.

I can categorically say that this subsequently prevented me from being totally wiped out twice while on a motorbike. Curiously both times at the same junction with cars indicating to turn left into the road I was waiting to enter the junction from. If I had trusted the indicator, and there was not any reason not to both times, I would have pulled out in front of them. And probably been blamed for the collision, with no way of proving otherwise, particularly from the mortician's slab.

Be careful out there.

 

[mickvfr800fiw]

Be careful out there.

Good advice Andy

Nobody gives a fuck

And as TC has correctly pointed out most road users haven't got a clue what they should or shouldn't be doing

As an example of poor lane discipline and as a result of folk using the incorrect lane and racing traffic coming from the right , the BLACKCAT roundabout on the beds/Cambs border has just had a makeover .

The two lanes that are to be used for turning right have been devided from the two lanes that are used to continue straight on by a concrete devide .

This forces incompetent road user into the correct lane .

They've also installed traffic signals to stop the impatient twats from racing onto the roundabout to beat traffic coming from the right .

It works well and has reduced what was once an accident black spot to one of the safest roundabouts to use that I know of .

 

[bishbosh]

When you put lights and filter lanes on a roundabout, is it still a roundabout?

And how big of a centre lisland does it need to have not be a roundabout anymore and instead a one way system with a garden?

 

[Centaur]

Another one who cannot be bothered to read what I have fucking written :bang:

It is not about being a waste of time. For the last time it is about givng the right signal at the right time in the right place with the correct meaning of intent.

How fucking difficult is that to understand?

Have you had a course at the Davy Bee school of posting, TC. :-0) You are being overly aggressive to anyone who opposes your point of view. Many of us on here have been very successful at avoiding any accidents for many years. I don't think anyone is saying you are wrong but there are other rights too! :-0)

 

[mickvfr800fiw]

When you put lights and filter lanes on a roundabout, is it still a roundabout?

Didn't say is wasn't a roundabout .

What I said is its now much safer to use , due to the redesign and as a consequence of habitual misuse of the correct lane which cause untold incidents

I didn't say it had filter lanes

I said it had a concrete barrier deviding the turn right and straight ahead lanes , big difference

What are you like at reading and understanding road signage ?

You clearly haven't read my post correctly

 

[Murt]

Bloody hell.

I know this is the coffee shop, but it's getting like fookin I'm a Celeb in here!

We ALL have our own opinions, The word 'Consider' is a very powerful one.
................
con?sid?er
kənˈsidər/Submit
verb
think carefully about (something), typically before making a decision.
"each application is considered on its merits"
synonyms: think about, contemplate, reflect on, examine, review; More
think about and be drawn toward (a course of action).
................

It doesn't mean you MUST....

Now then.
What do you think about the new Yam MT10?


Murt

 

[Barrie]

Bloody hell.

I know this is the coffee shop, but it's getting like fookin I'm a Celeb in here!

We ALL have our own opinions, The word 'Consider' is a very powerful one.
................
con?sid?er
kənˈsidər/Submit
verb
think carefully about (something), typically before making a decision.
"each application is considered on its merits"
synonyms: think about, contemplate, reflect on, examine, review; More
think about and be drawn toward (a course of action).
................

It doesn't mean you MUST....

Now then.
What do you think about the new Yam MT10?


Murt

Does it have indicators?

 

[Murt]

YES!
Yes it has indicators...

( And breathe)........ ;-0))


Now, I'm off to try to get the next bit on the the flamin location quiz :bang:


Murt

 

[bluebirdphil]

Another one who cannot be bothered to read what I have fucking written :bang:

It is not about being a waste of time. For the last time it is about givng the right signal at the right time in the right place with the correct meaning of intent.

How fucking difficult is that to understand?

Calm down. You made some statements I disagree with(in bold if you bothered to read them) but you dont need to get yourself upset over it.

 

[ianrobbo1]

Indicators?? I don't bother looking for people using them around Willenhall, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Wednesbury and Brown hills, no fucker there knows what they are for!!:wank: they do however insist on sitting at 10mph BELOW the 30 MPH speed limit!! :bang::bang:

 

[Centaur]

Indicators?? I don't bother looking for people using them around Willenhall, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Wednesbury and Brown hills, no fucker there knows what they are for!!:wank: they do however insist on sitting at 10mph BELOW the 30 MPH speed limit!! :bang::bang:

Do they have their hazard warning lights on, Ian? :dunno:

 

[andyBeaker]

Let's face it, everyone thinks they are a good driver/rider so discussing the subject is a bit academic in any event as we all know best.



I am just thankful that I am absolutely better than average when driving a car :-0) - but I only think that is true as a result of being on two wheels for a couple of hundred thousand miles - I think I learned what 'good observation' is.

Almost guaranteed to reverse into a lamp post now!!:whi5tl:

 

[T.C]

Have you had a course at the Davy Bee school of posting, TC. :-0) You are being overly aggressive to anyone who opposes your point of view. Many of us on here have been very successful at avoiding any accidents for many years. I don't think anyone is saying you are wrong but there are other rights too! :-0)

So it is OK for everyone else to be aggressive, but not me? gr0n:

I have no problem with people having a different viewpoint, thats what makes the world go round. What pisses me off is when they take my comments out of context because they have not or cannot be bothered to read the post properly, or make no effort to even try and understand the point I am making.

 

[Centaur]

So it is OK for everyone else to be aggressive, but not me? gr0n:

I have no problem with people having a different viewpoint, thats what makes the world go round. What pisses me off is when they take my comments out of context because they have not or cannot be bothered to read the post properly, or make no effort to even try and understand the point I am making.

Welcome to the real world, TC. Not the same as the professional world, is it?:-0)

Try explaining financial services to the average person. Great patience is needed. 8rfl@

Most peeps on here are only here for entertainment and certainly won't bother reading back posts. Perhaps if you had posted in the Help Section. :-0)