Hi all.. Newby here... HEEEELLLPPPP

[PeterT118]

Hi all.. My new Reg/Rec unit turned up today..

I'm now paraniod, I have stuck it on and the bike seems to run lovely,......but
how hot do these things run, it seemed to get hot, maybe it should get hot?:dunno:

Is there a way to test if its working ok.. I don't want to burn it out if there is another problem making it overheat!.. s0s:

 

[silverfox.xx]

Voltage reading across battery with engine running should give around 13.8/14.2 volts dc at 3,000 rpm.

Yes they get hot, even the wires from the alternator get hot.

 

[PeterT118]

Just tested it.. 13.93v@tu*

 

[Rick448]

What about the red block that sits on the starter relay melting, happen to me yesterday , sat at the side of the road with bike in bits until i got to this bit, needed a screw driver to prize the bits off the start solenoid and reconnected to get the bike going.

That was the problem with mine. A generator and reg/rec later I found it. It was totally goosed.

 

[4_4_2]

the other 1%.......

so, to recap, and since I've been a member here, in a nutshell, bird problems is order of likelihood :

Got a carb bird with an issue? = it'll be the reg/rec 99% of the time

Got an Efi bird with an issue? = it'll be the loom fix 99% of the time

Got a noisy engine? (carb or Efi) it's the CCT 99% of the time

Got a funny wobble at the front (either model) then it's that top box or rack you fitted 99% of the time.

any other faults on either model, the other 1%.

you forgot the common factor on both bikes for the other 1% Karlos
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the 18st Tw*t sat on the seat who forgot to.....(insert your answer here)

1. fill it with Petrol
2. service it
3. check the tyre pressures before having a fork/shock rebuild
4. avoid the stationary car/bike/lorry/bus in front
5. etc
6. etc
7. etc

:-0):-0)

 

[andyBeaker]

and the kill switch.......

Been there, done that:-0)

 

[PeterT118]

Next installment.....

Recieved a replacement Rec/Reg unit yesterday..

Fitted it, tested voltage at battery when running... 13.93v.. cool @tu*

ran it for ages at tickover and reving (sorry neighbours)

Went to work on it this morning.... bang... stopped half way, wouldn't go again..:xm

Got it home this afternoon (Pushed it 2 miles!!!)

Taken of rec/reg unit (no nasty smells or melted bits)

Thought i would check the stator again (just to make sure)

But couldn't start the bike, even with the rec/reg unit off? :dunno:

Surely if this is the offending item it should run as normal till the battery went flat?? :dunno:

Am I missing something here? s0s:

 

[Wolfie]

it aint the reg rec.

 

[PeterT118]

it aint the reg rec.

Er Thanks... I think??8rfl@

 

[Wolfie]

had a word with a honda dealer nr me.

He says drop the bike of to him, leave the keys there, and use the bus, far safer for you.

I reckon

1.get a manual and read it.

2.a reg rec will never stop a bike dead. it just regulates the voltage going to the battery

3.get somebody local to you to look at it, check it over.

4. stop fucking riding it until it is sorted, because if it dies whilst on a roundabout so will you, if its dies at 60mph and locks up the rear wheel so will you.

5. get it sorted before you ride it because all you are doing is putting the bike and its bits at greater risk of breaking down and do more damage.

6. against some thinking on here bikes are not fucking toys they are fucking dangerous pieces of machinery, they kill, they maim.

 

[PeterT118]

Are you off your High horse yet you sarcastic Bugger

I've been riding bikes for 30 years, I know they are Fucking dangerous..

If you look further down this post you will see that I thought a reg/rec would not kill the engine, just fry the battery or not charge it!!

But when I get advised that this is a common fault and then find a melted reg/rec unit plug and a burnt smelling unit,then hey Presto, problem found!!

this was replaced and it ran fine, so pardon me for thinking its fixed!!

If you have nothing useful to say, can I suggest not saying anything at all and let somebody who wants to help have a chance!!!

 

[killerhaggis]

p0pc0rn41.........

 

[Wolfie]

Are you off your High horse yet you sarcastic Bugger

I've been riding bikes for 30 years, I know they are Fucking dangerous..

If you look further down this post you will see that I thought a reg/rec would not kill the engine, just fry the battery or not charge it!!

But when I get advised that this is a common fault and then find a melted reg/rec unit plug and a burnt smelling unit,then hey Presto, problem found!!

this was replaced and it ran fine, so pardon me for thinking its fixed!!

If you have nothing useful to say, can I suggest not saying anything at all and let somebody who wants to help have a chance!!!

after 7 feckin pages the helpers have helped which if you read it i was one of them as well.

you know they are dangerous yet still continue to ride one that cuts out?

yes the reg rec was a problem but not your problem as you thought, so why ride it again?

knowing they are dangerous after 30 yrs yet still riding a bike that cuts out after you have replaced a part that you know is not the problem?

serious now please dont ride the feckin thing again until it has been sorted, and that doesnt mean change the reg rec.

your bike seems to be cutting out when it is warm.

have you checked.

the starter solenoid as suggested a few times.
all connections
all earths
the righthand switch gear
the wires under the ignition switch
that fuel is reaching the pugs
that the plugs are infact sparking when warm
the coils are working
etc etc etc


dont need a high horse either as i own 3 working bikes that i service repair and rebuild myself. and i have only been riding for 28yrs and close onto 750,000miles. Over 50 bikes owned and access to 9 different bikes anytime i wish, which range from 1925 bsa to an 06 sv thou.

bless you, carry on old bean and may your god look after you well.

 

[Wolfie]

and rectifies the voltage from AC to DC.

which as you know doesnt stop a bike.

feckin shit stirrer of a coont.

 

[PeterT118]

ok..

starter solonoid & fuse seem ok.. ie, not a melted red lump

fuses all ok

fuel system works (diaphragm/vacuum pipe)

further evidence of very hot wiring on the connectors for the stator (under the tank)

I've taken the engine cover off, but no obvious visual issues with the windings (is there a test to do on the stator with the engine not running? ie, resistance?

all connectors/earths are being checked as and when I come across them.

not got to the wiring below the ignition switch yet, or the right hand switchgear. (if the killswitch went wrong wouldn't it stop the starter motor as well?)

Any advice greatfully recieved :bow:

 

[andyBeaker]

Don't take the bait from Wolfie. He means well, just a little misguided.8rfl@

Anyway - and this is serious suggestion - as I said before if you can get the bike over to JAWS in Thetford he may cover it with his version of magic dust.

Give him a call to check first though.

PS when the electrics on my old carb started messing around there was clear evidence of overheating in the generator windings - you could see heat residue and smell 'burnt'. I am not convinced that only replacing one of reg/rec, generator and battery will totally resolve any charging problems if that is what it is. If the reg/red gave up then the generator will be in warp drive and the battery will be fried.

does seem odd that a new reg/rec seemed to have things fine and dandy for a while.

 

[andyBeaker]

On your last post you said it wouldn't start when you went back to it. Is there any sign of life at all? Dash lights?? any 'clicking? Or is it totally dead. Have you checked the voltage on the battery??

I am leaning toward the battery being knackered when the old reg/rec packed up - any views anyone (even Wolfie!)?? If so, the danger is the cycle of generator going into warp drive will knacker the reg/rec??

Others on here are more expert than me, but ?35 on a new battery might be a good investment??

 

[PeterT118]

It is a new battery, 12.6v ish
The bike turns over fine just no life in the way of firing
I'm taking my stator and rec/reg into work tomorrow see if the maintainance dept can discover any problems.
if the stator is toast then i'll get one of them (and probably another rec/reg)

 

[Wolfie]

Stator test, nothing between any of the yellow wires and earth. Between each yellow wire 0.1 to 1 ohm any different it is toast.

 

[PeterT118]

Don't take the bait from Wolfie. He means well, just a little misguided.

I realise Wolfie probably means well, he just caught me at a bit of a low ebb, and very un-melike I responded.. lol:xm

Damn you wolfie!!!