FTAO - Murt & Plods on this Forum

[ianrobbo1]

I don't doubt for a minute the majority of cops do a sterling job,!! however if at the end of the day some dozy old twonk from the planet zog gives the guilty party a couple of hours "community service" or a fine the "crims" are back on the street committing more crime within hours,!! stick the "crims" behind bars and stop "mollycoddling" them when they are there, no tv's, video games, central heating and cushy life, better in some cases than when these "criminals" are out, introduce hard labour and a proper work ethic to them and increase the amount of "PO's" so they can cope with the extra crim's, no amount of "policing" is going to stop some of these criminals if there is no deterrent!! :dunno:

 

[Allan]

Murt, Allan (and all the other Plods who are members of this site).... w;;v

Having read Richard's thread "PHOKKIN BASTARDS SMASHED MY BIKE UP" I got to thinking.....

There were a number of post in his thread (and more in other, older threads) that made/make disparaging remarks about Plods in general. Seeing as Murt et al are Plods on this forum, I wondered how they felt when reading those remarks... :dunno:

Just got me thinking is all...........

Adams original questions was - the above. Not which copper has or hasnt done what, so..
Adam, I've been a cop for 29 yrs and have seen the job change so much over these years I find it hard to believe that anyone actually gets arrested these days.



I've always come clean about my job, I'm proud to be a cop, I've always done my job to the best of my ability, I've never let anyone down, if I've said I'll do something for them I have, if I know they are wasting their time, I'll tell them so.

I served in a variety of roles over the years, beat patrol, panda driver, First response driver, traffic officer, Firearms, Underwater Search Diver, and now I have an office job. I've done the Handsworth Riots, the Miners Strikes and many other public disorder situations.



I've received loads of commendations for good police work, I've also been disciplined for letting someone off, all of which go on your personal record.



So when I hear or read that a member is slagging the police off, yes it upsets me, but at the same time I sympathise with that person because he/she has probably just had a bad experience at the hands of someone who they thought was there to help them, not punish them for a piddling mistake and whom may never come into contact with the police again. Thus we left a bad impression with that person and have probably lost their support.



But, I suspect overall that the majority of the public support the police. It is a difficult job, the odds are stacked in favour of the criminal and has been for years (blame your civil rights and defence solicitors).

Roll on next year when I retire in 2007.

Buzz.

 

[Fat Bert]

Bloody Hell~~~

Great thread Adam!

Well it is if you happen to manufacture computer keyboards!!

I've never seen so much typed before!!

Top banana :bow: :bow:

 

[Bob Pinder]

Allan

I'm sure I'm not the only one to be interested in hearing about your panda driving days :lick:

 

[Adam Rickenberg]

Hey Fudgey!

Thanks for the compliment........!
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It has been interesting to read all the replies to my original musing........ very interesting!

As a complete outsider looking in I would like to say the following:

Rob

The thieving bastids that ripped off your gear deserved your 'vigilante' justice IMHO when the cops decided to prevent you from entering their den of iniquity. I agree - the Plods that handled the matter should have used more common sense, but having said that - I can't blame them for restraining you because it would open up a can of worms for them on their personal records and possibly fuck up their careers........ Catch 22 situation perhaps??

Rhino, Allan et al

Again I sympathise with you. I agree with the statement that "we are human too and have bad days...." and that you guys do the best you can with the huge constraints placed on you by the PC brigade and the numpties in suits who 'drive' the police force....... I bet there are days when you just want to punch some wanker in a suit and tell him to get a life - and let common sense prevail.



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Fucking good thread though!! Lots of thought provoking dialogue :bow:

 

[derek kelly]

In 1987, Bev & I went with some friends to The Batley Frontier, I was drinking soft drinks as I was to drive one of our friends to the airport at 6 am, doug (our next door neighbour) bought a bottle of wine (?65) at about 11.45pm, just as he poured some wine into the glasses one of the bouncers came over and said, "right time to leave" the club was open till 2 am, we had bought tickets to see the act (village people :blush: ) so we asked why we were being asked to leave as we weren't being rowdy or annoying anyone. the bouncer got nasty saying "If you don't leave you will be removed" Bev asked him to get the manager, at this point several other bouncers came to our table and the gobby bouncer grabbed hold of Bev's hair and yanked her out of her seat, I jumped up and got him in a bear hug and dragged him backwards he let go of Bev and we both fell backwards.
I looked up to see a fist heading towards my face so I turned my head and the fist hit the floor. I got up to see Bev being thumped in the stomach as she was being carried out of the club, by the time I had got to the door Bev had been thrown to the floor and my friends were stood round trying to reason with the bouncers, I left the club and asked a taxi driver (Asian) to contact the police he refused so I ran into a burger bar and phoned from there, when I got back to where Bev & my friends were the Bouncers grabbed me and threw me to the ground and began kicking me,
a police van came into the carpark, and stopped about six inches from my head. the bouncers then ran into the club.
I spoke to the sergeant in charge and told him I wanted the names of all the bouncers he said "well go in and ask them" I asked him to go in with me to see that there would be no trouble, when inside I picked out the one that had assaulted Bev and got his name also the owner who had joined in.
when we got outside I asked the sergeant his name he asked why I wanted to know I told him "because you saw what was happening when you arrived" his answer "I didn't see anything" so I asked him "you mean you didn't see the bouncers laying into me when I was on the floor?" he said "no I didn't see anything"
he said to me my advice is you all go home, we were in my friends Car but I was the driver so we got into the car and went home Bev & I then went to Batley hospital and had our injuries photographed.
The next day I went to Batley police station to lodge a complaint, a week later a police inspector turned up at our house to investigate and he told us that the sergeant had put in his report that we were all drunk and being abusive, so I asked "if I was drunk why did the sergeant let me drive home?
the inspector said "Maybe he thought it was the best way of dealing with the situation" I was gobsmacked the inspector said that in the sergeants report he had checked us for injuries and there were no marks or cuts so I showed him the photo's from the hospital (which were time & date stamped)
I asked the Inspector "what's the next step now" he said "my advice to you is to just drop it as nothing will come of it and you could be bound over.

This is just one of several dealings I have had with the Police that have severely dented any confidence I ever had in them resolving situations.

I have several friends who are police officers and they are really great people and I know that the Police have a difficult job to do, and I know that there are some good, honest, decent police officers, and they get sick of dealing with drunken nightclubbers every weekend, but they should still treat every case as an individual event and not stereotype.

 

[Adam Rickenberg]

Derek...

Did the owner of the club give you a reason as to why he instructed his bouncers to eject you from the club?

Seems to me you weren't doing anything untoward to warrant that type of action............... :dunno:

Rhino, Allan et al:

Any comments on Slaphead's misfortune??

 

[Fat Bert]

Wholly unacceptable Adam!!

.......Rhino, Allan et al

Again I sympathise with you. I agree with the statement that "we are human too and have bad days...." ......

Can't accept that statement at all........

When you work in the "public domain" you have to be "nice" to them as a matter of courtesy if nothing else

I have to deal with people all day.....even when you know they are wankers, you put on a brave face and smile............. cos they might spend some money with you and that puts food on the table!!

 

[Adam Rickenberg]

Can't accept that statement at all........

When you work in the "public domain" you have to be "nice" to them as a matter of courtesy if nothing else

I have to deal with people all day.....even when you know they are wankers, you put on a brave face and smile............. cos they might spend some money with you and that puts food on the table!!

Point taken - and I agree with it 100%.......

There are so many sides to this - hence my "catch22" comment.......

 

[derek kelly]

It wasn't the owners instruction to eject us, after the incident other people have told us that the bouncers apparently have a sweepstake as to which table to pick on, I have also been informed and I cannot verify this one way or another so as to the validity I am unsure but it is supposedly common knowledge that the owner (Derek Smith) has been slipping back handers to the Police since the early 1970's.

 

[Allan]

Derek.

We have all heard horror stories such as these time and time again, but, and here's the but, you never get to hear of all the good work the police have done. Saved a life, resuced someone from a good kicking, locked up a wife batterer, so on and so on, but why not?

People only post bad things about police, never good, so thats why you see a lot of these types of posts amd no good ones.

I accept what you say and the fault lies with the club and bouncers, put yourself in old bills place. He sudenly pulls up outside a club to see some bouncers having a go at a bloke, why?.

Old bill mostly likely comes the conclusion theres been something going off in the club and you've been chucked out. He see's this time after time, drunken yobby gobshites out for a good night at someone elses expense who ends up gettinga good hiding. Of course he's not going to do anything about it, he's going to see a dozen more like this that night.

However, it dosent make it right, the way you were treated and you should have insited on taking it further, asked to see the footage of the clubs CCTV for that night etc.

You know the best person to ask if ever you find yourself in this situation again?, a copper, because he/she knows all the angles and what you need to do and say to get your complaint off the ground.

I've given advice to many on this forum, who hopefully have found it good advice and will do again if asked.

Roll on retirement - Buzz

 

[derek kelly]

Allan, I have the utmost respect for the job that the police do, as a Prison officer we experience the same prejudices, I was even spat at after a family funeral by friend of my wifes auntie.
Like the police you only hear about the prison service when something detrimental happens. take the suicide of Harold shipman, the press had a field day with that one yet they never comment on the amount of suicides that we prevent often on a daily basis.

I know that there are excellent dedicated Police officers, but just like in the Prison Service there are absolute tossers who should have a guilty conscience when collecting their wages, but in the Prison service they usually get promoted.

I have spoken about my own bad experiences with the police, however there was one time that I was thankfull to them and that was several years ago when Bev went to Lapwater hall (between Leeds & Bradford) for a works christmas do, she rung me up at 2am to pick her up as she was left stranded so I got in the car the roads were clear so I put my foot down I was doing about 70 in a built up area, next thing I saw the blue lights in my rear view mirror so I pulled over, I was told to sit in the back of the police car, even though the officers were friendly and courteous I fully expected and deserved to be charged, however they asked me if I knew the speed limit on this road I said 30mph they then asked what speed I thought I was doing I said around 70mph, they then asked why I was going at that speed at this time of night, when I explained they just said ok go pick your wife up but drive carefully and within the speed limit as you'll be no use to her if you have an accident. I often think how lucky I was but also how stupid I was for doing that speed, and I got off very lightly with just a producer.

 

[Fat Bert]

DK~~~?

....drive carefully and withing the speed limit ......

WITHING?

Is this the same as CONGITATE?


:} :} :}

 

[derek kelly]

WITHING?

Is this the same as CONGITATE?


:} :} :}

Touche, post duly edited :}


Thanks for that bertie, see even us perfect beings have the odd faux pas :blush:























































Bastard

 

[Fat Bert]

DK

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ianrobbo1]

LOL@Bert!!! :}

 

[Adam Rickenberg]

Fudgey & Slobbo!

Stop hijacking threads........! c7u8 :}

 

[Steamy]

I worked as a bouncer for 14 years, in Central London, and had my fair share of Police attention, some good and some bad. In the early days I was a bit of a hothead and used my size to be as intimidating as possible. It was on a cold winter's night when I was talking to one of our local plod and he said that his best mate got axed to death for just being a bit big and gobby (like I was!) It was a bit of a wake up call and I decide to use the old adage - "Be nice until it's time not to be nice". From then on that Policeman's advice stuck with me and my scrapes got fewer and further between. I know there are some arseholes who work the doors and do it for the chance of a fight and it saddens me that there are people like that. However, the Police, in my experience, have always taken an enlightened view and looked at all sides. When it is plainly obvious you have a drunken fuckwit then he's going to spend a night on a thin mattress, whereas if it's an overzealous bouncer then he's going to get even more shit as he should know better. These days there are licences and training for the majority of areas that have doormen and the thugs are being weeded out - thank God.

On a lighter note, I was riding my VFR through North London, along a dual carriageway with a slow car in the outside lane. I did the typical undertake and then saw the blue lights in my mirror. I duly pulled over straight away, got off the bike and took off my helmet (always a good start I think) The policeman was riding a new BMW and my VFR had just seen my attentions in the spray booth, thus looking a tad trick. He started off giving me a bollocking then starting admiring my bike. I asked him if he fancied a ride on it and he said yes. He shot off down the road on my bike leaving me standing there with a fully loaded Police BMW - complete with keys. Ten minutes later he was back with a big grin on his face, "Nice", was all he said then winked at me and I buggered off quickly. It added to my respect for the Police.

The Police have a hard enough job, as do the Prison Officers, there's targets and quotas and all sorts of pointless crap they have to deal with instead of actually doing their proper jobs of Policing/Securing Prisoners! I don't envy them for one minute and take my hat off to anybody who has the balls to put themself through that on a daily basis. As has been posted, you never hear on the news "No Prisoners Escaped Today!"

 

[bitontheside]

Derek.

We have all heard horror stories such as these time and time again, but, and here's the but, you never get to hear of all the good work the police have done. Saved a life, resuced someone from a good kicking, locked up a wife batterer, so on and so on, but why not?

People only post bad things about police, never good, so thats why you see a lot of these types of posts amd no good ones.

I accept what you say and the fault lies with the club and bouncers, put yourself in old bills place. He sudenly pulls up outside a club to see some bouncers having a go at a bloke, why?.

Old bill mostly likely comes the conclusion theres been something going off in the club and you've been chucked out. He see's this time after time, drunken yobby gobshites out for a good night at someone elses expense who ends up gettinga good hiding. Of course he's not going to do anything about it, he's going to see a dozen more like this that night.

However, it dosent make it right, the way you were treated and you should have insited on taking it further, asked to see the footage of the clubs CCTV for that night etc.

You know the best person to ask if ever you find yourself in this situation again?, a copper, because he/she knows all the angles and what you need to do and say to get your complaint off the ground.

I've given advice to many on this forum, who hopefully have found it good advice and will do again if asked.

Roll on retirement - Buzz

Allan - yeah you are probably right so let me redress the balance. I was riding through Nantwich before it became bypassed. I was on the way to Stone and Derby and knew it was double white lines for a fair bit. I flew past 2 cars crossing the white lines for about 10 metres. A little while later I could see headlights flashing behind me and slowed up a bit. Yeah you guessed - one of the 2 cars I flew past was an unmarked! F***! Copper got out and gave me a right bollocking. He then stunned me by saying " right, P*** off and don't do it again" Thank you Officer! :bow:

 

[Rods]

Allan - yeah you are probably right so let me redress the balance. I was riding through Nantwich before it became bypassed. I was on the way to Stone and Derby and knew it was double white lines for a fair bit. I flew past 2 cars crossing the white lines for about 10 metres. A little while later I could see headlights flashing behind me and slowed up a bit. Yeah you guessed - one of the 2 cars I flew past was an unmarked! F***! Copper got out and gave me a right bollocking. He then stunned me by saying " right, P*** off and don't do it again" Thank you Officer! :bow:

probably didn't want the hassle of the paperwork.