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biker baz

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good job done

hi john 57

keep up the the good work mate; i drive a class 1 hgv for a living and most of the police i come across are ok; rules on the road are there for a reason. and when i take to the road on my blackbird to teach cbt;s on day off ; i make it very clear to the people i teach dont break the rules of the highway code and look after yourself.
 
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Rods

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i often come into contact with coppers either through the local iam group (we have several police members) or through my own job. i am happy to say that i have never had a problem with any of them - in fact i think, especially considering how difficult their job must be, they have a great sense of humour, and try to do the best they can under the huge constraints they work with. we all have bad days at work - but i bet if as part of you job you had to take the kind of abuse that some police have to put up with, a few of us would have more bad days than we do already. i don't envy them.
 

Jaws

Corporal CockUp
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It is rare to find a beat pc who is a shite.. The nature of the job is that people like that simply do not fit in.

I honestly believe that the vast majority of people consider the guys with all the scrambled egg on their hats to be the BIG problem, not the average joe on the streets.

And yes, I thinkk we can indeed plant at least 90% of all the blame on the PC brigade.. They have tied everyone in knots and in a mountain of paper work..

I dunno if its just an age thing but the police I deal with nowadays are generally much more 'human' than they were 20 years ago..

Yes, as I said, there are exceptions ( we have a woman PC in this town that really REALLY should not be in the force.. terrible attitude, no idea how to speak to anyone from kids to oap's ) But for me I think the poor sods out in the public eye deserve medals..

( Perhaps if folk realised that things like GATSOs and the like are not liked by the police just as much as the rest of us, things may improve ? )
 

Murt

Letch
I joined the Police in 1974 as a Cadet. I'm still a bobby ( YES, I know its the BTP Bert, but don't rub it in...).
I treat people as they treat me and always have.
I used to LOVE my job. I'm afraid to say, I don't now, it is just a way of paying the mortgage.

I know that ALL types of work or groups of people have tossers, evil barstewards, and people who would sell a child's arse to get on in the job they do.
And I bet ALL of you know someone you have worked with at one time who fits that bill. Well, some of them are in the police as well.

The Police are PEOPLE, the all make mistakes, have bad days, and ( apart from me) fook up occasionally.
Unfortunately, at one time, the tossers got sorted out, put into none frontline roles, or hounded out into other less 'upsetting' jobs.

Now they are protected by rules and regs, promoted into unsuitable jobs, or given 'projects' to do. ( only last week I had to fill in a form ( duty commitment) asking me if I was aware of any anti Gay, lesbian, or transe-gender comments that were being made 'within the workplace', or anything that was not classed as equal opportunities.. no problem you may think.. but if I put NO, and someone at the same station puts YES... as a supervisor I can be disciplined for neglect of duty. This has previously been pointed out to me personally by Email.)

At the moment our 'bosses' are pushing for us to deal with low level disorder, ( drunk and fighting, minor assaults on staff, minor disorder etc).. not a problem you may think.. but HUNDREDS of thefts are being reported every day ( just think how much moneys worth is in a suitcase when you go on your hols). but because its not a targetted offence this month, we dont get time to investigate the thefts, only the gang of kids shouting at each other on the way home from school. Moral is low, the rules are overwhelming, and huge numbers of officers are looking for other jobs ( yes the money is good once you get past three years but if you consider the shift changes, rosters that can be changed, and conduct rules that are not based on proof of misconduct, but on the likelyhood of you being ABLE to have done the misconduct!) its crap.

This is a true story, but you may not think so.. Last year, I was officially warned about my conduct, this was because I put an entry on our internal police talk group that I ENJOYED RIDING THE BLACKBIRD. They stated that this could be classed as racist, and could lead to the matter being passed to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. So I placed a long and exact entry on the site explaining what a blackbird was, colours, engine size etc... I was then told off cos I did it at a TIME not in my meal break. ( luckily with my service, I played them at their own game and it was soon dropped).

We also have to fill in a weekly sheet stating how many stop checks, arrests ( and some don't count), reports, and statements we have done. If you don't come up to scratch, a monthly payment you get ( if you are entitled to it) gets withdrawn.

Thats why some police are after the easy option of fixed penalty tickets instead of looking after the old granny crossing the road,or standing on a corner for a short time having a chat to the local people... they don't get a tick in the correct box.

As was said above by Rhino, its not ( usually) the person... It's the rules of bosses, Government, CPS etc, and its going to get worse.

Dont blame all police, just some of them.

Sob story over.

Murt.
 

Fat Bert

Registered User
Murt~~~~

Fair to say though..................










































That's the longest "bite" I think I've ever read!
 

Murt

Letch
Spose it is a bite really.

But after a crap day it actually let me kill two birds with one stone.

Still, back to the real world now..



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Feck off
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Murt.
 

Bob Pinder

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I think............

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Luckily they didn't spot me so I managed to get away :blush:
 

Fat Bert

Registered User
Not surprising Pinder

Bob Pinder said:
I spotted the style police on Saturday night
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Luckily they didn't spot me so I managed to get away :blush:



I've seen more dress style on IanRobbo

[mainly snakeskin!!! :} :} :} ]
 
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chuffmeister

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Not just the old bill thats being ruined by its hierarchy ( see the north wales boss has now banned smoking even in car parks of stations, and anyone who smokes from applying for certain jobs...WTF ) but HM Forces too are off down the wrong road.

They will soon be renamed Her majestys Pink and Fluffy rather than Forces.


Only reason I am sticking with it is the pension,
 

Jono

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Adam Rickenberg said:
Murt, Allan (and all the other Plods who are members of this site).... w;;v

Having read Richard's thread "PHOKKIN BASTARDS SMASHED MY BIKE UP" I got to thinking.....

There were a number of post in his thread (and more in other, older threads) that made/make disparaging remarks about Plods in general. Seeing as Murt et al are Plods on this forum, I wondered how they felt when reading those remarks... :dunno:

Just got me thinking is all...........

Water off a ducks back springs to mind. w;;v
 
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Wurley

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Work with the police on a regular basis, and they really do get from all sides. From the top all the way down to the shite on the street.

I'm surprised that we are allowed to have police, what with the humans rights bill and pc brigade et all. You can imagine it "It's against my human rights to be stopped from mugging, burglary, murder blah, blah whinge, to feed my drug habit, drink addiction, kiddie fiddling scum bag ways" :mad:

Wurley :neenaw:
 
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R2B2

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Adam Rickenberg said:
There were a number of post in his thread (and more in other, older threads) that made/make disparaging remarks about Plods in general.
That could be me Adam! 'Tis true, I've never hidden my contempt for the Police on this forum?? and won't in the future, but, I would add, with very good reason. I can also confirm that it doesn't refer to any individuals, other than the few completely brain dead imbeciles I've had the misfortune to have to endure when I've needed help.

Having said that however, (in the other thread) Rhino's casual dismissal of my '2' cases somehow being too few to seemingly not mean anything is indicative of how out of touch and 'other planet' (referring to my later comment) some of them can be. It is precisely this kind of lack of understanding and response that fuels the poor perception a lot of the public have of the Police, but it shouldn't need me to explain that to him?.. if it does, then maybe he's in the wrong job.

When I was the victim of thieving scumbags I didn't hesitate to involve the Police, it didn't occur to me to do anything else?. but it was a mistake. Far from recovering my stolen property it directly brought about the final loss of it altogether!! I was realistic enough to realise that after several weeks there was, for whatever reason, little chance of the Police recovering my property. So I put my ear to the ground and found it myself, fairly easily. Standing on a box on the top of a mate's van to peer over a wall confirmed this, so while I stood watch he went off to call the Police but they couldn't come for some time. Nevertheless, I waited until some familiar faces in a passing car observed me who were very interested in my presence there. For my own safety I left but watched from around the corner while they hurriedly moved my stuff to another address - a house. I followed them and my pal redirected the Police. When they finally arrived they listened to what had happened and knocked on the door to confront them. The thieving scumbags denied all knowledge and the Police told me there was nothing they could do!! WTF??? I followed my own property to that address but the empty heads told me there was not enough to go on!! WTF?? I said I'd get it out myself and made for the door, but the empty heads restrained ME?? I was within yards of MY property but was prevented from proving it. I was told to leave, while the thieves laughed from the window - and my property was never seen again.

HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THAT???

What ever happened to common sense here? I defy ANYBODY to explain to me that that was the right and considered action to take, or rather NOT take. The Police couldn't/wouldn't find this stuff? so I did?.. and handed them a gift theft case on a plate, but they were more interested in warning me than nailing these thieving scumbags. That sickened me in the same way as I was sickened for Richard when they done his bike, but that is something those two plods will probably never understand. But still, they know best eh?

The above briefs just one of my unfortunate encounters. Please excuse me if I have difficulty in understanding when they say don't take the law into your own hands!! It just highlights how out of touch some of the dopey Police really are. Most of them haven't got a fucking scooby what it's like to be thieved from and yet they tell you this FFS. Until they address this realism issue they'll never get the respect they bleat about not having. Idiots like the two above should also remember when short changing victims of crime that these are the same victims that contribute to their salaries ? victims who do not have a choice in that no matter how bad the service is. What on earth happens to coppers when they go for their training? ? common sense seems to vanish with a lot of them. To all reading this I say how many times have you heard this said? That is why I'll say again whenever they are ready to join the rest of us on this planet, please get on with it! They will be welcome, but excuse me for putting the respect thing on the back boiler until then and sorting things myself. In what the Police perceive to be 'trivial' cases like this it's the only way to get anything done. Can anybody explain what one SHOULD do when the Police won't act?? And please don't quote all this drivelling fucking shite about being arrested and lowering yourself to their level etc ffs, they are just excuses. What is the real alternative????.????? mmmm, thought so.

To the Police that gripe about the flak, sort the root issues and perhaps it'll go away. But you should know that??.

By Mr fucking angry. This will be the only post I make on this thread.

:mad: :bang: :mad: :bang:
 

RHINO

Answering to nobody
Rob, as i have said before, you have had 2 negative incidents.
Do you not think i've had stuff nicked?? I've lost 3 cars, a moto cross bike, a push bike AND been done with 3 points, been arrested twice when i wasn't even in the area at the time of the alleged offences.............

What about the good jobs they have done for you, surely they've done something usefull? Like patrolling the streets at night while your tucked up in bed, stopped anarchy reigning in the country, kept the fuel tankers rolling during the strike so you can fuel the car and bike..

Don't give me that crap about paying my salary either.......I too pay tax and local authority council tax so infact i'm paying to go to work!

I graft my balls off all fookin week ME ME ME ME THE PERSON INSIDE THE UNIFORM just to be met by negative thinking narrow minded attitudes on here by so called mature intelligent folk.
Not much rattles me these days but people who slag us off for the life threatening job we do really gets my back up.
Do you think we like working under the conditions we do?? NO
I do the job because i'm a piece in a huge jigsaw puzzle which is trying to make this country a better / safer place for us all.
Your type of one man crusade to do justice actually causes more work for us generally thus causing yet more reduced man hours on the street.

Please get some insight into what we can and can't do before judging us all on your 'Common Sense' meter.
Some are thick as shit but it shouldn't tarnish the good ones.
 
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growler04

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just to say that when peopel slag off police. I all wayes say "who you going to call if some low life does something to your famiely or property not ghost busters but the police" but most disslike speed cams / guns and when peopel get away with no tax insurance ,and you guys and girls say nothing we can do realy. we know its not your fault ,i bet you feel like this:bang: to many do gooders has nackerd it for us all poor jhony syndrome drugs/beer is just an escuse and not all pearents are to blame. as thay now the law beeter than mostyour job no thanks would not have the pasiants

from growler04
 

Fat Bert

Registered User
Sausage Rob~~~~

Victor Meldrew said:
That could be me Adam! 'Tis true, I've never hidden my contempt for the Police on this forum?? and won't in the future, but, I would add, with very good reason. I can also confirm that it doesn't refer to any individuals, other than the few completely brain dead imbeciles I've had the misfortune to have to endure when I've needed help.

Having said that however, (in the other thread) Rhino's casual dismissal of my '2' cases somehow being too few to seemingly not mean anything is indicative of how out of touch and 'other planet' (referring to my later comment) some of them can be. It is precisely this kind of lack of understanding and response that fuels the poor perception a lot of the public have of the Police, but it shouldn't need me to explain that to him?.. if it does, then maybe he's in the wrong job.

When I was the victim of thieving scumbags I didn't hesitate to involve the Police, it didn't occur to me to do anything else?. but it was a mistake. Far from recovering my stolen property it directly brought about the final loss of it altogether!! I was realistic enough to realise that after several weeks there was, for whatever reason, little chance of the Police recovering my property. So I put my ear to the ground and found it myself, fairly easily. Standing on a box on the top of a mate's van to peer over a wall confirmed this, so while I stood watch he went off to call the Police but they couldn't come for some time. Nevertheless, I waited until some familiar faces in a passing car observed me who were very interested in my presence there. For my own safety I left but watched from around the corner while they hurriedly moved my stuff to another address - a house. I followed them and my pal redirected the Police. When they finally arrived they listened to what had happened and knocked on the door to confront them. The thieving scumbags denied all knowledge and the Police told me there was nothing they could do!! WTF??? I followed my own property to that address but the empty heads told me there was not enough to go on!! WTF?? I said I'd get it out myself and made for the door, but the empty heads restrained ME?? I was within yards of MY property but was prevented from proving it. I was told to leave, while the thieves laughed from the window - and my property was never seen again.

HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THAT???

What ever happened to common sense here? I defy ANYBODY to explain to me that that was the right and considered action to take, or rather NOT take. The Police couldn't/wouldn't find this stuff? so I did?.. and handed them a gift theft case on a plate, but they were more interested in warning me than nailing these thieving scumbags. That sickened me in the same way as I was sickened for Richard when they done his bike, but that is something those two plods will probably never understand. But still, they know best eh?

The above briefs just one of my unfortunate encounters. Please excuse me if I have difficulty in understanding when they say don't take the law into your own hands!! It just highlights how out of touch some of the dopey Police really are. Most of them haven't got a fucking scooby what it's like to be thieved from and yet they tell you this FFS. Until they address this realism issue they'll never get the respect they bleat about not having. Idiots like the two above should also remember when short changing victims of crime that these are the same victims that contribute to their salaries ? victims who do not have a choice in that no matter how bad the service is. What on earth happens to coppers when they go for their training? ? common sense seems to vanish with a lot of them. To all reading this I say how many times have you heard this said? That is why I'll say again whenever they are ready to join the rest of us on this planet, please get on with it! They will be welcome, but excuse me for putting the respect thing on the back boiler until then and sorting things myself. In what the Police perceive to be 'trivial' cases like this it's the only way to get anything done. Can anybody explain what one SHOULD do when the Police won't act?? And please don't quote all this drivelling fucking shite about being arrested and lowering yourself to their level etc ffs, they are just excuses. What is the real alternative????.????? mmmm, thought so.

To the Police that gripe about the flak, sort the root issues and perhaps it'll go away. But you should know that??.

By Mr fucking angry. This will be the only post I make on this thread.

:mad: :bang: :mad: :bang:

Sorry Rob what did you say?

and your point is? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
 
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roXXo

Guest
You know, us normal, law abiding citizens don't know the half of it.

The amount of undercover work and behind the scenes work that goes on by the Police is amazing.
The world has changed since you knew and respected your local Bobby and all he had to deal with was a few japes by teenagers and the odd bicycle theft.

The Police cannot do right for doing wrong.
We want them to sort out all the ills of society, do more and yet when they do the cry goes up of "we are living in a police state".

The dealings that I have had with the police on serious matters, they have responded and acted in the way that I expected and the correct result was obtained.
As with any job that involves decisions, priorities have to be made and while your purse may have been stolen or your garden shed broken into, resources are not ulimited.

It's a question of balance. Sometimes it works out and othertimes it doesn't.
 

derek kelly

The Deli lama
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I have had some bad dealings with the police, one actually fell asleep on our settee whilst Bev was crying her eyes out explaining how three of our ponies had been stolen, another time we had a copper knocking at the door, my youngest daughter Emma (who was 13 at the time) answered the door to be told "your dog has just attacked another dog it will have to be put down" Bev who had been working nights got out of bed and informed the copper that our dog had not left the side of the bed (as he wouldn't go anywhere without Bev) he argued that he had had a complaint from a neighbour who had identified our dog. by this time I had come out of my garage and spoke to the copper, I asked him which neighbour had complained and he actually told me Mr Berry, I said "You mean Mr Berry that gets so pissed he rings you up from the pub complaining that he has been assaulted and when you arrive he asks to be taken home three streets away?" "Ah, er, Yes, that's him" we actually complained to Ossett police about this coppers attitude but nothing happened.
 

RHINO

Answering to nobody
derek kelly said:
I have had some bad dealings with the police, one actually fell asleep on our settee whilst Bev was crying her eyes out explaining how three of our ponies had been stolen, another time we had a copper knocking at the door, my youngest daughter Emma (who was 13 at the time) answered the door to be told "your dog has just attacked another dog it will have to be put down" Bev who had been working nights got out of bed and informed the copper that our dog had not left the side of the bed (as he wouldn't go anywhere without Bev) he argued that he had had a complaint from a neighbour who had identified our dog. by this time I had come out of my garage and spoke to the copper, I asked him which neighbour had complained and he actually told me Mr Berry, I said "You mean Mr Berry that gets so pissed he rings you up from the pub complaining that he has been assaulted and when you arrive he asks to be taken home three streets away?" "Ah, er, Yes, that's him" we actually complained to Ossett police about this coppers attitude but nothing happened.


As i've already said DK, we all have a tale of woe.
Some people watch too much TV, to get a result you need PROOF!

1) Offence is committed
2) Offence is reported
3) Officer is allocated by a call taker when they feel a PC is free to deal.
4) PC deals when they are free
5) Statements are taken
6) Law is disected and definitions are checked to find out what offence IF ANY have been committed.
7) Supervision are made aware
8) Offender/s located & arrested or summonsed
9) Interview in company of solicitor
10) Attend a VIPER i.d
11) Wait 3 days for witness to come and view the i.d parade
12) Go to CPS with proof so far
CPS say there's not enough evidence for todays courts THE END!

13) CPS say there IS enough evidence and a court date is set
14) Offender fails to turn up
15) A warrant is served for offenders arrest
16) Offender arrested and attends court
17) Offender pleads guilty to stealing Rob's TV
18) Court adjourns for tea and scones
19) Verdict of guilty accepted and sentence passed

Community service for 100hrs and ?200 compensation @ ?2pw
Offender cannot afford the fine so goes out and burgles another house to get money to pay Rob.
This is a vicious circle partly created by the lenient sentences given, partly down to government guidlines, partly down to the public NOT coming forward as witnesses (because they don't want to get involved, partly down to the public for buying bent gear from scumbags thus fueling their habbit...
Each day in GMP we get on average of 3800 jobs come in and i worked out that there are 140 active front line street bobbies on each shift across Greater Manchester, another few hundred are running other departments such as anti terror, firearms,CID, child protection, public protection unit, VIPER, RPU blah blah blah...
It all comes down to priority incidents. If anyone out there can change how we work then please feel free to try.
 
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